You're scolding those who scum read you and rewarding those who don't after you solicit everyone's read on you
No. I'm scolding people who scumread me for being mean, because that's fucking stupid. That list of people enumerates who in this game has played with me in a game where I treated someone like the idiot they were pretending to be, as town. It's
commonly
known to not be an alignment tell for me, despite flumquis' assertion otherwise.
Titusonic called it townie (which it isnt because it's trivial to fake as scum) and then scumread me over 'vibes.' I noted the most likely source of any vibes they are feeling.
Wicked correctly called it null.
I am actually pretty obviously town to anyone who's reading at more than a surface level, but I forgive anyone who concludes null.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:I think we should give Ika a little more time. Let's not lynch him today. Tomorrow, we can discuss it.
-Flum
Whyyyyyyy
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Lying Cat is still cute. I like how he actually thinks his yelling and insulting people who disagree with him is actually doing anything.
what does your tongue taste like
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Ika is probably town, but there is one case I can see where he is scum.
That would requite the Commuter being town and other things though.
well the commuter is town. what are the other things?
↑Wickedestjr wrote:LC has been a POE-scumread for a while now.
@nacho, mastin
This doesn't jive with 'maybe a lurker, but lets give them some more time.'
Uhh no. My scum read on you had nothing to do with you insulting people. I just commented on it because it really doesn't work in getting your voice heard.
And no, you can't be town for the same reason Mastin supposedly is.
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:Jaqen: Why should I believe LC is more scum than flubber? If you take into consideration the fact that I don't agree with you at all in regards to the FtC plan, and thus all that discussion there with LC that might make you inclined to believe he's scum(along with SB), what is scummy about LC? What reason would I have to believe him more likely to flip scum than flubber? Both their flips will be more revealing than either Aristophanes or Kari's, and I don't have a strong enough read on either to call them firmly town or scum. Convince me Jaqen.
Noting this one deflecting from a wagon he is supposedly not opposed to and obfuscating stupidity as to the several cases he is posting already eg LC.
I once was in this other game off site. I was town and things were going great. Day 1 had a scum member come in drunk and obvscum it up. He was wagoned very near deadline but claimed doc so everyone just moved the vote onto the game's lurker in the last few minutes. I and what ended up being 4 other players caught another townie (the doc) saying something that implied he knew the scum was definitely lying. Thus, I (and them) knew who the doc was.
The next day the scumbutt pretended he was roleblocked so didn't manage to protect anyone. The actual doc visited me and I claimed this so he got lynched. (You are told the doc visits you on that site, as well as if you are roleblocked.)
Anyway, we ended up with a bunch of players with a few being certain one player was the doc. And we all sort of softed it in our reads. The doc was playing super scummy in a way that no one would naturally town read him, so it resulted in a few players having him in the strong town category for "reasons" while the others all claimed to suspect him.
The next night the doc wasn't killed. Me and the other townies all knew the others knew who the doc was. Because he wasn't killed we decided to form a town bloc because we all had to be town or else the doc would be dead. Whenever someone else asked why we were town-reading each other, we just went like, "Believe it, we're town!"
Also, the bloc consisted of 4 town and 1 scum.
It turns out the scum all knew he was the doc and they just didn't bother killing him right away because his reads were so far off and they wanted to go after someone they thought was one of the other power roles.
Anyway, I was killed that night and the scum in our bloc went on to do a really good bus of one of his teammates and went on to win the game for his team. In the end, I learned to never make assumptions like that again. I wouldn't assume people are town after one night of not killing a person I knew they knew were a power role.
The point of this is to say, I have no trust for people who just claim ambiguous reasons for town reading people and expect others to believe it.
The End.
-Flum
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑mastin2 wrote:That's what you get for ignoring me and/or calling me scum for it.
Genuine question. Are you trying to be as aggravating as possible?
No, but I am
extremely
bitter about that lynch.
I was saying, ever since D1, that hiplop was town.
Very, very strongly saying it.
Raising some fairly decent arguments for it, too.
Hiplop could literally not have been more obvtown than he was.
And after he DID get lynched, Sonic just goes and says, effectively, "Well, not MY fault hiplop somehow wasn't scum!", completely avoiding the responsibility when YES IT FREAKING WAS HIS FAULT.
Which is why I was so ticked off. Instead of accepting he was wrong and moving on, he just brushed it off. When in contrast, I've been here, fully willing to admit that yes I was wrong and that I was trying to move on.
Reason that I kinda want Jaqen to be right about them being scum, role clear be damned.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Ika is probably town, but there is one case I can see where he is scum. That would requite the Commuter being town and other things though.
