Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Wickedestjr]

which is a much weaker stance. You never said what bothered you in-between. You've pretty much ignored him for the whole game, besides repeating that you suspect him.

"Much weaker" is overselling it a bit, don't you think?

I didn’t think so.

This is basically an entirely BS reason for joining the hiplop wagon, and if anyone is displaying this sort of behavior, it's Wicked, not hiplop.

I’m convinced you aren’t even reading my posts. Because nothing I accused hiplop of applies to me.

I'm starting to think that I was wrong about Cerberus... He makes a lot of sense as Flubber's partner.
*fingers crossed*

This is scum, setting up the next mislynch, because he KNOWS that the lynch was on town.

Not really. Read the reason why I was starting to doubt Cerberus - it’s largely based on him looking like Flubber’s partner. Thus, I have no reason to vote for Cerberus before voting Flubber and I don’t plan to. (Now that it's clear Cerb was the cop last night, there is 0% chance I'm voting him today).

It’s not scum setting up the next mislynch. It’s town thinking about the game, developing reads, wanting to make my thoughts public before day ends. It’s evidence that I’m willing to change my mind. Because I’m trying NOT to suffer from confirmation bias. I know “not suffering from confirmation bias” is a completely foreign concept to you, mastin2, but it’s something I strive for every time I’m town - because I’m aware that my reads generally get better the further into the game we are.

Not trying to be rude, but frankly, I’m growing tired of you scum reading me. It doesn’t feel like you are or ever have made an effort to determine my alignment, and I think it's unfair.

[Wickedestjr]

Given that I was wrong about hiplop, I have some work to do before I'm voting again.

ZZZX townread Sonic Boom and Sonic Boom received the weak cop on night 1. It's pretty clear that scum are trying to kill the cop inventor right now. Would be beneficial for the cop inventor to claim if there is any chance of them dying tonight. Maybe even if they don't think they're in danger.

[Wickedestjr]

Jaqen, who are your top four suspects right now?

[T S O]

Yeah I'll do SB either.

[Shakira Confirmed]

[quote="In post 2501, Wickedestjr"It's pretty clear that scum are trying to kill the cop inventor right now.[/quote]
A winner is you!

Mastin stating our reads are bad because we weren't nightkilled is really just

You know what, I think it's time.
VOTE: Mastin

[Flubbernugget]

Given that I was wrong about hiplop, I have some work to do before I'm voting again.

ZZZX townread Sonic Boom and Sonic Boom received the weak cop on night 1. It's pretty clear that scum are trying to kill the cop inventor right now. Would be beneficial for the cop inventor to claim if there is any chance of them dying tonight. Maybe even if they don't think they're in danger.

Inventor claim makes the chance of their nk hitting their target 100%

What information does town benefit from knowing who the inventor is during the day over the night?

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah I'll do SB either.

Sb is confirmed innocent

[Wickedestjr]

Given that I was wrong about hiplop, I have some work to do before I'm voting again.

ZZZX townread Sonic Boom and Sonic Boom received the weak cop on night 1. It's pretty clear that scum are trying to kill the cop inventor right now. Would be beneficial for the cop inventor to claim if there is any chance of them dying tonight. Maybe even if they don't think they're in danger.

Inventor claim makes the chance of their nk hitting their target 100%

What information does town benefit from knowing who the inventor is during the day over the night?

If the commute inventor knows who the cop inventor is, then scum (temporarily) can't kill the cop inventor.

[Flubbernugget]

Can the cop inventor still gift people if they commute? I would assume yes because gifting is a day action and commuting is a night action?

That's blatant follow the cop though

[Flubbernugget]

I feel like the commute inventor is scum

So far sc and lc have been gifted commutes?

[mastin2]

Assuming Sonic is town than I've gotten 3 for 4 reads correct, which is more than you so far.

What, by one? I townread hiplop, VERY strongly, so strongly that bluntly that read should count for at least two if not three reads. I townread Cerberus. Assuming LC is town (which is a safe assumption), that's at least a third.

*computer spits out "Too early to compute"*

Alright, here's a computation for you. Instead of showing you the names on the wagon, let's show you the names off!

Cerberus v666 - 1 (T S O)
Flubbernugget - 2 (hiplop, Nachomamma8)
ika - 1 (Lying Cat)
Sonic Boom - 2 (mastin2, Jaqen Hghar)

Not Voting: Aristophanes

TSO hasn't done anything town, so admittedly that's a bit of a concern, but Ankamius was very, very much town.
Hiplop is confirmed town.
Tere was very, very, VERY town, one of my strongest townreads consistently, and Nacho has not only done nothing to decrease that read, but a ton to INCREASE it.
Lying Cat is as good as conftown to me right now because, bluntly, if LC was scum, then I would be dead right now, yet here I am.

