Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Jaqen Hghar]

If there's no interest, then I'll happily switch to hiplop, but I think this is much better.

Right, I should talk about this.

Nacho, TSO, you absolutely CANNOT join the hiplop wagon.

He's the scum's designated mislynch for today

. Basically the only resistance is me + LC, and the wagon is there with incredible ease and speed. If you're too lazy to read my iso, if it's too much for you, then take at least that much away from me here now, please. If you join the hiplop wagon, he will get lynched, and he will flip town.

He was at L-1 yesterday, and there are people who actively chose to no lynch rather than lynch a slot with absolutely no town credibility. It is unsurprising that a wagon sprang up on him immediately. The more surprising thing is that the wagon isn't stronger.

If he's the scum designated mislynch, which members of that wagon are scum Mastin?

do you know what context is?

Yeah, a man isn't fond of entry reaction testing to slots he is fairly strongly town reading. Particularly where half a story is left out (you know, the part where your plan is sucking the worst- setting up mislynches when scam ARENT killing the known night investigation) and how that one is lying about questions being left unanswered. It is setting the trap no matter which way those new to the game are answering.

LC- are you capable of seeing past the ends of your fingertips where cause and effect come into play? Serious question, btw.

[Cerberus v666]

If there's no interest, then I'll happily switch to hiplop, but I think this is much better.

Right, I should talk about this.

Nacho, TSO, you absolutely CANNOT join the hiplop wagon.

He's the scum's designated mislynch for today

. Basically the only resistance is me + LC, and the wagon is there with incredible ease and speed. If you're too lazy to read my iso, if it's too much for you, then take at least that much away from me here now, please. If you join the hiplop wagon, he will get lynched, and he will flip town.

He was at L-1 yesterday, and there are people who actively chose to no lynch rather than lynch a slot with absolutely no town credibility. It is unsurprising that a wagon sprang up on him immediately. The more surprising thing is that the wagon isn't stronger.

If he's the scum designated mislynch, which members of that wagon are scum Mastin?

do you know what context is?

Yeah, a man isn't fond of entry reaction testing to slots he is fairly strongly town reading. Particularly where half a story is left out (you know, the part where your plan is sucking the worst-

setting up mislynches when scam ARENT killing the known night investigation

) and how that one is lying about questions being left unanswered. It is setting the trap no matter which way those new to the game are answering.

LC- are you capable of seeing past the ends of your fingertips where cause and effect come into play? Serious question, btw.

Yes, because scum will forfeit a guaranteed extra kill in favor of trying to let town mislynch for them. Anyways, we publicly announce our targets. those of us who agree with LC's plan, announce a target that goes with the plan. The inventor chooses the scummiest individual among those who chose a target they would like to see investigated, whether it is the target of LC's plan, or someone else. That's it. There's no more discussion needed, and I don't know why it keeps coming up. The plan itself is not scummy or anti-town in any of it's variations.

I still maintain the weak cop inventor could be scum though. That ruins everything in this discussion. ^^

[Sonic Boom]

oh yay. good people.

mastina is full of shit. when she calls my slot scum it is a pretty strong indicator

add that to calling another town scum yesterday and her fantastic track record of calling SKs town and you should pretty much ignore whatever she said

sheep the hiplop wagon because it is impossible to lynch and probably a scum PR

[Cerberus v666]

oh yay. good people.

mastina is full of shit. when she calls my slot scum it is a pretty strong indicator

add that to calling another town scum yesterday and her fantastic track record of calling SKs town and you should pretty much ignore whatever she said

sheep the hiplop wagon because it is impossible to lynch and probably a scum PR

I don't like the repetition of the "scum PR" talking point. You keep saying that. It's a scum PR because scum didn't bus it(assuming it is scum?) That's weak. almost inconsequential weak.

[Jaqen Hghar]

If there's no interest, then I'll happily switch to hiplop, but I think this is much better.

Right, I should talk about this.

Nacho, TSO, you absolutely CANNOT join the hiplop wagon.

