Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Fluminator]

3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we

are

uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.

Because when he first said this, it was too late at night and I was too tired to realize the ramifications of it until I re-read it.

Lying Cat, did the mod not inform you your action failed if nacho commuted?

[Wickedestjr]

I'm not saying she's forgotten them. I'm saying PEOPLE ARE STUBBORN. They don't like to admit they were wrong, or to reevaluate themselves to determine why they were wrong. Especially people like mastin who have a history of being right, it would seem. That's the main thrust of why I feel your argument is weak. It's not invalid, but it's certainly not enough reason alone to lynch her.

Maybe she is stubborn, but she has shown that she's not

this

stubborn as town;

Last time I played with mastin, this game, she was in the Horrifying Hero hydra and had a very very strong scum read on me starting from the bottom of page 1. I've never played with somebody so certain that I was scum, even though I was town and eventually forced to claim cop. Granted it was a few years back, but I have a hard time believing mastin forgot.

Actually...I didn't. That's the same reason I haven't voted you. (Well, aside from the votes already on you.) I had that game specifically in mind when thinking of you, because frankly, it's the only game I remembered.

[Wickedestjr]

She thought I was scum in that game, but refrained from voting me

because

she had remembered misreading me in the past.

I see no hesitance from her right now.

[Fluminator]

Believe me Wicked. I get where you're coming from 100%. She treated me and Marq similar day 1. (And Sonic Boom for the first 2 days.)
She's not a good lynch for today though on the off chance she is just this delusional about her skill though.

[Cerberus v666]

LC: How is your uninformed masonizing claim any different than Bins' "neighborizer" ability? It sounds identical.

Hmm. Valid point Wicked. Cognitive dissonance or scum play.

Mastin, what changed between the post quoted by wicked and now to make you certain you were wrong, when you are well aware that you have what appears to be a very low chance of reading him correctly?

[Fluminator]

At first I thought there was a chance Cat was trying to draw the night-kill on behalf of someone, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Flubbernugget]

I'm starting to think aristo is lost/uninterested in this game. But not enough to move my vote.

Wicked you can't say your votes are compromises and then call mine opportunistic

[Wickedestjr]

Believe me Wicked. I get where you're coming from 100%. She treated me and Marq similar day 1. (And Sonic Boom for the first 2 days.)
She's not a good lynch for today though on the off chance she is just this delusional about her skill though.

If nobody wants to join me on this, I'll switch back to Kari. But I see no reason why this makes her a better lynch tomorrow as opposed to today... There's a good chance Kari's scum, but it still feels like a shot in the dark to some extent because of her limited posting (and I still don't see why Aristo has votes).

I'm frustrated that Cerb and T S O are trying to paint this as similar to her town meta.

[Fluminator]

Believe me Wicked. I get where you're coming from 100%. She treated me and Marq similar day 1. (And Sonic Boom for the first 2 days.)
She's not a good lynch for today though on the off chance she is just this delusional about her skill though.

If nobody wants to join me on this, I'll switch back to Kari. But I see no reason why this makes her a better lynch tomorrow as opposed to today... There's a good chance Kari's scum, but it still feels like a shot in the dark to some extent because of her limited posting (and I still don't see why Aristo has votes).

I'm frustrated that Cerb and T S O are trying to paint this as similar to her town meta.

There is one reason. And it frustrates me greatly that it exists.
Also, why not Aristophanes instead?

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked you can't say your votes are compromises and then call mine opportunistic

There's a difference between you and I.

Me: I vote for players that I think are scum (independently of what others think) and if I can't get another wagon going, then I'll try something else. I keep doing this until deadline gets close - in which case I compromise. e.g. Today I've voted ika, you, and mastin.

You: Aside from your vote for Jaqen, I believe EVERY vote that you've cast has been on an already existing bandwagon.

Not the same, but nice try.