The commuter is town.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:I'll probably check Mastin if we get the cop tonight and I encourage others to do the same. I'm almost at the point where I don't care if I'm wrong about Mastin.
Problem with this, though, is that you're already conftown. You're in the chain already, via Sonic Boom's original investigation. The cop inventor handing the weak cop to you would, effectively, be abandoning the current chain to start a new one, in which case we'd be required to lynch Cerberus to confirm the old chain.
I'm presuming you (and the weak cop inventor) don't want that, so the only way I'm getting cop investigated is if the weak cop inventor hands the investigation to me, I live through the night, claim my result on Cerb (likely an innocent), and the next cop inventor target then is free to check me.
/Gonna maybe watch Terminator4 right now, so this is where I'll have to stop for the moment. (Depends on the pricing of the film I guess.)
You're scolding those who scum read you and rewarding those who don't after you solicit everyone's read on you
No. I'm scolding people who scumread me for being mean, because that's fucking stupid. That list of people enumerates who in this game has played with me in a game where I treated someone like the idiot they were pretending to be, as town. It's
commonly
known to not be an alignment tell for me, despite flumquis' assertion otherwise.
Titusonic called it townie (which it isnt because it's trivial to fake as scum) and then scumread me over 'vibes.' I noted the most likely source of any vibes they are feeling.
Wicked correctly called it null.
I am actually pretty obviously town to anyone who's reading at more than a surface level, but I forgive anyone who concludes null.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:I think we should give Ika a little more time. Let's not lynch him today. Tomorrow, we can discuss it.
-Flum
Whyyyyyyy
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Lying Cat is still cute. I like how he actually thinks his yelling and insulting people who disagree with him is actually doing anything.
what does your tongue taste like
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Ika is probably town, but there is one case I can see where he is scum.
That would requite the Commuter being town and other things though.
well the commuter is town. what are the other things?
↑Wickedestjr wrote:LC has been a POE-scumread for a while now.
@nacho, mastin
This doesn't jive with 'maybe a lurker, but lets give them some more time.'
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:@Jaqen
As much as I think Cat is scum, I don't think lynching one of the more active players is a good idea in a game full of lurking.
I don't think lynching lurkers is like going after low hanging fruit when there are so many of them.
A man is having hunches about this as well and is hipefully figuring out with a read through tonight.
Anything that isn't an Aris-scum vote is irrelevant and distracting. Kari is useless, but very likely town. Scum would have had more pressure (even a single mention) from teammates, public or private-to-replace-out, in that useless period.
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:
Uhh no. My scum read on you had nothing to do with you insulting people. I just commented on it because it really doesn't work in getting your voice heard.
And no, you can't be town for the same reason Mastin supposedly is.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:(I'm pretty sure this is one of sthar's posts too and with his shutting-lots-of-ppl-down tone here lately I'm feeling hints of his scumplay in the Team Mafia Mini Normal.)
1. Fucking poetry:
Playing in hydra
it is very important
to read partner's posts
Your slot is responsible for things your slot says. I get to respond to those things.
2. Nobody has presented a coupon for 'sthar holds your hand through obvious shit you should have seen the first time around' yet this game. Until someone does, I will continue to point out hilariously stupid things by saying how hilariously stupid they are. You may choose to reevaluate your incorrect opinions; I don't really give a damn.
3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we
are
uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.
4. Much like the ones from players who are probably scum, your scumread on me doesn't appear to come from much of anything. Please feel free to rectify this out of embarrassment.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Cat, hypothetically if you were scum, would you night kill the weak cop inventor or the commute inventor first?
Double standard. Obviously you should answer my question before I answer yours. Can't really see why I'd want to help out the scumteam.
And I just answered your question if you're paying attention.
I once was in this other game off site. I was town and things were going great. Day 1 had a scum member come in drunk and obvscum it up. He was wagoned very near deadline but claimed doc so everyone just moved the vote onto the game's lurker in the last few minutes. I and what ended up being 4 other players caught another townie (the doc) saying something that implied he knew the scum was definitely lying. Thus, I (and them) knew who the doc was.
The next day the scumbutt pretended he was roleblocked so didn't manage to protect anyone. The actual doc visited me and I claimed this so he got lynched. (You are told the doc visits you on that site, as well as if you are roleblocked.)
Anyway, we ended up with a bunch of players with a few being certain one player was the doc. And we all sort of softed it in our reads. The doc was playing super scummy in a way that no one would naturally town read him, so it resulted in a few players having him in the strong town category for "reasons" while the others all claimed to suspect him.
