Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Sonic Boom]

Were you scumreading flubber? That's another point for me, right?

[Jaqen Hghar]

ehh I'm believing cerb for now

Riddle me this...

If that one is

A) believing the Cop Inventor to be town well before his death;

B) being a town inventor himself;

and

C) having a hunch the commute inventor is scum

then...

Why is that one shitting so hard all over what a man is seeing as scum's agenda in working the Weak in this game?

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. I've been shitty on you pretty hard when all your scumreads flipped town

A man is 1 and 2.

Remind a man...is flubb scum? How about hiplop? So, puh-leeazzzz with that dung!

[Jaqen Hghar]

Were you scumreading flubber? That's another point for me, right?

No. In fact a man is never scum reading flubbernugget

[Jaqen Hghar]

Were you scumreading flubber? That's another point for me, right?

No. In fact a man is never scum reading flubbernugget

And, no, you are as a man- 1 and 2 on your reads.

[Sonic Boom]

ehh I'm believing cerb for now

Riddle me this...

If that one is

A) believing the Cop Inventor to be town well before his death;

B) being a town inventor himself;

and

C) having a hunch the commute inventor is scum

then...

Why is that one shitting so hard all over what a man is seeing as scum's agenda in working the Weak in this game?

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. I've been shitty on you pretty hard when all your scumreads flipped town

A man is 1 and 2.

Remind a man...is flubb scum? How about hiplop? So, puh-leeazzzz with that dung!

I was townreading flubb, you shitter

Get mastin

[Sonic Boom]

Hiplop is only 1 right read. Your misread on bins and zzzx are already -2. In total you have -1 deficit score. No good

[Sonic Boom]

I really hope you were on the arist wagon

Because

That's 3 points

[Sonic Boom]

Ok you hammered him. Not too bad

[Jaqen Hghar]

I really hope you were on the arist wagon

Because

That's 3 points

This one is acting like they aren't remembering a man hammering that one.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Ok you hammered him. Not too bad

Stupid no effing pedits

[Sonic Boom]

Let's lynch mastina

[Jaqen Hghar]

Let's lynch mastina

Can't today, but a man is hearing you on specific reasons for tomorrow if he is making it through today. You are helping in that cause with voting the opposite of the way that ends with a man swinging. And a man is as mistaken as you are on a man on how he is thinking you read Flubb. And, again, we are tying. Taking good town reads into consideration along with bad scum reads both are 3 and 2.

[Cerberus v666]

Jaqen, I was the first person to suggest the cop inventor could be scum. Go read back if you don't believe me.

And? That one is flipping town and so this point is moot, besides your ISO is just chopped full,of gems like these showing EXACTLY what you are knowing

Weak cop, in this situation, wants to confirm town, to create a masonry. Seems legit to target the strongest town read.

You are right though, in my laying out of options I forgot about the weak modifier. Whoever gifted you knows the modifier on your power I would assume, so you can't lie about that...so there's no place or reason for a godfather in a game with weak cop powers.

I'm also not sure what the relevance of my thoughts on the commuter inventors alignment is. I was shitting in your insistence that there was definitely redirection in play. This is also something I said earlier, but I'll repeat it for you. If the scum knew they'd be investigated and controlled the commute inventor, all gifting it to the likely target would do is deny them a free kill on town (assuming we're all announcing targets etc, as planned ). There is nothing good in that for scum.

Well, except for the part where scum is gaining "conftown" status when that inventor isn't dying. But perhaps that wouldn't be as beneficial as a one-for-one trade...

Weak cop means the person investigating, if they receive a guilty, will never be able to tell town. If the target commutes, they live, and their target gets lynched anyways because it's extremely anti-town to commute when you know you're going to be investigated.

Also...ate? Emotions have no place in this game.

Yes, because appealing to town fear of "if you A, then B will happen" is never working...again...

I deal in facts. I don't see any way for me to confirm to sonic that I know exactly what invention I gave them without exposing said invention to scum. Without confirming it, Sonic just has to decide if I'm telling the truth or not

Also, before you go off half cocked...can you tell me under what circumstances scum in my slot would make this play?

