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Post Post #43000 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:33 am

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hitogoroshi wrote:
zoraster wrote:uh i didn't get a champion on my main. am I toxic?

I got corki on the other.


it's for having the linked fb account and presumably it won't let you link the same fb account to more than one lol account


It let me link both, but it's possible it didn't let me get the champion from linking on both? Which would be fair.

PJ. wrote:Maybe you didn't get the pool points on your main? You seem not to play it so...

You can Def link multiple accounts to one FB.


I actually try to use it when I'm playing with friends (in a party) because it has lots of champions and the other one only has 18 champs (19 with corki!), and I like to play with different champions when I'm not being judged too harshly by my teammates.
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Post Post #43001 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:51 am

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Go to player support is my guess.
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Post Post #43002 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:30 am

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Oman wrote:Yes. Free to play. Which chases monetisation through other means like aesthetic products.

That is what literally everyone understands free to play to be and you being snarky about it just because it has the word "free" in it (which it TOTALLY IS! You could play this whole game for zero dollars if you wanted to! You choose to pay because riot are actually really fucking good at being a business that makes a product that you want for a price you're willing to pay!)

You're not a fucking revolutionary, this is FTP economics 101. Riot are actually amazing at it, and that doesn't make them bad people or an evil business or omg Rito plz. Having a snarky scoff because they've made a product that is so AWESOME that people want to spend money on it is 10/10 dumb.

Jesus fuck, man. Why even play this game if you're too fucking good for it. Just sit at home and type blogs about how silly all these companies are for having a sound business model.


No need for your pantys to get into a twist, i just always laugh when League gets called a Free to play game, not because it's not true, but because of how much everyone spends on it.
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Post Post #43003 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:48 am

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I mean people choose to spend money. It's a pretty easy game not to spend money on. You just need 16 champions to play ranked and some runes. That doesn't take THAT long to do.

There are 12 450 champs, then add 4 1350 champs and that's 10,800 IP -- easily less than what you make leveling to 30. You can easily compete in ranked with level 2 runes, which are super super cheap. Setting up two pages (AP and AD) rune pages of Level 2 runes costs about 2500 IP. So to play in ranked you need to have about 13,300 IP -- which is about what it costs to buy two recent champs. It is definitely not prohibitive. If you want level 3 runes, things are more expensive but still easily achievable.

The thing that makes people spend money (other than wanting pretty skins) is wanting to play newer champions, which is fine, but it's also totally unnecessary.

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Top: Ryze, Garen, Kayle, Poppy, Warwick
Jungle: Warwick, Nunu, Yi, Amumu
Mid: Annie, Ryze, Kayle
ADC: Ashe, Sivir
Support: Soraka, Annie

Add in 4 1350 Champs of your choice but for example: Janna, Cho'Gath, Morgana, Tristana

This is a totally playable ranked roster. ADCs have two of the very best ADCs in the game. Annie is almost a criminally underestimated mid-laner. Janna is consistently in all metas a top tier support. Morgana gives huge flexibility. Jungle gives you Nunu and Amumu which are two great junglers.
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Post Post #43004 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:50 am

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i mean
you're playing a game that you presumably enjoy
what's the rush for?
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Post Post #43005 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:03 am

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I haven't spent a cent on League, and I've been playing for I think 4 years now. *shrug*
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Post Post #43006 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:05 am

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How do you get skins?
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Post Post #43007 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:07 am

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JasonWazza wrote:because of how much everyone spends on it.

That's what Free to Play means. Free to Play, with the option for microtransactions. Otherwise we'd just call it free. Free game.

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Post Post #43008 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:29 am

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Oversoul wrote:How do you get skins?

I don't think I can remember seeing quadz use a skin ever...?
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Post Post #43009 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:30 am

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he leverages his popularity into skin gifts.
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Post Post #43010 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:40 am

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i sort of regret getting omega squad teemo
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Post Post #43011 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:41 am

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Easter bunny teemo is the only teemo
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Post Post #43012 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:41 am

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I have but have never used Super Teemo.
Also, what zor said is totally true.

...brb getting quadz a Mystery Skin
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Post Post #43013 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:43 am

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Free champ? The only champ I don't own is River Tahm; I wonder if they gave it to me.
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Post Post #43014 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:44 am

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Or is he not even out yet :S
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Post Post #43015 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:49 am

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if you have less than 10 champs un-owned, you get a mystery skin.