The next night the doc wasn't killed.
Me and the other townies all knew the others knew who the doc was. Because he wasn't killed we decided to form a town bloc because we all had to be town or else the doc would be dead. Whenever someone else asked why we were town-reading each other, we just went like, "Believe it, we're town!"
Also, the bloc consisted of 4 town and 1 scum.
It turns out the scum all knew he was the doc and they just didn't bother killing him right away because his reads were so far off and they wanted to go after someone they thought was one of the other power roles.
Anyway, I was killed that night and the scum in our bloc went on to do a really good bus of one of his teammates and went on to win the game for his team. In the end, I learned to never make assumptions like that again. I wouldn't assume people are town after one night of not killing a person I knew they knew were a power role.
The point of this is to say, I have no trust for people who just claim ambiguous reasons for town reading people and expect others to believe it.
The End.
-Flum
Irrelevant being the key word here. I know what I'm doing. I have a track record that supports that. I'm not blindly blocking with my townreads.
It is ... interesting... that your townread on ika amounts to 'just trust me' given that story though. Also making assumptions about what information is valuable to the town. I'm open to evidence that you can setup-break a game on your own.
Show of good faith: there is a (highly improbable) universe in which mastin is scum. If we're in it, we will know well before endgame. I assume you understand why we're not lynching sonic boom today, right? You can consider the above to be the same argument about mastin.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:
Uhh no. My scum read on you had nothing to do with you insulting people. I just commented on it because it really doesn't work in getting your voice heard.
And no, you can't be town for the same reason Mastin supposedly is.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:(I'm pretty sure this is one of sthar's posts too and with his shutting-lots-of-ppl-down tone here lately I'm feeling hints of his scumplay in the Team Mafia Mini Normal.)
1. Fucking poetry:
Playing in hydra
it is very important
to read partner's posts
Your slot is responsible for things your slot says. I get to respond to those things.
2. Nobody has presented a coupon for 'sthar holds your hand through obvious shit you should have seen the first time around' yet this game. Until someone does, I will continue to point out hilariously stupid things by saying how hilariously stupid they are. You may choose to reevaluate your incorrect opinions; I don't really give a damn.
3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we
are
uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.
4. Much like the ones from players who are probably scum, your scumread on me doesn't appear to come from much of anything. Please feel free to rectify this out of embarrassment.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Cat, hypothetically if you were scum, would you night kill the weak cop inventor or the commute inventor first?
Double standard. Obviously you should answer my question before I answer yours. Can't really see why I'd want to help out the scumteam.
And I just answered your question if you're paying attention.
I once was in this other game off site. I was town and things were going great. Day 1 had a scum member come in drunk and obvscum it up. He was wagoned very near deadline but claimed doc so everyone just moved the vote onto the game's lurker in the last few minutes. I and what ended up being 4 other players caught another townie (the doc) saying something that implied he knew the scum was definitely lying. Thus, I (and them) knew who the doc was.
The next day the scumbutt pretended he was roleblocked so didn't manage to protect anyone. The actual doc visited me and I claimed this so he got lynched. (You are told the doc visits you on that site, as well as if you are roleblocked.)
Anyway, we ended up with a bunch of players with a few being certain one player was the doc. And we all sort of softed it in our reads. The doc was playing super scummy in a way that no one would naturally town read him, so it resulted in a few players having him in the strong town category for "reasons" while the others all claimed to suspect him.
The next night the doc wasn't killed.
Me and the other townies all knew the others knew who the doc was. Because he wasn't killed we decided to form a town bloc because we all had to be town or else the doc would be dead. Whenever someone else asked why we were town-reading each other, we just went like, "Believe it, we're town!"
Also, the bloc consisted of 4 town and 1 scum.
It turns out the scum all knew he was the doc and they just didn't bother killing him right away because his reads were so far off and they wanted to go after someone they thought was one of the other power roles.
Anyway, I was killed that night and the scum in our bloc went on to do a really good bus of one of his teammates and went on to win the game for his team. In the end, I learned to never make assumptions like that again. I wouldn't assume people are town after one night of not killing a person I knew they knew were a power role.
The point of this is to say, I have no trust for people who just claim ambiguous reasons for town reading people and expect others to believe it.
The End.
-Flum
Irrelevant being the key word here. I know what I'm doing. I have a track record that supports that. I'm not blindly blocking with my townreads.
It is ... interesting... that your townread on ika amounts to 'just trust me' given that story though. Also making assumptions about what information is valuable to the town. I'm open to evidence that you can setup-break a game on your own.
