Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Shakira Confirmed]

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

[vezokpiraka]

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

The thing which makes me wary is that people are wagoning ika, but not even mentioning kari. This is highly suspect.

[Shakira Confirmed]

STRONG TOWN:

TOWN:

NULLTOWN:

NULL:

NULLSCUM:

SCUM:

Shakira Confirmed
Sonic Boom
vezokpiraka

ika +
Cerberus v666

mastin2
Kari +
Jaqen Hghar

Wickedestjr +
Flubbernugget ++
Nachomamma8 +
T S O ++

Lying Cat
Aristophanes +

????????????

[Shakira Confirmed]

All sorted by higher-is-townier. + means I need to read more of them.

Yes, I have Kari on the townier side. I feel like there would be more callout wrt her inactivity if she had scumpartners. It's highly improbable otherwise after all this time of inactivity and earlier lurking. And yes, you're free to call it a flimsy point, but I don't see a single player on this list that would prefer to ignore a useless scumpartner instead of calling her out as a form of interaction, or even just bussing her outright.

A lot of my null and nullscum reads are partially sorted by fear. Not just fear of their potential scumgame, but fear of getting things wrong. Ugh.

But by far lowest is Aristophanes, just by PoE and some other stuff mentioned below. Don't really have anything so far that feels clearly like scum enough to commit on the bottom yet. Lying Cat is listed as just above, but I'm only half sure - don't know what to think of their insistence on Flumy and I doing a full invention-claim.

I think I'll ISO Aristo in the morning. They played as Mafia Traitor in my Taylor Swift UPick, and the more I think of what I remember of their posting and activity here, it always goes back to vague similarities with that scumgame.

Idk. Night.

[Shakira Confirmed]

Sorry, I'm going to move ika into Strong Town above vezok. I remembered his earlier posts this game and I am very certain they don't come from a scum!ika.

Vote Count 3.2

Aristophanes - 1 (Lying Cat)
Cerberus v666 - 1 (vezokpiraka)
ika - 1 (T S O)
Jaqen Hghar - 1 (Sonic Boom)
mastin2 - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)
Nachomamma8 - 1 (Jaqen Hghar)
Wickedestjr - 1 (mastin2)

Not Voting: Aristophanes, Cerberus v666, Flubbernugget, ika, Kari, Nachomamma8, Wickedestjr

8 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-07-17 20:31:08)

Unofficial Votecount (as of now, with changes):

Aristophanes - 1 (

Lying Cat

, Nachomamma8)
Cerberus v666 - 1 (vezokpiraka)
ika - 4 (T S O, Lying Cat, Wickedestjr, Sonic Boom)
Jaqen Hghar - 1 (

Sonic Boom

, Flubbernugget)
Lying Cat - 1 (Jaqen Hghar)
mastin2 - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)
Nachomamma8 - 0 (

Jaqen Hghar

)
Wickedestjr - 1 (mastin2)

Not Voting: Aristophanes, Cerberus v666,

Flubbernugget

, ika, Kari,

Nachomamma8

,

Wickedestjr

8 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-07-17 20:31:08)

I was going to say "LC switching off of Aristo once it was starting to grow momentum is setting off major major 'AHA' alarm bells" but apparently he voted ika earlier.

Hmmm. Maybe Anti mistook the ika vote as a vote for a scumpartner. It's a very odd mistake to make in votecounting unless there's some connection in the mod's mind. heheheheh i love semi-plausible tinfoiling

Also, the game would be pretty broken if both the commuter and cop are town. The commuter is obv scum at this point.

Fucking stop.

@TSO- back in the game, buddy. I'm here too.

The backflips jacques is doing to justify being hilariously wrong read more about his ego than alignment. That's not to say that he's towning it up, but I'm not excited about lynching him.

ika is totally scum. Given that a certain mod has apparently randomly assigned my vote, I should move it to someone I actually want to lynch.