That basically only leaves as, even THEORETICALLY, Jaqen and Aristophanes. Both of which I have a townread on, strong for Aristophanes and weak on Jaqen.

Mastin, what are you seeing which a man is missing in Wicked?

An extreme lack of town motivation and fairly obvious scum motive.

[mastin2]

I’m convinced you aren’t even reading my posts. Because nothing I accused hiplop of applies to me.

Yes, it did. Your stance on hiplop, at the time of the vote, was much stronger than earlier in the day. (As shown by such various factors as your vote having been on Jaqen over hiplop.)

Read the reason why I was starting to doubt Cerberus - it’s largely based on him looking like Flubber’s partner.

Yes, just like your reason for scumreading hiplop was at least partially if not largely based off of him looking like Flubber's partner. (Or maybe that was Jaqen? Maybe it was both. Point remains, though....) Yet in spite of that,

you never voted for Flubber

, which is

especially

egregious because there was interest in a wagon on him.

So I repeat.

It's scum setting up a mislynch, who's been foiled by Cerb being the one getting the invention and thus being untouchable. If he didn't, you'd be gunning after him today.

I made my effort to read you. In fact I originally had you as town. Yet nothing you've done. Has actually shown a town drive.

[mastin2]

You know what, I think it's time.
VOTE: Mastin

Good luck with that.

So far sc and lc have been gifted commutes?

If SC claims to have gotten the commute, then innocent from Cerb be damned, I'd power-lynch them. And then probably Cerb after that just to be sure he wouldn't be scum covering for a buddy.

Not a chance in hell the commuter gave the commute to Sonic Boom, the. freakin. target. of the cop investigation.

[Cerberus v666]

I feel like the commute inventor is scum

So far sc and lc have been gifted commutes?

Why you you think SC was gifted a commute? SC didn't say what their gift was, unless I missed it. They just said they didn't use it, and they apologized for not using it. That implies to me that whatever their gift was it was an active/offensive ability which would affect someone else, not one which would help them, thus their apology for not gaining whatever information they could have gained from using it on someone.

So, three inventors. One weak cop, one commute, one unknown. ZZZX's death combined with his town read on the recipient of the weak cop N1 increases the likelihood that the weak cop is indeed coming from town. SC is/was likely to be conftown, assuming SC received a targeted ability, as seems likely from my read of their apology. Is there any reason scum would give an invention to someone who is/was likely to be conftown? I can't think of anything at least, so that leads me to believe the unknown invention is also coming from a town source. Now, the commute. I really can't see any utility coming from this being utilized by scum as a gift to town, but...I feel like a scum inventor is likely, and the commute thus seems to be the one which most likely came from scum.

Ugh.

Had a train of thought, somewhat derailed, in short, I think the recipient of the commute should claim it every day, but I'm not positive that there's anything good for town in doing that. Only if the commuter giver is scum is it helpful.

pedit: Mastin2: I'm always untouchable. I mean, you don't know me, but, like, I think I've only ever been mislynched as town once in the games I've played(which isn't quite as ridiculous a count as some people have, but it's still double digits. ) And that's in spite of pretty much always being considered a scummy reading poster. There's just something people don't like about the way I approach the game. ^^ OH, and yes, there's no way they did that unless the commute inventor is scum together with sonic, but, well, that just seems like an easy way to get a member of your team killed, while NOT getting the free kill from having someone target them with a weak cop, and NOT getting the cop to out themselves to confirm that the person who died was the one who received the weak cop.

[mastin2]

Derp.
I read SC as SB.

...Point still stands though, albeit of a lesser strength; I would not believe SC claiming to receive the commute, even though that would require an SC/SB/Cerb scumteam.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Assuming Sonic is town than I've gotten 3 for 4 reads correct, which is more than you so far.

What, by one? I townread hiplop, VERY strongly, so strongly that bluntly that read should count for at least two if not three reads. I townread Cerberus. Assuming LC is town (which is a safe assumption), that's at least a third.

*computer spits out "Too early to compute"*

Alright, here's a computation for you. Instead of showing you the names on the wagon, let's show you the names off!