Show of good faith: there is a (highly improbable) universe in which mastin is scum. If we're in it, we will know well before endgame. I assume you understand why we're not lynching sonic boom today, right? You can consider the above to be the same argument about mastin.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Anything that isn't an Aris-scum vote is irrelevant and distracting. Kari is useless, but very likely town. Scum would have had more pressure (even a single mention) from teammates, public or private-to-replace-out, in that useless period.
@ all the sthar stuff: Fluminator and I have a lot of cards right now. We're playing close to our chests, which is why you might disagree with some things we're spouting. This includes the invention we've been receiving (inventor please send it again), which, no, we are still not revealing.
That being said, Flum, please keep the vote on Aris. This is scum and by far the lynch today. Nothing they've said in response rings as genuine, but rather a bunch of badly-veiled attempts at self-preservation.
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑mastin2 wrote:That's what you get for ignoring me and/or calling me scum for it.
Genuine question. Are you trying to be as aggravating as possible?
No, but I am
extremely
bitter about that lynch.
I was saying, ever since D1, that hiplop was town.
Very, very strongly saying it.
Raising some fairly decent arguments for it, too.
Hiplop could literally not have been more obvtown than he was.
Ahh yes, I remember you defending him quite clearly since the start.
↑Metal Sonic wrote:lmfao, hiplop's vote is terrible as fuck, kill it
Well, yes. I admit that means between you/hiplop/Shakira that means it's unlikely you're all scum too unless you're going all L4D on us, but I happen to think that of the three, you're the most likely to be scum and from there I can figure out which of them is likely to be a buddy.
↑mastin2 wrote:Think I can compile a readslist, though.
Mac
Lying Cat
ZZZX
Ankamius
Tere
Cerberusv666
Jaqen Hghar
Wickedestjr
vezokpiraka
Kari <--This is the nullline.
ika
hiplop
Shakira Confirmed
Flubbernugget
Bins
Sonic Boom
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:I'll probably check Mastin if we get the cop tonight and I encourage others to do the same. I'm almost at the point where I don't care if I'm wrong about Mastin.
Problem with this, though, is that you're already conftown. You're in the chain already, via Sonic Boom's original investigation. The cop inventor handing the weak cop to you would, effectively, be abandoning the current chain to start a new one, in which case we'd be required to lynch Cerberus to confirm the old chain.
I'm presuming you (and the weak cop inventor) don't want that, so the only way I'm getting cop investigated is if the weak cop inventor hands the investigation to me, I live through the night, claim my result on Cerb (likely an innocent), and the next cop inventor target then is free to check me.
Who cares about following a chain.
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:
Uhh no. My scum read on you had nothing to do with you insulting people. I just commented on it because it really doesn't work in getting your voice heard.
And no, you can't be town for the same reason Mastin supposedly is.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:(I'm pretty sure this is one of sthar's posts too and with his shutting-lots-of-ppl-down tone here lately I'm feeling hints of his scumplay in the Team Mafia Mini Normal.)
1. Fucking poetry:
Playing in hydra
it is very important
to read partner's posts
Your slot is responsible for things your slot says. I get to respond to those things.
2. Nobody has presented a coupon for 'sthar holds your hand through obvious shit you should have seen the first time around' yet this game. Until someone does, I will continue to point out hilariously stupid things by saying how hilariously stupid they are. You may choose to reevaluate your incorrect opinions; I don't really give a damn.
3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we
are
uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.
4. Much like the ones from players who are probably scum, your scumread on me doesn't appear to come from much of anything. Please feel free to rectify this out of embarrassment.
↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:Cat, hypothetically if you were scum, would you night kill the weak cop inventor or the commute inventor first?
Double standard. Obviously you should answer my question before I answer yours. Can't really see why I'd want to help out the scumteam.
And I just answered your question if you're paying attention.
I once was in this other game off site. I was town and things were going great. Day 1 had a scum member come in drunk and obvscum it up. He was wagoned very near deadline but claimed doc so everyone just moved the vote onto the game's lurker in the last few minutes. I and what ended up being 4 other players caught another townie (the doc) saying something that implied he knew the scum was definitely lying. Thus, I (and them) knew who the doc was.
The next day the scumbutt pretended he was roleblocked so didn't manage to protect anyone. The actual doc visited me and I claimed this so he got lynched. (You are told the doc visits you on that site, as well as if you are roleblocked.)
Anyway, we ended up with a bunch of players with a few being certain one player was the doc. And we all sort of softed it in our reads. The doc was playing super scummy in a way that no one would naturally town read him, so it resulted in a few players having him in the strong town category for "reasons" while the others all claimed to suspect him.
