Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Cerberus v666]

Oh, the uninformed masonized thing. Also, that post I was referencing above also said something about crumbing a power role for mac/ari? I don't recall reading any such thing, but perhaps i just missed it?

[ika]

Shakira Confirmed
Kari
Wickedestjr
Jaqen Hghar
Flubbernugget
Cerberus v666
Nachomamma8
-------- line of lynchabilty
Sonic Boom
Lying Cat
mastin2
vezokpiraka
Aristophanes
T S O

also i like how lying is misreping my meta and fails to realize thats not how my scum meta works. also i have already stated that titus hardly knows about my meta either. there is only one perosn who knows it to the point and argubly knows it better then me

[Cerberus v666]

Ika, why is sonic less lynchable than me? I said I received a town result from my weak cop on sonic. If I'm not lynchable, there's no way sonic should be.

[Sonic Boom]

ika i was cop clear -___-


also ika looks town btw although i dunno i'll let titus do it

[ika]

ika i was cop clear -___-


also ika looks town btw although i dunno i'll let titus do it

i know your just policy

[Sonic Boom]

Wow...something resembling a scumread from ika that's not us...

Still fuck you and your "policy" though.

~Titus

[ika]

Wow...something resembling a scumread from ika that's not us...

Still fuck you and your "policy" though.

~Titus

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[Wickedestjr]

ika why is Kari so high up on your list? I apologize if I've missed something, but I remember you were suspicious of her predecessor and can't remember you saying anything about Kari.

[Wickedestjr]

LC has been a POE-scumread for a while now.

@nacho, mastin
This doesn't jive with 'maybe a lurker, but lets give them some more time.

Please explain.

I think you are LYING.

Please explain...

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, if Kari claims VT, what does that make you think? If she claims an inventor, what then? How about some other power role?

Well, Kari has already claimed (sorry). She has put so little effort into this game that I wouldn't expect her to claim inventor or power role if she were scum. So if she

had

claimed an inventor or power role, I would town read it. Vanilla townie is pretty null.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: mastin2

She is scum. Let’s lynch her PLEASE.

The world as I know is that the commuter is giving the commute to probable nightkill targets, and thus is town.

I’ve already explained why this is wrong, you ignored me. If the commute inventor is scum, then they already know who is getting night killed and they could theoretically just give their commute to some other townish/nightkillable player. I’m starting to think the commute inventor is scum with you (if it’s not you).

It's just...there's no town motivation there at all. His posting's strategic, precise. Opportunistic.

You have played with me more than any other player on this site. You should know that this is how I

always

post.

Opportunistic? Not true. I had a pretty strong scum read on hiplop, but all my other votes have been attempts to start bandwagons or compromise votes for Bins/Kari because nobody would follow me on the other votes. This is exactly how I played in Organic Chemistry. I wanted bandwagons on players like pirate mollie, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, etc., nobody followed me, so I compromised voted players like MTD and beastcharizard instead. Not opportunism - it’s compromise voting to prevent a less desired outcome.

I'd massively, MASSIVELY prefer to lynch someone who's

without a doubt

scum, and that person's Wicked.

This is where I know you are lying. If you were town, then you should have a slight reservation in your mind (I know because I’m playing exactly how I always play). But you are scum that is trying to play to your town meta of always scum reading me.

@TOWN

mastin has played with me more than anyone else on mafiascum (six times). She was not mafia in five of those games. Of those five games, she has incorrectly read me in four. And the only game where she read me correctly, it was because of my interactions with her stronger scum read, not because of my play. Take a gander at these;

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Tough Guy Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18365

The Survivors

Horrifying Hero (hydra with mastin) - Vanilla Townie
Wickedestjr - Town Cop

Confirm

VOTE: Wickedestjr

There is no universe where he is town in this game.

The concise version?

Wicked is living, breathing scum who bleeds off scumtells in every single one of his posts.

Seriously, there's no more concise way than that.

The only way to describe it other than that is to quote every post Wicked's done and explain exactly why he's scum. And I do mean it--I can quote every single post he's done and point out all the scumminess within. He has literally zero town posts this game.

-Wicked's posts are extremely artificial, giving off the feeling of being carefully constructed rather than naturally posted. They show consistent scum Tone, consistently show a scum mind-set, have a constant scum Motive, and declare themselves as a scum intention.

Spoiler: Exhibit B

The People Who Are Still Alive:

10) Wickedestjr

Mafia JOAT

survives.

13) mastin2

1-shot Bulletproof Serial Killer

, survives.

i think wicked is likely town.

At this point, even if he's scum he's still town because dammit, he's just so damn town in his recent posting. (Mind you, I've always read him as scum when he's town so me having a townread is making me paranoid that this time he's actually scum. But screw paranoia, I'm sticking to that townread.)

Wicked and beast are my two strongest townreads.

Wicked's still QUITE town-looking to me.

TL;DR-
mastin has played with me more than any other player on this site, yet she has the worst track record when it comes to reading me. Even for a very confident player like her, it doesn't make sense for her to scum read me with zero doubt right now. I have answered all her questions, explained why all her points are wrong. Oh and I'm town. Her attack feels super fake.