He's the scum's designated mislynch for today

. Basically the only resistance is me + LC, and the wagon is there with incredible ease and speed. If you're too lazy to read my iso, if it's too much for you, then take at least that much away from me here now, please. If you join the hiplop wagon, he will get lynched, and he will flip town.

He was at L-1 yesterday, and there are people who actively chose to no lynch rather than lynch a slot with absolutely no town credibility. It is unsurprising that a wagon sprang up on him immediately. The more surprising thing is that the wagon isn't stronger.

If he's the scum designated mislynch, which members of that wagon are scum Mastin?

do you know what context is?

Yeah, a man isn't fond of entry reaction testing to slots he is fairly strongly town reading. Particularly where half a story is left out (you know, the part where your plan is sucking the worst-

setting up mislynches when scam ARENT killing the known night investigation

) and how that one is lying about questions being left unanswered. It is setting the trap no matter which way those new to the game are answering.

LC- are you capable of seeing past the ends of your fingertips where cause and effect come into play? Serious question, btw.

Yes, because scum will forfeit a guaranteed extra kill in favor of trying to let town mislynch for them. Anyways, we publicly announce our targets. those of us who agree with LC's plan, announce a target that goes with the plan. The inventor chooses the scummiest individual among those who chose a target they would like to see investigated, whether it is the target of LC's plan, or someone else. That's it. There's no more discussion needed, and I don't know why it keeps coming up. The plan itself is not scummy or anti-town in any of it's variations.

I still maintain the weak cop inventor could be scum though. That ruins everything in this discussion. ^^

Extra kill? EXTRA? The extra is coming with the mislynch the day following the night they are killing a townie outside of the known Cop target. Is this one really this short sighted? Scum are still getting exactly one NK, so explain this supposed "extra" kill scum are ignoring...

@Wicked- a man is amending his second answer. Yes, if it is meaning these blind ass town are opening their eyes to the scum they are following out of familiarity, it is most definitely in the towns best interest to mislynch a man. But only if those are truly reflecting on how mod lead they are instead of 'Garsh, that one should have been more protown. Oh well, what do we do now George?' and keep following the same George scum they currently follow.

VOTE: Sonic Boomi

[Jaqen Hghar]

And, yeah, LC's plan is naught but scum intent- whether it's why they intended or not. A man is disappointed with the stubborn obstinance of those who aren't seeing the writing directly in front of their faces b

[Cerberus v666]

I believe you were talking about scum skipping a kill in order to frame someone, correct? So the scum gave up a kill to attempt to get town to mislynch. Perhaps I misunderstood you and there was some other plan you suggested scum could utilize?

[vezokpiraka]

WTF. Hiplop wagon stagnates, but people talk about it and the next moment the sonic wagon gets stronger.

Seriously guys. Let's lynch hiplop.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I believe you were talking about scum skipping a kill in order to frame someone, correct? So the scum gave up a kill to attempt to get town to mislynch. Perhaps I misunderstood you and there was some other plan you suggested scum could utilize?

No. A man is saying scum killing someone other than the one designated for night investigation. The next day, especially since some are already raising godfather paranoia, all the WIFOM is present for scum to easy join/push a mislynch on the town they are letting live the night before. All it is taking to pull this off is scum killing 2-3 designees in a row then skipping one. After that it's simple enough to keep screwing with town with on again off again kills of the one they are knkwing is to be investigated (since Lying Cat is advocating investigating the Cop from the day before which consequently isn't directing scum to kill the target we are finding the most scummy).

A man isn't saying anything about scum no killing. That's a different strategy all together.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Or, the alternative, is Lying Cat saying to invent the Cop to the scumfuckiest players? Because that is such s wonderful idea. I'm sure town are winning hands down while scum are controlling both the night kills and the night investigations. Great plan /sarcasm

[Jaqen Hghar]

WTF. Hiplop wagon stagnates, but people talk about it and the next moment the sonic wagon gets stronger.

Seriously guys. Let's lynch hiplop.

Pretend that one is town. From that perspective, who's scum?

[vezokpiraka]

WTF. Hiplop wagon stagnates, but people talk about it and the next moment the sonic wagon gets stronger.