[Wickedestjr]

@Fluminator-

I dislike the Aristo bandwagon. I had a strong gut feeling that Mac was town. The two points against that slot are (correct me if I'm wrong)
-Mac's page 5 bandwagon (with two confirmed townies on it) didn't take off... hmm maybe that's because it was based on page 5 logic
-Aristo is the one replacement that didn't really contribute anything... he's also the one replacement that promised to read, somehow this is more voteworthy than Kari

Wrt Aristo, he needs to contribute more, but I'm willing to give him more time. I literally just finished a game with him where I correctly had a strong townread on him. Admittedly, I haven't seen him as scum and I haven't seen anything from him telling in this game, but I do think that I can read him if he starts putting more effort in.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm done for today

[Flubbernugget]

Wicked you can't say your votes are compromises and then call mine opportunistic

There's a difference between you and I.

Me: I vote for players that I think are scum (independently of what others think) and if I can't get another wagon going, then I'll try something else. I keep doing this until deadline gets close - in which case I compromise. e.g. Today I've voted ika, you, and mastin.

You: Aside from your vote for Jaqen, I believe EVERY vote that you've cast has been on an already existing bandwagon.

Not the same, but nice try.

I've tried Cerb and jaqen

You've tried me and mas

This is what I remember off the top of my head so am I missing stuff?

[Cerberus v666]

Wicked: how am I trying to paint this as similar to her town meta? I don't even know her town meta. I just know from what I've read that she's extremely confident.

[Fluminator]

Re-read Mac's iso and he did less than I originally thought. The first chunk is nothing but defending from his sarcastic "You caught me" joke.
He also throws suspicion on me and Sonic Boom.
He always seems to be careful about it though. Like

tere

do you see what I think I see in these latest metal sonic posts?

He later in the day finally starts playing a little at 849 and on.
Cerb is town for being agreeable.
Cat is town for yelling at Ika to not quickhammer.
Scum readish on Jaqen for declaring Gorkington's replace out was scum. (This is actually a pretty good reason on Mac's part)
Stronger scum read on Sonic for pushing a ZZZX lynch.
Town reads ZZZX from the Sonic push.
Scum reads Flubber.
Calls Hiplop's vote on Sonic horrible and votes Hiplop.
Eventually agrees with Jaqen that his reasons for Bins being scum have sound reasoning.
Votes my slot for voting Hiplop saying it's opportunistic.
Calls Tere's response to Hiplop awful and indicative of her scum game.
Maybe changes his mind on Bins near the end and asks everyone to give her space.
Continued Flubber scum read.
Says Mastin is prob town but he's wary of her.
Keeps vote parked on me all the way until deadline.

Then he loses interest and replaces out next day.
What does it mean?

[Jaqen Hghar]

3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we

are

uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.

Because when he first said this, it was too late at night and I was too tired to realize the ramifications of it until I re-read it.

Lying Cat, did the mod not inform you your action failed if nacho commuted?

This one is missing the fact there would be a PT these are sharing...

[Cerberus v666]

So you're scumreading Nacho as well as LC now Jaqen?

[Jaqen Hghar]

By POE, one or both of TSO and Nacho are scum. A man is saying as much ages ago

[Cerberus v666]

Ah yes, from the wagon on hiplop right? Gotcha. Why Nacho rather than TSO? Because of the association happening here with LC, who you believe is scum for reasons independent from your tso/nacho POE? Or something else?

[Lying Cat]

you guys are idiots.

hold please

[Fluminator]

I predicted that response. XD

[Jaqen Hghar]

Ah yes, from the wagon on hiplop right? Gotcha. Why Nacho rather than TSO? Because of the association happening here with LC, who you believe is scum for reasons independent from your tso/nacho POE? Or something else?

This is a man's full list of suspicion, from greatest to least

Lying Cat
Sonic Boom
T S O
Kari
Aristophanes
Cerberus v666
Mastin2
Nachomamma8

The main point that's keeping Nacho here is that one's blatant disregard to comment on anything MS related a man has thrown out to him. A man is knowing that one is having much and more experience with Metal Sonic and that one being the talking head, Nacho should have plenty to say one way or the other.

That said, top to bottom lynching is still preferred. T S O should have towned it up by now and hasn't.

[Fluminator]

What is it with Sonic Boom still being scum read.

[Fluminator]

The only way Sonic is scum is if he's scum with Cerberus.

[vezokpiraka]

Sonic is town. Cerb is scum though.


Also I'm not sure how I feel about Kari anymore. There is a weird interaction between the ari and kari wagons.