[Cerberus v666]

Unvote. Vote: mastin2

She is scum. Let’s lynch her PLEASE.

The world as I know is that the commuter is giving the commute to probable nightkill targets, and thus is town.

I’ve already explained why this is wrong, you ignored me. If the commute inventor is scum, then they already know who is getting night killed and they could theoretically just give their commute to some other townish/nightkillable player. I’m starting to think the commute inventor is scum with you (if it’s not you).

It's just...there's no town motivation there at all. His posting's strategic, precise. Opportunistic.

You have played with me more than any other player on this site. You should know that this is how I

always

post.

Opportunistic? Not true. I had a pretty strong scum read on hiplop, but all my other votes have been attempts to start bandwagons or compromise votes for Bins/Kari because nobody would follow me on the other votes. This is exactly how I played in Organic Chemistry. I wanted bandwagons on players like pirate mollie, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, etc., nobody followed me, so I compromised voted players like MTD and beastcharizard instead. Not opportunism - it’s compromise voting to prevent a less desired outcome.

I'd massively, MASSIVELY prefer to lynch someone who's

without a doubt

scum, and that person's Wicked.

This is where I know you are lying. If you were town, then you should have a slight reservation in your mind (I know because I’m playing exactly how I always play). But you are scum that is trying to play to your town meta of always scum reading me.

@TOWN

mastin has played with me more than anyone else on mafiascum (six times). She was not mafia in five of those games. Of those five games, she has incorrectly read me in four. And the only game where she read me correctly, it was because of my interactions with her stronger scum read, not because of my play. Take a gander at these;

Spoiler: Exhibit A

Tough Guy Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18365

The Survivors

Horrifying Hero (hydra with mastin) - Vanilla Townie
Wickedestjr - Town Cop

Confirm

VOTE: Wickedestjr

There is no universe where he is town in this game.

The concise version?

Wicked is living, breathing scum who bleeds off scumtells in every single one of his posts.

Seriously, there's no more concise way than that.

The only way to describe it other than that is to quote every post Wicked's done and explain exactly why he's scum. And I do mean it--I can quote every single post he's done and point out all the scumminess within. He has literally zero town posts this game.

-Wicked's posts are extremely artificial, giving off the feeling of being carefully constructed rather than naturally posted. They show consistent scum Tone, consistently show a scum mind-set, have a constant scum Motive, and declare themselves as a scum intention.

Spoiler: Exhibit B

The People Who Are Still Alive:

10) Wickedestjr

Mafia JOAT

survives.

13) mastin2

1-shot Bulletproof Serial Killer

, survives.

i think wicked is likely town.

At this point, even if he's scum he's still town because dammit, he's just so damn town in his recent posting. (Mind you, I've always read him as scum when he's town so me having a townread is making me paranoid that this time he's actually scum. But screw paranoia, I'm sticking to that townread.)

Wicked and beast are my two strongest townreads.

Wicked's still QUITE town-looking to me.

TL;DR-
mastin has played with me more than any other player on this site, yet she has the worst track record when it comes to reading me. Even for a very confident player like her, it doesn't make sense for her to scum read me with zero doubt right now. I have answered all her questions, explained why all her points are wrong. Oh and I'm town. Her attack feels super fake.

Weak argument. "She's been wrong about me most of the time, so, even though she's extremely confident/cocky in general, surely this time she'll realize she might be wrong."

I'm not saying she isn't scum, but I don't really think your assertion that Mastin would have more doubt in her own read just because of a little thing like being wrong in the past holds much water.

Mastin, in regards to WDPT: At the point in the game you were at, it was super easy to(and I'm assuming you did this) just look at all the flips so far, and see that the setup everyone was assuming had to have been wrong, when the game didn't end with BB's lynch. I'm 100% only talking about the late game, the part of the game where you started participating. Sure, your reads etc. can be excused as being poor at that point, but your ability to evaluate the setup? You entered the game at the point at which you would be most capable of evaluating the setup, and yet you chose to continue working off bad assumptions, which were demonstrated as bad by virtue of the games continuance, rather than starting over.

I'm not doubting that setup and balance are your "thing." I just know that in my limited experience with you, you proved unwilling to reevaluate given new information, and that's what I'm warning against.

[T S O]

Wicked - your sudden attack on mastin doesn't particularly gel with your post, which mainly explains how mediocre you feel mastin is at reading at you. If mastin is scum, this isn't a misread, so it feels like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

[T S O]

Ika's town, I agree with Nacho there. Sorry, LC.

[T S O]

I could definitely see Wicked-scum, because based off the one scumgame I remember him in this seems pretty similar.

[T S O]

Yeah, Kari is just as good a lynch as Aristo. Nothing said recently alleviates this, and #2806 in particular makes me want her dead.