IOW- "Do you really think I'm stupid enough to do this as scum?"- Yep, a man is seeing you do such a thing.

I'm sure you'll be able to manage the mental gymnastics necessary to convince yourself this would somehow make sense as scum, I'm just interested in seeing how you manage it.

For the rest of the rational ones out there, the only question you should have about me isn't "is he an inventor or not". It is "Is he a scum inventor." The fact that I'm the inventor im claiming to be should be obvious.

Protip: Check my reads list D1. Guess who's my strongest town read? Guess who I gave the invention to?

And yes Jaqen, I self confirmed in thread because I knew.I was town. That same knowledge also lead to my thoughts that one of the other two could very well be scum.

Let's get it on!

Gladiate Cerebus

Going to address your little snippets.

1) YOU included the fact that I thought the cop inventor was town LONG before his death as a point against me. I'm merely reminding you that you are, again, wrong. I initially thought it was very possible he was scum.

2) Can someone else who received the weak cop PLEASE help this man understand that YOU GET A RESULT BACK. If someone commuted, and the person who weak copped them survived and didn't receive a result, WE'D KNOW SOMETHING STOPPED THE INVESTIGATION FROM WORKING. The first thought, barring someone else claiming to receive the commute, would be that they had commuted to avoid being investigated. This would lead to town LYNCHING them.

Therefore, if they were scum, using the commute itself as protection from the cop has NO UTILITY AT ALL when targets are announced in advance.

Just in case you don't understand this still, because somehow you have trouble comprehending this rather simple concept, here's a little chart.

Action >>>>>> Result

Investigate Town >>>>>> Town
Investigate Scum >>>>>> Dead, we lynch your declared target.
Investigate Commuted Town >>>>>> no result, no death, we lynch your declared target
Investigate Commuted Scum >>>>>> no result, no death, we lynch your declared target

Clearly, if you're scum, option #2 is better than option #4.

3) Jaqen, you don't understand. I'm not going to be mislynched. If I die, then the utility offered by my role dies, and thus there is no reason to not reveal what ability my invention offers, so as to receive corroboration from Constantine and Sonic that they did in fact receive said invention on the declared nights, and that my targets were chosen in this fashion(as shown in the thread).

1) Strongest town read.
2) Investigated person, who was still my strongest town read.
3) Person I investigated MYSELF, who was my 2nd strongest town read overall.

4) Unless you took the time to read through those games I linked to at the behest of Bins, you haven't seen my scum game. You haven't even really seen my town game. You're welcome to expect so little of me if you'd like, but you really don't have any basis for those thoughts.

All of that doesn't change the fact that you did not answer the question. Let's look at this and try to figure out what I would gain from this if scum.

1) I'm scum. And I'm an inventor(because that should be obvious by now)
2) I gave my inventions to town who had bad scum reads, in the hopes that they wouldn't hit my teammate who was sending in the kill and make it likely that we lose that slot, all so...
3) I can reveal my role after the cop inventor is dead, and use the town cred from inventing to obvious town to coast on to the end game.

This is the part where it falls apart

4) I choose to reveal in a way that casts suspicion on myself.
5) With no real pressure

Any gain I may have made by handing out dangerous inventions to town (inventions that have scum use), is completely nullified by me doing what I did. It's wholly irrational.

TL;DR:

1) Believing the cop inventor was town isn't meaningful, especially when in the early game I said it could be scum.
2) Commuting scum would be lynched, not conftown'd.
3) The only further information I have(which i'll have to offer if this terrible push goes on) is what my invention does.
4)If scum, it doesn't make sense to hand out inventions dangerous to my team to build town cred and then piss it away by trying to subtly communicate my role to a specific slot.

Can someone clarify on what the normal behavior of a gladiate is? Do the normal rules for a lynch apply, including a no lynch if we don't get enough votes, or does the person with the most votes simply die at the deadline? I'm still pretty sure jaqen is town, and with a 0% chance of hitting scum today, a no lynch actually seems preferable to me at least.

