Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[vezokpiraka]

Hey! Mastin! SMITE Mafia.

Oh, you mean the game where the entirety of the third page of my iso is calling town town and calling 2/3 of the scum scum? Where I had vast reservations about the serial killer? Where I developed a groundbreaking plan which was one night short of outing the third scum? (Because if I had lived with my Esp guilty and Drixx didn't shoot, bam, I out everything and powerlynch him.)

That SMITE mafia?

Yeah, you're not gonna be able to use that game to shame me.

I told you then, I'll say it again. I'll accept the shortcomings there. (That being, I defended Drixx longer than I should have for the sake of the plan, mainly. And that I didn't push my scumreads harder and defend my townreads on TSO, Heartless, and such more.) I will not let you walk over me.

Shhhh. It's all over.

And it didn't happen like you imagined. You called the third party scum absolutely town and defended the last scum with your life. Let's not talk about it.

[mastin2]

Hey! Mastin! SMITE Mafia. Shut the

FUCK

up.
~Sonic

I'd also like to point out that (1) Sonic is contradicting himself at best here by saying this (in that it means he's read my posts when he earlier claimed he hadn't, when not reading my posts is a nice convenient excuse to dismiss my valid points), or at worst being strategic in what he chooses to read (in that when I make a strong point he'll post "Not reading Mastin's posts" and whenever I make a weaker point that's easier to counter, suddenly, he ~magically~ has read them), and (2) is saying I'm town here whereas he's been previously posting as if I were scum.

[mastin2]

Can you rephrase that?

My point was that I've been trying to gather allies, but some players I just can't do so with. You are one of them, because you're certainly not helping with Sonic Boom and it sounds like you're probably not willing to help with Flubber, either.

(Speaking of which: if my plan is followed, my target would be Ankamius for a bundleload of reasons not particularly hard to guess.)

[mastin2]

@Wicked: Your reads are all over the place. Why do you have sonic only as a leaning town when both me and ZZZX said he's town? And why don't you have any scum reads?
This feels like a bad readlist.

Yep! Similar thing is how Mac's a strong townread yet I can only see that coming from me thanks to Mac's recent inactivity, yet I am still in the unsorted pile.

Right now, he's my best guess for fourth scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Ebwop: Actually, if ika

is

scum, (and that's what it's looking like), then I could be wrong about Tere.

Tere, what do you think about ika's lie that he had no access to the game when hiplop was at L-1?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Vote: Jaqen Hghar

You're frustrating me right now.

1. Lying Cat's right, your issues with the plan are complete balderdash. You say town gains no info, but what about the deaths of players that town suspects? The WIFOM point is also complete garbage - if scum don't kill Player A in the chain on a particular night, then that's perfectly okay because the next cop in the chain is literally investigating Player A that same night. It's a good plan, and you're being ignorant.

2. This is twice now that you've ignored my questions. I'm not going to ask a third time, I'm just going to assume you can't answer them.

Lying Cat is rolling out an easy scum win. That this one is so dense he can't see that isn't a man's problem. With scum killing every investigator it is eliminating EVERY conftown we could hope to get with the investigations. Period.

As to this one's questions... How so are they not rhetorical? One is asking whether something that is happening the previous day and is already resolving with a flip to prove a man was wrong on one player (whoop d doo!) and the other asking whether it's in the town's best interest to be lynching another town. Each of the answers to those are self evident which is explicitly rhetorical.

[Lying Cat]

Lying Cat, how does Anti like bus drivers?

Searching his posts says <10 results with nothing either way.

Redirector isn't much longer. And afair he's never used either in any of his games.

If there is a bus driver there is significantly more town power than we've seen so far.

[Jaqen Hghar]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

[Tere]

Ebwop: Actually, if ika

is

scum, (and that's what it's looking like), then I could be wrong about Tere.

Tere, what do you think about ika's lie that he had no access to the game when hiplop was at L-1?

I need to go look at it again. I didn't look at activity on the site in that time frame when I said he was probably working on nights and not available (not game alignment related data that made me believe that so I think it's correct). I was just going on external stuff.

I will have another look but honestly to me if you take that out he is still reading trying town ika rather than AFKing fucksack ika - I think the thing clouding that is I think based on reasons he is genuinely very busy.

I don't mind you keeping it in mind but I wouldn't support a wagon right now. Basically I understand why you are frustrated with him, ika needs to cut back on his games and play the ones he is in, but based on current gameplay I still don't believe he is obvscum and wouldn't support a counter wagon. I think he is heading to lynchbait right now.

I wouldn't object to him doing something though.

[Tere]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

What the fuck is this and what is this doing in the thread? :/

[Wickedestjr]

@Wicked: Your reads are all over the place. Why do you have sonic only as a leaning town when both me and ZZZX said he's town? And why don't you have any scum reads?

This feels like a bad readlist.

I rarely take others' reads into account when I develop my own. I have a lot more confidence in myself than I do in others. Especially so, considering I'm the only confirmed townie from my perspective. I'm town reading Sonic, why does it matter if my read isn't as strong as your's? Seriously, give me a break, you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

And I do have scum reads. In particular, I have made it clear that I think hiplop and ika are scum. I have everyone in "Still sorting" because I'm still trying to develop a 'top four'.

[ika]

i like how wcked accuses me of lying without actualy backign it up.

like seriosouly do you have proof that i was aware? i dont lie about my rl.

if i did happen to be around druing the timeframe of l-1 i was not aware of it.

@tere, i would say its more of disintrest in gamestates, i have overbooked on games in the past and was able to spam the shit out of them. right now most games im in feel boring and lack a gernal activy or intrest level

[Wickedestjr]

Similar thing is how Mac's a strong townread yet I can only see that coming from me thanks to Mac's recent inactivity, yet I am still in the unsorted pile.