Seriously guys. Let's lynch hiplop.

Pretend that one is town. From that perspective, who's scum?

I don't understand what you're trying to ask me here.

[ZZZX]

Ika can wait. Vezok is right

The resistance to a hiplop wagon is unreal

vite:hiplop

This should have died YESTERDAY

[Jaqen Hghar]

WTF. Hiplop wagon stagnates, but people talk about it and the next moment the sonic wagon gets stronger.

Seriously guys. Let's lynch hiplop.

Pretend that one is town. From that perspective, who's scum?

I don't understand what you're trying to ask me here.

Who is scum if hiplop isn't?

[vezokpiraka]

WTF. Hiplop wagon stagnates, but people talk about it and the next moment the sonic wagon gets stronger.

Seriously guys. Let's lynch hiplop.

Pretend that one is town. From that perspective, who's scum?

I don't understand what you're trying to ask me here.

Who is scum if hiplop isn't?

Well, right now I don't see how hiplop isn't flipping scum, but just to humor you, I think wicked, kari, mastin and flubber are scummy with no correlation to the hiplop flip.

If hiplop flips scum you and the others who defended this wagon shoot up in my scum list.

[Wickedestjr]

@Wicked, This situation came up in another game. Ika was not around, did not hammer and was scum. It was not deadline though. He made a similar argument pre and post game that it was taking advantage of his circumstances. I disagreed then and still do, yet if he feels that way, I get why he was upset.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ce.377844/

Found the post game argument. Thanks for that, it's very relevant. Why do you still disagree?

[Wickedestjr]

This one is asking questions

Ah. Ok

Yes, I have

And yes as it is proving a man's intent and then all those decrying a man for being a fucktard are having egg in their face and you can then get rid of ZZZX and SB because they're scum

And not bothering with reading answers...

Okay, thank you for answering...

[Wickedestjr]

I still maintain the weak cop inventor could be scum though. That ruins everything in this discussion. ^^

This is certainly possible. But this isn't a huge problem provided that they live for long enough. It's still early in the game.

The extra is coming with the mislynch the day following the night they are killing a townie outside of the known Cop target.

We would be foolish to fall into this trap. If scum doesn't kill somebody in the chain, then the cop who investigates them the following night will find out their alignment. We don't have to lynch them or create WIFOM insanity.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote.

As much as he has frustrated me these past few days, I think Jaqen is town.

I (still) want to lynch hiplop today. It's obvious from today that he does not care at all about scum hunting. Which is not the attitude that a townie (even on the chopping block) should have. I generally love the "too scummy to be scum" argument that some are using to defend him, but I don't think it applies in this case.

I believe he is at L-3 right now. Not voting him until we agree on a plan. Do we want to vote on it? Or are we in (almost unanimous) agreement on Lying Cat's plan?

[Aristophanes]

90 pages to read?
Awesome.

I'll get to this for sure tomorrowish and probably just read from the start of D2.
Anything integral I should know from the first bit?

[Nachomamma8]

@Town- I feel like a lot of my posts have been ignored, I would appreciate if this one could be read carefully.

Wicked's frustration seems pretty solidly town, even still lacking context.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, TSO, you absolutely CANNOT join the hiplop wagon. He's the scum's designated mislynch for today. Basically the only resistance is me + LC, and the wagon is there with incredible ease and speed. If you're too lazy to read my iso, if it's too much for you, then take at least that much away from me here now, please. If you join the hiplop wagon, he will get lynched, and he will flip town.

I am not about reading old things this game at this current point in time. What is your case for hiplop-town?

[Nachomamma8]

I would be more likely to agree with the plan if I understood it.

So far, we have a weak cop inventor who gifts the cop to a scummy designated target who investigates whoever they want...?

[Wickedestjr]

So far, we have a weak cop inventor who gifts the cop to a scummy designated target who investigates whoever they want...?

Almost fully correct. In this plan each cop investigates the cop from the previous night, not whoever they want.

[T S O]

First four pages gives me a townread on vezok and a mild scumread on mastin. Also, a townread on Ank, but I already knew that.