VOTE: ika

I've thought about fluquis' claim wrt the invention they received, and I decided that it's dumb. It is FAR more protown to claim what the invention was for balance purposes. I do not trust either of you to determine whether an invention balances town or not, and your in-thread speculation has done nothing to assure me otherwise. At the bare minimum, I would like you to claim the category of the power. The power being an invention gives scum a huge information deficit and we would be idiots not to abuse that.

Reading this post again beyond what applies to me specifically, I still really don't like the ika insistence. I'm reading over and over again the top half of this post and do. not. like. it. It just feels super gross and not genuine at all. (I'm pretty sure this is one of sthar's posts too and with his shutting-lots-of-ppl-down tone here lately I'm feeling hints of his scumplay in the Team Mafia Mini Normal.)

Anyway this ika wagon is stupid and really feels like mostly scum looking to close off on a ML wagon and keep it high through the rest of the day. As in I really think with the gamestate right now, scum are feeling like today needs to be shut down and moved on with. Or something like that. It's late and I'm even worse with wording now.

[this has all been marquis]

[Shakira Confirmed]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Counterwagon backed by Nacho and me. Strong town player and conftown.

Let's goooo

od night

.

[Shakira Confirmed]

AND HOLY SHIT ARISTOPHANES REPLACED MAC THIS IS EVEN BETTER
I NOW HAVE A CONSTANT SCUMREAD ON TWO PLAYERS IN THE SAME SLOT WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IT WAS THE SAME SLOT
YOU GUYS PLEASE LET ME KILL THIS BEFORE I DIE

[Shakira Confirmed]

actually idk why i put mastin that high
i can see her vote on us and trying to clarify a potential slip as being faked by her as scum
because like
she actually voted and suspected conftown with it lol

like the primary reaction is to assume mastin's just town with a vastly different (and/or "delayed") perspective toward the game

but her scumgame - i haven't seen it in play that i remember, but i know it's fairly good

and her whole earlygame obnoxiousness wrt that

hmm





actually fuck it never mind she can stay in null/nulltown, her talking about scum nightkill motivations and being kind of obvwrong and also just the massive amts of diff/wrong make me... not exactly "okay" with her being town, just. don't think i'll want that lynch for a good while.

[Aristophanes]

Done over a week's worth of being overworked and finally here to make a proper post. I apologize for the inactivity, since I subbed in I haven't worked less than 10 hours on any given day.

Anyway, let me read up a tad and I'll be here with stuff and such.

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: aristophanes

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: aristophanes

Why?

I'm rereading today and so far see "The Mac wagon didn't take off even though there were 2 conftown on it." which, quite frankly, is shit logic.
Have you any other reason to vote me?

[Aristophanes]

I think it's worth noting how little traction there was with regards to Flubber's lynch despite him being a near-universal scumread.

What does this mean to you?

He's scum!

Right, but that's the same argument Sonic has against me. It really has no traction to it.

Are there other scummy things you've seem from him?

[Aristophanes]

Because besides what's quoted, the only mention of him that you have is your vote for him, which tells me nothing of your thoughts on him.

[Aristophanes]

Mastin, where are you getting this scumread on Wicked from?
He seems pretty towny to me.

[Aristophanes]

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

Who the heck is Kari??

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: aristophanes

[Lying Cat]

You know, we had a history of bad conftowns in OC too.

Oh. It's the other thing. Remind a man...exactly how many scum is he saying he is usually finding D1? And how many of those he is naming are yet to flip?

I am absolutely, completely, cosmically secure in my certainty that I don't give a fuck about how good you think you are at mafia.

.: I will not be getting drawn into this discussion.

It isn't working that way. This one is starting a conversation essentially calling a man's reads shit and then when facing the other side of the story ( you know- the one where only two of a man's initial scum reads have flipped leaving two which are still unknown for sure) is doing back flips of his own. Nah...this one must needs finish what he is starting. By end of D1 a man is town reading Cerebus and scum reading LC. So, carry on.

