Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Cerberus v666]

you guys are idiots.

hold please

That's pretty useless commentary. Care to expand on it?

Flum: Or if there's redirection involved.

[Jaqen Hghar]

The only way Sonic is scum is if he's scum with Cerberus.

By associations coming from Cerberus or from MS?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Welp, Cerb ruined that question preemptively...

[Cerberus v666]

Sorry Jaqen. You do know the forum shows a preview of things that have been posted, so you could have just not asked that question.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Actually, with my iPad i don't get pedits

[Fluminator]

Oh. are redirectors even a thing here? I've never seen one.

Do you have any completed town games yet Jaqen?

[Jaqen Hghar]

all but the last two games a man is playing is town.

[Cerberus v666]

Actually, with my iPad i don't get pedits

Oh, really? That is unfortunate. Another point against Apple! ^^

Flum, I'm certain redirectors are a thing, the question is just how common they are...and I suppose how likely it is that one exists in this game and is on the scum team.

Also, all you people who aren't actually saying who you'd target if given the weak cop...you're hurting the town by doing so. Assuming you follow through on your declared target, and you end up dying in the night, we find scum through the inventor teling us who they targeted. If you don't tell us who you're targeting, then all we can do is go to your reads lists and try to guess who you would have targeted.

[Fluminator]

Actually, with my iPad i don't get pedits

Also. Lol.
Apple.

[Lying Cat]

you guys are idiots.

hold please

That's pretty useless commentary. Care to expand on it?

Flum: Or if there's redirection involved.

calm your shit. i'm typing right now, but i also have work to do.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh. are redirectors even a thing here? I've never seen one.

If a Redirector is a thing, and

if

SB is scum, tinfoil says Flum is that Redirector (Bus Driver) as it is imperative to insulate that role with protection for that scum strategy to work. Though a man is recently taking flum from his list of suspicion (from the LC last night thing), that theory isn't completely forgotten. Bus Driver stil makes the most sense to balance Weak.

[Cerberus v666]

I still don't understand why you feel weak needs to be balanced. It's balanced in and of itself, since instead of pure investigation results, we sacrifice one for one for those guilties.

[Cerberus v666]

you guys are idiots.

hold please

That's pretty useless commentary. Care to expand on it?

Flum: Or if there's redirection involved.

calm your shit. i'm typing right now, but i also have work to do.

Fair enough. Maybe next time you could say "I think you're wrong. I'm working, but as soon as i get a chance I'll tell you why I think you're wrong."

Then you get to not call people idiots AND don't have to tell us to calm our shit.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A one for one trade with nothing to interfere with that is extremely weighted to the town side. That's why.

[Cerberus v666]

Jaqen, but it's strictly inferior to a normal cop. Are you saying a normal cop is extremely weighted to the town side?

[vezokpiraka]

Oh. are redirectors even a thing here? I've never seen one.

If a Redirector is a thing, and

if

SB is scum, tinfoil says Flum is that Redirector (Bus Driver) as it is imperative to insulate that role with protection for that scum strategy to work. Though a man is recently taking flum from his list of suspicion (from the LC last night thing), that theory isn't completely forgotten. Bus Driver stil makes the most sense to balance Weak.

Please tell me how do you come up with these theories.

You just called both conf towns scum with cerb.

Do you really believe this is possible?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Oh. are redirectors even a thing here? I've never seen one.

If a Redirector is a thing, and

if

SB is scum, tinfoil says Flum is that Redirector (Bus Driver) as it is imperative to insulate that role with protection for that scum strategy to work. Though a man is recently taking flum from his list of suspicion (from the LC last night thing), that theory isn't completely forgotten. Bus Driver stil makes the most sense to balance Weak.

Please tell me how do you come up with these theories.

You just called both conf towns scum with cerb.

Do you really believe this is possible?

It's not exactly difficult if you actually look for scum agenda instead of just what you agree/disagree with. Once you remove the impossible, whatever you're left with, regardless of how improbable it may seem, is the truth.

[Fluminator]

Oh. are redirectors even a thing here? I've never seen one.

If a Redirector is a thing, and

if

SB is scum, tinfoil says Flum is that Redirector (Bus Driver) as it is imperative to insulate that role with protection for that scum strategy to work. Though a man is recently taking flum from his list of suspicion (from the LC last night thing), that theory isn't completely forgotten. Bus Driver stil makes the most sense to balance Weak.

That would actually be pretty neat. If you're town, then I'm flattered you're considering it.

[Cerberus v666]

vezok: I actually think it's certainly possible, but it doesn't seem very likely.

I mean, what sequence of events lead to this play happening? Sonic as scum receives a weak cop N1, and knows that his team has redirection available(alternatively, the weak cop comes from scum, but this is even less likely than redirection in my opinion, given ZZZX's death last night). Sonic team goes for a big play that guarantees a win through fake conftowning and redirection on D5.

Given that I received the weak cop and know I'm town, the existence of this plan seems less likely than it did before, but to the rest of you it should certainly still be viewed as viable.