If you have less than ten skins AND champs, you get a ton of riot points.
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Post Post #43016 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:50 am

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quadz now owns Festive Maokai and Kingpin Twitch - annoy him to use them!
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Post Post #43017 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:00 am

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THANKS MAESTRO YOU ARE COOL

and yeah I only have skins because I have lovely generous friends / have gotten some event skins and free skins
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Post Post #43018 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:03 am

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I got Olaf. ^^
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Post Post #43019 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:14 am

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Picked up the pool party bundle and the ice party bundle. I really like this batch of skins.

Pool party lulu most of all!
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Post Post #43020 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:23 am

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I got nothing... How can you know you are linked? Is it similar to unchained alistar/riot girl trist?
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Post Post #43021 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:24 am

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click add friend then click the facebook thing.
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Post Post #43022 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:25 am

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zoraster wrote:I mean people choose to spend money. It's a pretty easy game not to spend money on. You just need 16 champions to play ranked and some runes. That doesn't take THAT long to do.

There are 12 450 champs, then add 4 1350 champs and that's 10,800 IP -- easily less than what you make leveling to 30. You can easily compete in ranked with level 2 runes, which are super super cheap. Setting up two pages (AP and AD) rune pages of Level 2 runes costs about 2500 IP. So to play in ranked you need to have about 13,300 IP -- which is about what it costs to buy two recent champs. It is definitely not prohibitive. If you want level 3 runes, things are more expensive but still easily achievable.

The thing that makes people spend money (other than wanting pretty skins) is wanting to play newer champions, which is fine, but it's also totally unnecessary.

450 Champ rundown:
Top: Ryze, Garen, Kayle, Poppy, Warwick
Jungle: Warwick, Nunu, Yi, Amumu
Mid: Annie, Ryze, Kayle
ADC: Ashe, Sivir
Support: Soraka, Annie

Add in 4 1350 Champs of your choice but for example: Janna, Cho'Gath, Morgana, Tristana

This is a totally playable ranked roster. ADCs have two of the very best ADCs in the game. Annie is almost a criminally underestimated mid-laner. Janna is consistently in all metas a top tier support. Morgana gives huge flexibility. Jungle gives you Nunu and Amumu which are two great junglers.


Tier two runes are not competitively viable and also are terribly cost ineffective. Also having a 3rd page for jungling/top laning is probably what you'd want. Bare minimum cost for 2 basic rune pages is 15,375. With your suggested line up you have 2 champs catching 30% plus ban rates, and 2 champs that are bottom tier in all their roles. So in a 3rd of your games your viable champ rotation is gonna look like

Top: Garen
Jungle: Nunu Warwick Amumu
Mid: annie, morg,
ADC: Ashe, Sivir
Support: Janna morgana soraka.

Looks not good. That's before factoring in some high play rates among those as well.
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Post Post #43023 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:42 am

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They're hugely cost effective, they're just not optimal. With Tier 3 runes you're paying a lot for more marginal gains. Don't get me wrong: upgrading to Tier 3 runes is the first thing you should do after acquiring the requisit 16 and before acquiring more champions. But it's perfectly viable to use Tier 2 runes in ranked. And while a third page is nice, it's not really necessary if you use your rune pages to be flexible rather than optimized to a role (AD quints instead of AS quints, for example).

Let's take an example comparing Tier 3 and 2 runes and see how much we're really missing out:

AD Runes, Tier 2: 9x AD Marks (6.66 AD), 3x AD Quints (5.25 AD), 9x Armor Seals (7.02 Armor), 9x MR Runes (9.36 MR)
AD Runes, Tier 3: 9x AD Marks (8.55 AD), 3x AD Quints (6.75 AD), 9x Armor Seals (9 Armor), 9x MR Runes (12.06 MR)

So overall you get 11.91 AD, 7 Armor, 9.36 MR from Tier 2 and 15.3 AD, 9 Armor, and 12.06 MR for Tier 3

So by using Tier 2 runes you miss out on 3.39 AD, 2 Armor, 2.7 MR. It cost you 1245 IP to buy the Tier 2 runes and 8,610 IP to buy Tier 3.

To use gold efficiency as a comparison, you miss out on 122 gold in AD, 40 gold in armor, 54 gold in MR for a total handicap of 216 gold.

That's nothing to sneeze at, but it's also not going to keep someone from competing. That's particularly true of someone who is just starting, where the marginal differences in Runes is negligible compared to the high variability in skill and a lack of consistencies of both the player and enemies.
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Post Post #43024 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:45 am

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it's so funny that i can use the same rune page for heimer, teemo, and sona
i wonder if there are more like them
preferably an adc or jungler
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