Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Fluminator]

Marq is leaving the site so I guess I'll replace the hydra.

[Kari]

gut reads. only thing i rely on.

im about to fall asleep because of my pain meds. im unsure when ill have time tomorrow

[Aristophanes]

Town conf-ish: SB & SC

Town lean: Nacho, Mastin, Jaquen, Wicked, Cerb

Null: Ika, Vezok, TSO

Scum lean: Kari, Flubber

The town leans are all strong posters and I haven't seen much to make me think otherwise. I don't get Mastin's insistence on Wicked-scum as he is one of my top town-reads.

The nulls I forget about both before and after each post, likely scum there somewhere. Would have to reread them to know.

Scum leans aren't necessarily strong, and Kari should rightly be with the nulls, but of the nulls, the lack of anything is very prominent and they have done nothing to rectify this. It reads as lazy lurker-scum to me. Flubber reads scummy to me. He's saying lots but not really trying to solve anything it seems. Doesn't rub me the right way at all.

Ninja'd by Kari
Oh...well I hope all is well personally with you. Sincerely I do.

[Jaqen Hghar]

gut reads. only thing i rely on.

im about to fall asleep because of my pain meds. im unsure when ill have time tomorrow

Nacho- this ringing any Rach Marie in Xeno bells?

[mastin2]

Mastin: your setup spec could be wrong, stop it.

Could be wrong, yes.

Is likely to be wrong, HECK no.

Especially given that I'm ME. You might not know this, but setups are just kinda what I DO. I might not do consistent gamebreaking with them, but I hold a scarily good grasp on them the VAST majority of the time, and am on the Normal Review Group for good reason--I have an eye for knowing balance and more than that, I also have been in a fair number of Antihero games. So while I'm not infallible, I'm reasonably reliable, so I can say these things with a good degree of certainty.

You don't even know the alignment of any of the inventors.

Again, 13v4 games generally are going to be incredibly scumsided unless you beef the town up with some serious power. Weak cop + commute are perfect for that, giving defensive and investigative powers which feature a double-sworded edge.

WDPT

You mean the game I only started playing heavily during, what, lylo?
Of course I'm not going to be accurate in a game I haven't played in.

But in a game where I've been in there from the start, I'm going to have a much firmer grasp on things.

Work from the world you know, the world as it is, not the world as you imagine it is.

The world as I know is that the commuter is giving the commute to probable nightkill targets, and thus is town.

I didn't read your flow chart. Does it say you are town?

Essentially?

Yes.

Go read it yourself. It's pretty dang accurate. Not foolproof, but a solid guide to reading/interacting with me. A roadmap to the way my mind works as town and as scum, as it were.

Are you still saying Mac is 100% town? Now might be a good idea to say why if he is.

There were actually two reasons. I want to hold off on one for as long as humanly possible (even though the longer I hold off on it the more infuriating it's going to be), the other I want to hold off on until tomorrow at the earliest. (A while back, I read my own iso and I said D4 originally, not D3. Plus our D2 was effectively an extended D1 anyway, soyeah. Not today, tomorrow, for that one.)

/120.

[mastin2]

Unvote. Vote: Kari

(L-2) which might as well be L-1
Claim time.

Goddammit.

Kari's town, isn't she?

VOTE: Wicked.

There's still time to do this.

I'm not voting for ika--he could be scum, he could be town, I'm not making the call either way.
I'm not voting for Aristophanes--he is town.
And now I really, really don't want to vote for Kari, either.

I'm not sure who the scum are.

But dammit. Wicked's one of them, and this was NOT a bus-vote.
So Kari is town, Wicked's not.

And yes I'm aware there's an incoming deadline. Like I said, Wicked's scum.
I could maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayybe vote for Flubber, but while Flubber's probscum, he's not defscum.

Wicked just...everything about him SCREAMS scum.

[mastin2]

Still would prefer Wicked, though.

I still don't really see what I'm missing in Wicked.

I'm not sure how you

can't

see it there.

It's just...there's no town motivation there at all. His posting's strategic, precise. Opportunistic. I'm not really sure how I can describe it. It's just...really not town. I don't see genuine thoughts at all. All I see is just...scum.

[mastin2]

The lynches I would endorse today are Kari, Ari, Vezok, and you with you and vezok far behind the first two.

Vezok right now is pretty much on the same tier as ika, btw. He could be town, he could be scum, I really can't tell right now, but I'd massively, MASSIVELY prefer to lynch someone who's without a doubt scum, and that person's Wicked.

(And Cerb's off-limits, too. Leave him for the weak cop tonight.)

[mastin2]

Mastin: Woah! Hey Bro. That's awesome we're scum together. Cat: No way. That's awesome. We're going to win this. Mastin: You want to do something crazy that will go down in the history books?!! Cat: What??? Mastin: Let's blatantly buddy up to each other in a way so obvious and form a town bloc based off [redacted]. After that, we'll dominate the conversation and buddy the heck out of people who have similar reads to us, and attack the credibility of everyone who disagrees with our reads.