Let me work this out.

Sonic pretends to check SC. Suggests the FtC variant plan. From that point scum are golden as long as people follow the plan.
D3 now, 4 scum, and 10 town left, and 2 of the scum are "cleared". We mislynch today, 4 scum 9 town.
N3: If cerb is scum, redirect from cerb to town. If cerb is town, whatever, kill 1 town
D4: 4 scum, 8 town. Mislynch. 4 scum, 7 town.
N4: Redirect from the previous investigator to a member of your team, they die, kill 1 town.
D5: 4 scum, 5 town, 2 members of your team are 'cleared'(at least, depending on how the inventor handed out their invention), and you've framed the previous cop as being guilty. Get them lynched, win the game.

[Fluminator]

Maybe, maybe.
Has Mastin been right all along?

[Lying Cat]

Fair enough. Maybe next time you could say "I think you're wrong. I'm working, but as soon as i get a chance I'll tell you why I think you're wrong.

What the fuck did you think 'hold please' means?

[Lying Cat]

Jaqen, but it's strictly inferior to a normal cop. Are you saying a normal cop is extremely weighted to the town side?

it is... but that's irrelevant.

[Lying Cat]

flum is pretty obviously town, confirmed status aside.

[Cerberus v666]

Fair enough. Maybe next time you could say "I think you're wrong. I'm working, but as soon as i get a chance I'll tell you why I think you're wrong.

What the fuck did you think 'hold please' means?

The same thing, but combined with calling everyone idiots, phrased in an aggressive fashion.

Anyways, so regular cops are extremely town weighted? I'd disagree, but alright. Why is it irrelevant? Jaqen is trying to say that a cop with a weak modifier is so strong that there must be redirection in play on the scum side in order to balance it out. That seems relevant.

[Lying Cat]

It's probably time to say this.
Yo inventor who invented me yesterday. I visited Cat last night.
(I also visited Jaqen the first night but the result was less interesting.)

I'd really like Nacho and Cat to go into more detail on this right now because something is definitely fishy.

Fucking finally!

OK, so you got an investigative that doesn't give hard innocents, or you wouldn't be pushing me. I'm betting tracker or rolecop. If you got a rolecop, the person who gave you the invention should claim now because we can break the game with it. If you got a tracker, they should keep quiet and my first blush instinct is something I need to talk to jingle about so we're keeping it quiet for now.

You should keep quiet about what result you got. With either of those investigative results, you a) should know that you don't have a guilty on me and b) should already be able to see what I'm trying to accomplish with my play today. Both things are pretty clearly town-motivated if you stop and think about them.

I commuted last night so he didn't do shit to me.

That's what I said. Pay better attention.

also i like how lying is misreping my meta

You are either badly misusing that word or you don't know what it means. Define 'misrepping' for me.

LC has been a POE-scumread for a while now.

@nacho, mastin
This doesn't jive with 'maybe a lurker, but lets give them some more time.

Please explain.

I think you are LYING.

Please explain...

Given the amount of uncertainty in your reads, I don't think you're ready to do anything by PoE. I think you're bullshitting about your read on me, but I can't tell if you're doing it because you're lazy or scum. I brought it up to talk over with nacho and mastin in hopes of getting them engaged in a discussion.

Good enough?

Ika's town, I agree with Nacho there. Sorry, LC.

Yeah given his response I do too. I just needed somebody to talk it out with, and nobody responded when I asked nicely, so I poked his ego to make him talk to me.

I can also guarantee 100% that Lying Cat is Lying (heh) about what he did last night.

Oh OK tracker then. Good.

. LC claimed to have performed an action targeted on someone last night

nope. Read better.

At first I thought there was a chance Cat was trying to draw the night-kill on behalf of someone, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Please don't give scum advice.

3. Mastin is town for a different reason than I am. Though we

are

uninformed masons. I uninformed mazonized nacho's slot last night too, I'll choose TSO tonight.

Because when he first said this, it was too late at night and I was too tired to realize the ramifications of it until I re-read it.

Lying Cat, did the mod not inform you your action failed if nacho commuted?

OK let's put this baby to rest.

Mastin is town for reasons that will become apparent later in the game, or possibly with my death. The reasons are anti-town to discuss. There is a sliiight possibility that she is scum, but it will be resolved before endgame.

Because of that, mastin and I are effectively masons. We're not ACTUALLY masons though, because our role PM's don't confirm each other as town and we don't have a place to talk. So the joke is that we're masons without the extra information masons get, hence uninformed masons.

I also have a townread on nacho, despite having to threaten him to get him to discuss reads with me. So he gets to be Honorary Mason #3. I'm sure I'll have TSO sorted by tomorrow's dawn, so he gets to be 'visited by the masonizer' tonight.

The fact that I have to explain this in explicit terms is painful.



p-edit jacky you're abusing Sherlock Holmes in a most offensive fashion. It's even worse when the 'impossible' that you're eliminating is just 'Jacky being wrong.'