I mean, like 3/4 of your posts are shit. That's not a new thing. And 'WELL THERE'S NO WAY I COULD BE WRONG THERE MUST BE A REDIRECT LETS LYNCH THE COP CLEAR' is so fucking fantastically stupid that the only possible utility it could have is furiously stroking your own ego to get yourself off. Like, you might be right and the clear might not be accurate, but determining that by randolynching the clear is catastrophically dumb.

Be content that I'm using your onanism to read your alignment rather than just tossing a towel over every immodest and disgusting spurt of narcissism that flows out of your mouth.

AAMAF

That's not a word.

What exactly is your point here? Should I give you a chance to reword this? Because it feels like you're saying that not letting scum know what the invention is actually isn't how to correctly abuse scum's information deficit.

It's not. What gain do you get from hiding the category of the power?

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

The thing which makes me wary is that people are wagoning ika, but not even mentioning kari. This is highly suspect.

Kari's probably flaking, and ika has a history of active lurking as scum.

their insistence on Flumy and I doing a full invention-claim.

Read better. I want you to claim the

category

of the invention. Then we can decide if there's any reason for you to hide it.

[Marquis]

No, I think claiming the category of the invention is too narrow and only gives scum unnecessary info about what they might need to work around.

If somebody else other than us gets it tonight and isn't conftown or vezok, they should claim it tomorrow. 3 can't keep a secret.

[Shakira Confirmed]

No, I think claiming the category of the invention is too narrow and only gives scum unnecessary info about what they might need to work around.

If somebody else other than us gets it tonight and isn't conftown or vezok, they should claim it tomorrow. 3 can't keep a secret.

[Shakira Confirmed]

I mean, so far we have a 3rd invention that has only ever been gifted to us. On its own that would run the risk of it being scum-motivated in potentially wasting it, but Flumy and I both don't think so for various reasons.

We would rather not reveal it and have it come up in another recipient's claim or a massclaim later on. It's the most optimal play.

Again, your insistence on outing the invention when only conftown has been using it and so it's 50% less likely that scum know about it, combined with how no matter what it could be, there isn't much town can do today about it because it's day 3 and this isn't when we're trying to completely setup solve - we're scumreading you because you should be able to get this by now. There really isn't anything you can do about it except get me mad so I risk revealing even more info about it as I respond in posts like this.

[Jaqen Hghar]

You know, we had a history of bad conftowns in OC too.

Oh. It's the other thing. Remind a man...exactly how many scum is he saying he is usually finding D1? And how many of those he is naming are yet to flip?

I am absolutely, completely, cosmically secure in my certainty that I don't give a fuck about how good you think you are at mafia.

.: I will not be getting drawn into this discussion.

It isn't working that way. This one is starting a conversation essentially calling a man's reads shit and then when facing the other side of the story ( you know- the one where only two of a man's initial scum reads have flipped leaving two which are still unknown for sure) is doing back flips of his own. Nah...this one must needs finish what he is starting. By end of D1 a man is town reading Cerebus and scum reading LC. So, carry on.

I mean, like 3/4 of your posts are shit. That's not a new thing. And 'WELL THERE'S NO WAY I COULD BE WRONG THERE MUST BE A REDIRECT LETS LYNCH THE COP CLEAR' is so fucking fantastically stupid that the only possible utility it could have is furiously stroking your own ego to get yourself off. Like, you might be right and the clear might not be accurate, but determining that by randolynching the clear is catastrophically dumb.

Be content that I'm using your onanism to read your alignment rather than just tossing a towel over every immodest and disgusting spurt of narcissism that flows out of your mouth.

AAMAF

That's not a word.

What exactly is your point here? Should I give you a chance to reword this? Because it feels like you're saying that not letting scum know what the invention is actually isn't how to correctly abuse scum's information deficit.

It's not. What gain do you get from hiding the category of the power?

WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP WHY HAS KARI NOT BEEN REPLACED OR EVEN PRODDED BY NOW

ANTI I THINK WE LOST HER MOST RECENT POST WARNING IN THE PILE OF WEEK-OLD DEAD BODIES

The thing which makes me wary is that people are wagoning ika, but not even mentioning kari. This is highly suspect.

Kari's probably flaking, and ika has a history of active lurking as scum.

their insistence on Flumy and I doing a full invention-claim.

Read better. I want you to claim the

category

of the invention. Then we can decide if there's any reason for you to hide it.

Hey, if this one is actually town and is wishing to confine his thinking to within the box- have at it. A man isn't so closed minded. Can this one

really

not see one such as MS making a play such as the one a man is describing as scum? Or better yet, how is this one forgetting what this mod is saying at the end of Organic- that he would give scum roles which are specifically designed to mess with town? A man wouldn't be the least bit shocked in discovering the Cop Inventor to be a scum role designed for just that purpose.

Oh, and how about putting out actual content instead of backhand put downs? A man has seen zero content from this slot. Just a bunch of this is shit, that is shit, stupid person here, etc. There is nothing which is remotely looking for scummotivation or agenda. And, as a matter a fact (AAMAF), answer a man's question and quit dodging it you scumfuck.

[vezokpiraka]

I mean, so far we have a 3rd invention that has only ever been gifted to us. On its own that would run the risk of it being scum-motivated in potentially wasting it, but Flumy and I both don't think so for various reasons.

We would rather not reveal it and have it come up in another recipient's claim or a massclaim later on. It's the most optimal play.

Again, your insistence on outing the invention when only conftown has been using it and so it's 50% less likely that scum know about it, combined with how no matter what it could be, there isn't much town can do today about it because it's day 3 and this isn't when we're trying to completely setup solve - we're scumreading you because you should be able to get this by now. There really isn't anything you can do about it except get me mad so I risk revealing even more info about it as I respond in posts like this.

Do you think it's possible bins got the invention night 1? Or did the sender just forget about it? Or did it come from scum and went to scum?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh, and whether you're town or scum it's completely unnecessary to be an overly aggressive dickhead LC; I'd appreciate it if you stopped.

[Jaqen Hghar]

I mean, so far we have a 3rd invention that has only ever been gifted to us. On its own that would run the risk of it being scum-motivated in potentially wasting it, but Flumy and I both don't think so for various reasons.

We would rather not reveal it and have it come up in another recipient's claim or a massclaim later on. It's the most optimal play.

Again, your insistence on outing the invention when only conftown has been using it and so it's 50% less likely that scum know about it, combined with how no matter what it could be, there isn't much town can do today about it because it's day 3 and this isn't when we're trying to completely setup solve - we're scumreading you because you should be able to get this by now. There really isn't anything you can do about it except get me mad so I risk revealing even more info about it as I respond in posts like this.

Do you think it's possible bins got the invention night 1? Or did the sender just forget about it? Or did it come from scum and went to scum?

Or is it nonconsecutive? Or is it mattering at this point?

[vezokpiraka]

I mean, so far we have a 3rd invention that has only ever been gifted to us. On its own that would run the risk of it being scum-motivated in potentially wasting it, but Flumy and I both don't think so for various reasons.

We would rather not reveal it and have it come up in another recipient's claim or a massclaim later on. It's the most optimal play.

Again, your insistence on outing the invention when only conftown has been using it and so it's 50% less likely that scum know about it, combined with how no matter what it could be, there isn't much town can do today about it because it's day 3 and this isn't when we're trying to completely setup solve - we're scumreading you because you should be able to get this by now. There really isn't anything you can do about it except get me mad so I risk revealing even more info about it as I respond in posts like this.

Do you think it's possible bins got the invention night 1? Or did the sender just forget about it? Or did it come from scum and went to scum?

Or is it nonconsecutive? Or is it mattering at this point?

It matters, because if the invention was given to bins scum don't know about it. If they invention wasn't given to bins probably scum shared it amongst themselves and now we know who the scum inventor is.