At first, I

was

town reading Mac because I thought I knew why you were town reading him (it felt similar to an aspect of Organic's setup). But about a week after I said that, I realized that you weren't town reading Mac for the reason that I thought you were. It wasn't worth mentioning that realization because I still town read Mac.

At this point, my town read on Mac is 100% independent of you.

[Tere]

@ika

replace the fuck out of them then

Seriously, no love, asshole Tere.

If you don't feel you care about it, you shouldn't be playing it. :/

[Sonic Boom]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

VOTE: Jaquen Hghar

Skimming because my hearing got delayed. This post is very fucking bad. I would be tempted to lie but that wouldn't do any good.

@Wicked, Unless you have incontrovertible evidence ika was lying, don't ever accuse anyone of lying about access. It is very unethical and I am not evaluating that. I have had access issues and I am posting when I steal a moment. I would hate to have to go into my own issues and ika deserves the same deference regardless of his alignment.

~Titus

[Tere]

This is early day 2 out of a game that will take months with a game of the year tag, I hope a bunch of people want to play (also I <3 anti).

Get out of other people's way if you don't want to play.

[Tere]

That was me grumping at ika because I am a grumpy fuck.

[vezokpiraka]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

What the fuck is this? And why is in this thread?

I'm thinking scum don't have daytalk and jaqen thinks he won't survive till night. But that doesn't make sense, because he isn't one of the leading wagons.

My head hurts.

[ika]

That was me grumping at ika because I am a grumpy fuck.

Why are you grumpy?

You should also know my stance on replacing out already as well

[Tere]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

What the fuck is this? And why is in this thread?

I'm thinking scum don't have daytalk and jaqen thinks he won't survive till night. But that doesn't make sense, because he isn't one of the leading wagons.

My head hurts.

vezok get out of my brain it's uncomfortable for two in here.

[Tere]

That was me grumping at ika because I am a grumpy fuck.

Why are you grumpy?

You should also know my stance on replacing out already as well

Stances on principle when a game has months to run are just lame and antitown and if you don't have the time you should talk to Anti because I am sure / hope there's a bunch of willing replacees reading along. I'm having occasional bad mojo / overwhelming moments with this game myself but I want to believe and I am not replacing out. I am not seeing it from you right now.

[ika]

Thats cus you have been absent from the game and basicly ignoring me all day or would you say that im wrong on that?

i mean i am busy but i try to give enough time to at least read

[Wickedestjr]

Lying Cat is rolling out an easy scum win. That this one is so dense he can't see that isn't a man's problem. With scum killing every investigator it is eliminating EVERY conftown we could hope to get with the investigations. Period.

1. These players are never confirmed town, though. If scum follows the chain, then these players die the same night that they are investigated. One day they are an unconfirmed cop with a result, the next day they are dead. Never confirmed.
2. Scummy players, of cop inventor's choosing, die - meaning scum's nightkill is substituted by a second town-powered lynch.

As to this one's questions... How so are they not rhetorical? One is asking whether something that is happening the previous day and is already resolving with a flip to prove a man was wrong on one player (whoop d doo!) and the other asking whether it's in the town's best interest to be lynching another town. Each of the answers to those are self evident which is explicitly rhetorical.

I voted for Bins too! I'm not trying to prove that you're wrong (because I was wrong too), I'm not trying to teach you a lesson. I'm just trying to figure out if you honestly believe what you are posting (the purpose of this game). Bins' alignment is completely irrelevant to my questions.

First question: Have you ever seen scum-goons sacrifice themselves for a scum power role before? This is clearly referring to your past experience, NOT this game.

And no, the answers to my other questions are also not clear. You repeatedly suggested that town lynch you, but nobody ever voted you for it. Did you expect town to actually do this? Did you expect this to be in town's best interest?

I don't know why you are being so stubborn here, I'm asking three yes or no questions. If the answers are so obvious, then please enlighten me, because I'm not clear on it.

[Wickedestjr]

Basically I understand why you are frustrated with him

i like how wcked accuses me of lying without actualy backign it up.

like seriosouly do you have proof that i was aware? i dont lie about my rl.

if i did happen to be around druing the timeframe of l-1 i was not aware of it.

@Wicked, Unless you have incontrovertible evidence ika was lying, don't ever accuse anyone of lying about access. It is very unethical and I am not evaluating that. I have had access issues and I am posting when I steal a moment. I would hate to have to go into my own issues and ika deserves the same deference regardless of his alignment.

I backed up my accusation as best as I could without quoting posts from other games (I wish not to be modkilled). See the top of post 2062. And

please

don't call me unethical. I am very aware that people have real lives trumping this game - I myself have been very busy the past few weeks - I was among the small group that voiced my sympathy towards Kari's reason for inactivity. But if I have evidence for thinking the real life card is being used dishonestly, then you can't expect me to ignore that.

If ika had made just one or two posts during the time in question, then I probably wouldn't have even mentioned it.

If ika had said that he simply wasn't paying attention to this game, then I would have accepted that.

But he originally said "I was at work during that time. When I am at work I have zero access to the game." - not that he wasn't paying attention to the game, but that he didn't have access. Yet he clearly had access to other threads because he was posting elsewhere (eight posts, to be exact). So why not this one?

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: Just want to make this clear (because I hate being called unethical, when I'm not);

I would hate to have to go into my own issues and ika deserves the same deference regardless of his alignment.

I never asked ika to explain his real life to me. He doesn't need to tell me what he was doing that night. I am 100% trusting of someone, even a scum read, who tells me they were busy in real life - but not when I see that they were posting elsewhere.