Meh.
Been there, done that.

"...Huh?"

Yeah, I did

that exact thing

(almost down to the exact dialog) in my first extremely-infamous scumgame, Anything Goes. I basically went, quite literally, "Nice! We're scum together! That's awesome. I've got this radical idea: how about this game, we form a townbloc made exclusively out of scum? That is, every single member of the townbloc is scum, allowing us to dominate the game. Nobody would suspect it because nobody does that these days!"

I mean, circumstances dictated that it didn't

quite

work out to plan (our entire scumteam was called out by AFB, and me as the last scum got called scum correctly by a living lylo player Brian Skies for having townread every single scum name after they had died and we still lived), but ultimately we DID end up winning anyway.

Incidentally, I also basically managed it in Attack on Titan, albeit not winning the game. (That game was a solid game by both factions, so I'm

proud

I lost to that town. We didn't lose because we were weak, we lost because we were strong yet the town was

slightly

stronger, in particular having one lategame replacement who ended up being the one who most decisively called the otherwise-widely-townread scum to be correctly scum.) All three scum lead wagons D1 prior to my entrance-->"Screw this, we're going to have to work as a team to win this game"-->we did-->we put up a solid fight and ALMOST won. (Shame the rollback ate it.)

Generally as scum, I never utilize the same strategy twice. I might use something similar, but one of the things about my scumgame is that it's so. dang. GOOD. that one of the reasons I deliberately change it is simply for the challenge to make things interesting. I've developed a full repertoire of Boring But Practical scum moves, yet they simply don't appeal to me anymore because of that, and excessive buddying is exactly that. (Generally nowadays my scumbuddies will be in various middle spots in my reads, never too high and never too low, because I find I have the most flexibility that way.)

[Fluminator]

Cool story. I know Brian Skies.
I'm going to be a little demotivated for awhile, so I'll just be hanging.

[Fluminator]

Kari might be scum with you instead of Ari. Decisions. Decisions.

[Fluminator]

Town conf-ish: SB & SC

Town lean: Nacho, Mastin, Jaquen, Wicked, Cerb

Null: Ika, Vezok, TSO

Scum lean: Kari, Flubber

You forgot about Cat.

[Fluminator]

Inb4 the commute inventor doesn't even exist. That would be pretty funny.

[vezokpiraka]

Inb4 the commute inventor doesn't even exist. That would be pretty funny.

Nobody claimed a fourth invention so the chances are pretty small.

[Fluminator]

3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we

are

uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.

UNVOTE:
Nacho, please tell me if this is true. You haven't commented on it.

[Fluminator]

It's probably time to say this.
Yo inventor who invented me yesterday. I visited Cat last night.
(I also visited Jaqen the first night but the result was less interesting.)

I'd really like Nacho and Cat to go into more detail on this right now because something is definitely fishy.

[Nachomamma8]

3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we

are

uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.

UNVOTE:
Nacho, please tell me if this is true. You haven't commented on it.

I commuted last night so he didn't do shit to me.

[Nachomamma8]

But dammit. Wicked's one of them, and this was NOT a bus-vote.
So Kari is town, Wicked's not.

So if Kari flips town, you'll drop your suspicion on Wicked? I'd make a town case on him if I thought it would help, but.

[Nachomamma8]

The town leans are all strong posters and I haven't seen much to make me think otherwise. I don't get Mastin's insistence on Wicked-scum as he is one of my top town-reads.

Your townleans have such a wide array of opinions and attacks that I'm surprised they all dwell up there with a "strong posters, never made me thought otherwise" type of read.

[Nachomamma8]

gut reads. only thing i rely on.

im about to fall asleep because of my pain meds. im unsure when ill have time tomorrow

Nacho- this ringing any Rach Marie in Xeno bells?

Funnily enough, I was thinking about Rach in Xeno. The pressure mounts, the sick posts get more and more frequent, and all the while there continues to be a complete absence of content.

It's the type of read that makes me feel like a duck because I have no doubt that the medical issues are true, but they still feel like their being used as an excuse.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Then a man isn't completely crazy. If it is getting there, a man will act accordingly.

[Jaqen Hghar]

One more Nacho- if Kari is flipping scum, how is this vote shift looking?

VOTE: Ari

Yeah, Kari's not on the lynchable list.

[Sonic Boom]

what if both flip scum??

What if both flip town again??

[Sonic Boom]

ftr I don't agree with that but I'm nonchalant

[Cerberus v666]

It's probably time to say this.
Yo inventor who invented me yesterday. I visited Cat last night.
(I also visited Jaqen the first night but the result was less interesting.)

I'd really like Nacho and Cat to go into more detail on this right now because something is definitely fishy.

More detail on what right now?

Less interesting result?

Also, the post made earlier about the mastin/LC/mac hydra thing is just funny enough that it makes me want to lynch mac's slot just in case that's what's going on.