[T S O]

Sonic Boom-thing will never actually win this game due to the suspicion on it so it doesn't worry me. SC is probably town, sad to hear Marquis is leaving though! Cerberus is town? Compelete guess. Aristo strikes me as being pretty unremarkable in terms of reads and the way he's not standing out at all feels almost purposeful. I'm not townreading LC, but it would take something big to cause me to. At least one of mastin and LC is town, though, so presumably they both are.

I'm not sure if the last two lines make sense but it did in my head.

We really need a fucking lynch, guys, nothing's happening.

[Wickedestjr]

Weak argument. "She's been wrong about me most of the time, so, even though she's extremely confident/cocky in general, surely this time she'll realize she might be wrong."

I'm not saying she isn't scum, but I don't really think your assertion that Mastin would have more doubt in her own read just because of a little thing like being wrong in the past holds much water.

It's not a weak argument.

Firstly, the problem isn't that she scum reads me. The problem is her unbelievable certainty. It's especially unbelievable when I know that she's wrong once again.

Secondly, this;

It's just...there's no town motivation there at all. His posting's strategic, precise. Opportunistic.

I'd massively, MASSIVELY prefer to lynch someone who's without a doubt scum, and that person's Wicked.

is almost an exact replica of Exhibit A. Read the quotes from that game and tell me I'm wrong.

Thirdly, getting it wrong almost every time and then having no doubt about it this time is not a "little thing". You are severely undermining it. Makes me think you could be her partner.

[T S O]

The more you push mastin as scum while explaining how she's always misread you as town, the more uncomfortable I get, Wicked.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked - your sudden attack on mastin doesn't particularly gel with your post, which mainly explains how mediocre you feel mastin is at reading at you.

mastin's perfectly aware of it though. She knows that it is her town meta to scum read me and I said earlier on in this game (before you replaced in) that I thought it was a town tell for players to misrep me. "Because she always does it" is NOT an excuse for her to continue doing it here. You're being ridiculous. Her unusual certainty is what makes this game different. This is the first time since Tough Guy where she has expressed absolute certainty.

If mastin is scum, this isn't a misread, so it feels like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

This doesn't make any sense!

I could definitely see Wicked-scum, because based off the one scumgame I remember him in this seems pretty similar.

Have you seen my town play before? I think my town play is very similar to my scum play. There are differences, but they are certainly not what mastin's voting me for.

[Fluminator]

We'll save Mastin for another day. She might be best to be cop checked tonight. Cerb is probably town anyway.
I can also guarantee 100% that Lying Cat is Lying (heh) about what he did last night. Doesn't mean he's scum because he could be confident and dumb enough to lie as town. But keep that in mind if I'm not around tomorrow.
VOTE: Aristophanes

[Cerberus v666]

Weak argument. "She's been wrong about me most of the time, so, even though she's extremely confident/cocky in general, surely this time she'll realize she might be wrong."

I'm not saying she isn't scum, but I don't really think your assertion that Mastin would have more doubt in her own read just because of a little thing like being wrong in the past holds much water.

It's not a weak argument.

Firstly, the problem isn't that she scum reads me. The problem is her unbelievable certainty. It's especially unbelievable when I know that she's wrong once again.

Secondly, this;

It's just...there's no town motivation there at all. His posting's strategic, precise. Opportunistic.

I'd massively, MASSIVELY prefer to lynch someone who's without a doubt scum, and that person's Wicked.

is almost an exact replica of Exhibit A. Read the quotes from that game and tell me I'm wrong.

Thirdly, getting it wrong almost every time and then having no doubt about it this time is not a "little thing". You are severely undermining it.

Makes me think you could be her partner.

You're allowed to be wrong too, just like she is. <<In reference to the part I bolded.

Anyways, I think you're severely overestimating her ability to look back at those games and realize she's wrong and should perhaps reevaluate the way she reads your slot. I simply find it more likely that she's simply wrong about your slot again, and falling prey to the same issues with reading you that led her to declare with certainly a read that was incorrect in the past, than that she's maliciously pushing for your lynch as scum.

No offense intended Mastin, but it's just been my experience that confident and experienced players don't go around second guessing their way of reading a certain person just because it led them astray in the past.

pedit: So, last night you targeted LC with the mystery invention. LC claimed to have performed an action targeted on someone last night, and you claim that whatever he said he did, couldn't have possibly happened. Why didn't you say this earlier/why aren't you more vocal about calling for his lynch?

[Wickedestjr]

Anyways, I think you're severely overestimating her ability to look back at those games and realize she's wrong and should perhaps reevaluate the way she reads your slot.

I know for a fact that she hasn't forgotten those games that I linked.

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP:

-She has told me that she didn't forget about Tough Guy.
-She nominated my scum team for a scummie after the other game ended.

No way she is ignoring those games if she is town here.

[Cerberus v666]

I'm not saying she's forgotten them. I'm saying PEOPLE ARE STUBBORN. They don't like to admit they were wrong, or to reevaluate themselves to determine why they were wrong. Especially people like mastin who have a history of being right, it would seem. That's the main thrust of why I feel your argument is weak. It's not invalid, but it's certainly not enough reason alone to lynch her.