The next night the doc wasn't killed.
Me and the other townies all knew the others knew who the doc was. Because he wasn't killed we decided to form a town bloc because we all had to be town or else the doc would be dead. Whenever someone else asked why we were town-reading each other, we just went like, "Believe it, we're town!"
Also, the bloc consisted of 4 town and 1 scum.
It turns out the scum all knew he was the doc and they just didn't bother killing him right away because his reads were so far off and they wanted to go after someone they thought was one of the other power roles.
Anyway, I was killed that night and the scum in our bloc went on to do a really good bus of one of his teammates and went on to win the game for his team. In the end, I learned to never make assumptions like that again. I wouldn't assume people are town after one night of not killing a person I knew they knew were a power role.
The point of this is to say, I have no trust for people who just claim ambiguous reasons for town reading people and expect others to believe it.
The End.
-Flum
Irrelevant being the key word here. I know what I'm doing. I have a track record that supports that. I'm not blindly blocking with my townreads.
It is ... interesting... that your townread on ika amounts to 'just trust me' given that story though. Also making assumptions about what information is valuable to the town. I'm open to evidence that you can setup-break a game on your own.
Show of good faith: there is a (highly improbable) universe in which mastin is scum. If we're in it, we will know well before endgame. I assume you understand why we're not lynching sonic boom today, right? You can consider the above to be the same argument about mastin.
1. Fair enough. Didn't remember Marq saying that. I don't necessarily disagree with Marq's reasoning anyway.
2. I don't give a damn that you don't give a damn.
3.
4. Oh yea, I'm just super embarrassed. When almost everyone thinks your scummy, it obviously means every other player is an idiot, and you alone are the smart one. There is certainly no chance you are actually genuinely scummy and in the wrong. Also, the town isn't daft. I'm sure all the players have been fully aware why you and Mastin have been town reading each other for quite some time and we still think you're scummy.
I'm not saying to trust us on the Ika read. I'm asking the town to give him one more day.
The story isn't saying I don't trust your competence if you're town.
Exercise gives you endorphins.
Endorphins make you happy.
Happy people just don't shoot their husbands.
They just don't!
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:It's really just PoE for me LC. Half the game is lurking, and I feel like we need a lynch of someone who's had actual substance and content. Out of those who have substance and content who I don't have firmly as town, there's yourself and flubber. It really has very little to do with making a case against you, or anything like that.
Also, you're not obvtown.
LC is obvtown. You're just scum trying to mislynch stuff.
Also how do the gears in your head turn? You seem that half the players are lurking so you decide to lynch someone that posts so that now 2/3 of the players will be lurking. Very pro-town logic. Town apathy wins games.
You also said in the beginning you hate lurkers. That's how you motivated your flames vote.
Also we aren't anywhere near LyLo. We still have time to push some lurkers yet you decide that LC is a great wagon.
Can you be more transparent as scum?
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↑Shakira Confirmed wrote:1. Fair enough. Didn't remember Marq saying that. I don't necessarily disagree with Marq's reasoning anyway.
2. I don't give a damn that you don't give a damn.
3.
4. Oh yea, I'm just super embarrassed. When almost everyone thinks your scummy, it obviously means every other player is an idiot, and you alone are the smart one. There is certainly no chance you are actually genuinely scummy and in the wrong. Also, the town isn't daft. I'm sure all the players have been fully aware why you and Mastin have been town reading each other for quite some time and we still think you're scummy.
a)
I'm not saying to trust us on the Ika read. I'm asking the town to give him one more day.
b)
The story isn't saying I don't trust your competence if you're town.
1. I'm still waiting to find out what your tongue tastes like.
2. Then I am unsure what you hope to accomplish
3. Don't blame me, blame anti for putting an uninformed masonizer into the game.
4. five-ish players have called me scummy, not a single one has said why, and only two (?) have voted for me. There's a word for that, and it rhymes with "plumdriven."
a) I'm questioning your understanding of the written english language. I keep using words like 'why' and symbols like '?' but they seem to have no effect on you.
↑Lying Cat wrote:
4. five-ish players have called me scummy, not a single one has said why, and only two (?) have voted for me.
Except, you know, a man is doing just that yesterday and reaffirming it today. But please, feel free in explaining how a plan which is explicitly telling scum who is being investigated so that investigation can be messed with if its scum who are being investigated
five-ish players have called me scummy, not a single one has said why, and only two (?) have voted for me. There's a word for that, and it rhymes with "plumdriven."