[vezokpiraka]

I like how cerb startes sprouting walls after he was accused by jaqen amd maybe gladiated. /Sarcasm

[Cerberus v666]

How else would you like me to communicate things I have to say when the other party makes 4 distinct points which I want to address?

[Wickedestjr]

I think lynching Cerb today is an awful idea. There are two pretty simple ways of proving if he is an inventor or not and it doesn't involve asking for a counterclaim.

1. We tell him he has to give his invention to the first half of the playerlist. If he's lying, then the real inventor gives the invention to the bottom half of the playerlist. The only bad thing about this is that a mafia redirector could mess everything up. I think it's pretty unlikely that this game has a mafia redirector though.

2. We tell him not to give his invention to anybody. Then if somebody gets an invention the next day, we know he's lying scum. The only bad thing about this is that the invention can't be used for tonight if Cerb is town.

Another (slight) issue is that scum could nightkill the invention recipient. But this applies to both ideas.

I'm not sure which of these ideas works better, but I am sure that they trump lynching him.

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: If we can prove that Cerb is an inventor, I very strongly doubt that he is a scum inventor. There's no reason for him to have lied about receiving the invention if he were a scum inventor. For what it's worth, I think he's town right now.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, why aren't you scum with TSO, and is there any reason why we *shouldn't* lynch TSO to confirm you?

wat

I have no answer to this. How about you give a reason to think we're scum and then I can explain why that reason is wrong? That's usually how this works.

[Wickedestjr]

PereV is strong town for me

Can you explain this please?

I don't see how Kari's vote for Aristo confirms her as town.

[Cerberus v666]

Wicked, why aren't you scum with TSO, and is there any reason why we *shouldn't* lynch TSO to confirm you?

wat

I have no answer to this. How about you give a reason to think we're scum and then I can explain why that reason is wrong? That's usually how this works.

Oh, because TSO cleared you with his cop, so there are 3 scenarios here.

1) Redirection(unlikely, because there was no reason I can see to think he would receive the cop, or that if he did, he would use it on you)
2) He's scum, and his result regarding you does not indicate your alignment(though it makes it plausible that you're also scum and he's covering for you).
3) You're both town.

I ask this because of his somewhat questionable choice to investigate somewhere other than the chain.

So, again(and this is the more important part of the question) is TSO so certainly town that lynching him to confirm you is a horrible idea, in your opinion?

[Wickedestjr]

^ I don't like that reaction.

Expand on that.

Lying Cat told you that Titus had tracked you to the kill. You immediately believed it and voted for Titus. That is exactly how you are supposed to react, as scum, but doesn't feel like a truly natural reaction if you're town.

I have trouble believing that you didn't check the facts immediately before voting. From my experience, it's pretty rare for scum to claim a bad investigation result on town on a non-LyLo day. It's a lot more common for a player to lie to someone just to gauge their reaction (have you never seen that before?). That is one reason why I think you were too trusting, if town.

Also, on the page you first posted, people were voting but nobody ever voted for you. You weren't even being talked about.

The vote for Lying Cat is also weird. What scum motivation is there for Lying Cat to blatantly lie to you, if not testing you?

[Wickedestjr]

So, again(and this is the more important part of the question) is TSO so certainly town that lynching him to confirm you is a horrible idea, in your opinion?

At this point he is one of my strongest town reads. Ank was obvious town and I haven't seen anything scum-motivated from T S O to make me change my mind. And he should have investigated you, but there are a few other players that have entertained deviating from the chain, so it doesn't seem suspicious that T S O did. He's a horrible lynch right now.

Lynching him for the sole purpose of determining my alignment is even more horrible because it's possible for him to be scum telling the truth about his result.

[Wickedestjr]

Will get back to this tonight. Still figuring out where I want my vote...

[Lying Cat]

Metal Titus, can you please quit the fucking dick measuring? It's actually useless and anti-town, and you're making him post more.

One more time: WHO RECEIVED THE FUCKING COMMUTE?

[Nachomamma8]

PereV is strong town for me

Can you explain this please?

I don't see how Kari's vote for Aristo confirms her as town.

The vote the other way around is better.
I don't see why another lurkfuck does nothing but kind of bus another lurkfuck partner.