Cerberus v666 - 1 (T S O)
Flubbernugget - 2 (hiplop, Nachomamma8)
ika - 1 (Lying Cat)
Sonic Boom - 2 (mastin2, Jaqen Hghar)

Not Voting: Aristophanes

TSO hasn't done anything town, so admittedly that's a bit of a concern, but Ankamius was very, very much town.
Hiplop is confirmed town.
Tere was very, very, VERY town, one of my strongest townreads consistently, and Nacho has not only done nothing to decrease that read, but a ton to INCREASE it.
Lying Cat is as good as conftown to me right now because, bluntly, if LC was scum, then I would be dead right now, yet here I am.

That basically only leaves as, even THEORETICALLY, Jaqen and Aristophanes. Both of which I have a townread on, strong for Aristophanes and weak on Jaqen.

Mastin, what are you seeing which a man is missing in Wicked?

An extreme lack of town motivation and fairly obvious scum motive.

Phone posting and I want to respond to this right away so I can't break the post up.

1. I was wondering if you'd totally ignore the important part of the post to focus solely on defending your amazing scum hunting skills. But seriously? You can't go, "Well, I'm right on all these unflipped people so I'm still super duper good." This is so inane.

2. If Lying Cat is scum and you are town there is not a chance in hell he'd kill you.

3. Get your players straight if you want people to take you seriously. You mixed up me with SB.

4. Challenge accepted.

Also, thanks to the commute inventor. I'm glad one of us remembered. Marq!

[Marquis]

we received the same one invention end of d1 and d2

[Marquis]

:( flumy
i am so bad at second accounts right now
but i am flying back home for the summer so i should be more free hopefully!

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: Mastina

I can do this. Sonic needs to see Mastina's scum.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Lol, no worries Marq.

[Sonic Boom]

Jaquen, stop the man thing please. Sonic scumreads you. I think you're town but that thing is so fucking annoying where I literally do not care if I am right or wrong.

Agreed, it hurts me head and leads me to neither fully understand nor care about your posts.

I am mostly done reading and will post tonight after work.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Sonic, what have I done that is voteworthy?
I assume this is based on my predecessor. Do you think it reasonable to vote me based on him?

The last question is laughable. Do I think it's reasonable to vote you? Of course, that's why I did it.

You've done jack shit since subbing in. That's good enough for me.

[mastin2]

So, three inventors. One weak cop, one commute, one unknown. ZZZX's death combined with his town read on the recipient of the weak cop N1 increases the likelihood that the weak cop is indeed coming from town.

No argument here.

Is there any reason scum would give an invention to someone who is/was likely to be conftown?

Simple: the towncred it would give them. I believe the scum inventor last game did so once or twice in an attempt to save themselves. (It didn't work.) That being said, too early to say for certain whether the third's town or scum. My opinion would frankly depend on who the third is. (That said, even if it turns out to be someone I'm convinced is scum, they'd still be off the lynching table because forced optimal town usage of their role > chance they're scum.)

Now, the commute.

Frankly, the commuter is obvtown, giving to players likely to be nightkilled. LC was the target D1, and the target for D2 would probably be someone like, say, Nacho. They're going to be using it as a doc protect, so no, not scum.

I feel like a scum inventor is likely.

It's possible. Really depends, though. If we have any town power outside the inventors aside from Bins, it's a near-certainty. If all we have are Bins + the inventors, then frankly we need all three inventors to have anything resembling a chance against the scum. Since now would very obviously be a Very Bad Time for any existing PRs outside inventors to claim, though, that's something we're not gonna deal with. At least not now.

I think the recipient of the commute should claim it every day, but I'm not positive that there's anything good for town in doing that.

Since the commute power is known, I don't think it's as important as the third invention in regards to claiming. The third power, unless SC tells us differently, could be from scum. The commute, rather obviously, is not.

[mastin2]

2. If Lying Cat is scum and you are town there is not a chance in hell he'd kill you.

No, if Lying Cat were scum, I am the ONLY player he would nightkill N2.

I'm still here, ergo, LC is town.

Also, thanks to the commute inventor.

VOTE: Shakira Confirmed.

[Sonic Boom]

Mastin2, really? I don't see any evidence of who got the commute so I can't tell if it's town or scum motivated. You make a lot of leaps and conclusions here.

[Sonic Boom]

2. If Lying Cat is scum and you are town there is not a chance in hell he'd kill you.

No, if Lying Cat were scum, I am the ONLY player he would nightkill N2.

I'm still here, ergo, LC is town.

Also, thanks to the commute inventor.

VOTE: Shakira Confirmed.

Yeah no. We aren't voting conftown.