Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Zoronos]

Keyser - I see all those posts and go "Yeah, active lurking". Not "Scum would never be this obvious".

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser - I see all those posts and go

"Yeah, active lurking"

. Not "Scum would never be this obvious".

That is another possibility, yes.

[Haschel Cedricson]

A lot of his insults aren't necessarily wrong, though.

I freely admit I have a soft spot for mild abrasiveness.

[TonyMontana]

Hey, sorry for the slow start, busy weekend, reading up now.

In defense of me posting elsewhere, thats only low-effort phone-posting in a game near end-game which didnt require much of me.

[redFF]

zoronos i feel u may be equating playstyle with alignment which is a risky thing to do. this is how i play i have a game history on this site u can go back and look at if you want.

[TonyMontana]

Up to page 15 note:
Boonski has been making a lot of posts, yet have been saying little of note.

[redFF]

i could really get on board with an absta wagon, not gonna lie

says i've been posting nothing of substance but since his vote for boon he has posted nothing but fluff,
almost tunneling boon, but with no real case that i can find except that he's annoying? (Unless absta can point out his boon case that i may have missed)

@BBT - What do you think of Boon?

@Zoro - What do you think of Boon?

these posts are exactly the same, they are attempts to force other people to make cases and scumhunt for him while absta sits back and trys to look town for asking the 'tough questions'

also how about this for a reversal

I'm quite suspicious of RC at the moment and I want to see more from him.

Woody's slot is more scummy atm. I'm taking into account the fact that RC has only made one post and so I can't really judge him based solely on that.

damn absta v disingenuous

his first post of the game questioning an RVS acting like he was ALREADY scumhunting looked very forced and was an early red flag that i've kept in mind too

vote:absta

for tunneling with no case, accusing others of posting fluff while doing that very thing and general anti-town sentiment

i know other people have scum reads on absta so lgtss

[Keyser Söze]

Intent to put absta101 at L-2

[TonyMontana]

I think the person who vowed himself out of the game was onto something....

VOTE: Boonskiies

If you ain't scum, you're anti-town

Comes in with great reads like

Unsure if I want to vote for Absta or Keyser, but that's where I'm headed at the moment.

After taking his scum-read back from Keyser, then puts it back on, we get this analysis:

The reason BBT is top of the list is because in my experience, I find myself better off just town reading him until I figure out if he's scum. It just makes everything less confusing.

I'm seeing Woody's normal playstyle. I get why there's a wagon on him because of that. I'm going to lean-town on this because I don't really know how to read him.

I have a lot of nulls.

Bulb's being weird...somethings off there.

Absta/Keyser are my main scum reads, but I don't think they are scum together. I do believe one of them is scum, though.

Which is around where I started realizing he was eager to speak, but didnt have much to say.

But the real iffy move was how eager he was to join a wagon that his supposed main suspect was starting up, in post 365

Everything since has been a trainwreck all the way up to a claim and a self-vote.

[Keyser Söze]

@Shinobi

. Can you confirm whether the werewolves have day chat? I could not see it in the OP rules/roles.

[Shinobi]

@Shinobi

. Can you confirm whether the werewolves have day chat? I could not see it in the OP rules/roles.

I can confirm that werewolves don't have access to day chat.

[Kmd4390]

You guys post too much

[redFF]

boon is a trash player who's clogging of the thread is anti-town, but i'd hesitate to call any of his play scummy.

@tonymontana, is that all you're gonna bless the thread with? what are your opinions on a possible absta lynch?

[absta101]

@Redff

says i've been posting nothing of substance

but since his vote for boon he has posted nothing but fluff

Me posting fluff since voting for boon is

not

the same as posting fluff nearly all game (like you have done). What exactly is your point here?
Also, "thinking" i'm scum for posting this little amount of fluff (after voting boon) doesn't seem logical or genuine on your part.
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...with no real case that i can find except that he's annoying?

Well no, in post 374 I showed my suspicions of the way Boon was playing. He specifically said he has "nothing" even though he had me and Keyser as scum reads. This makes no sense. Town-him would've tried to figure out more about his scum reads and vote on them instead of jumping on RC (his null read).

I also get the feeling that he is using his previous experience with BBT as a way to buddy up to him. His vote on RC, after BBT asked him to, can easily be explained by that scum motivation.

these posts are exactly the same, they are attempts to force other people to make cases and scumhunt for him while absta sits back and trys to look town for asking the 'tough questions'

There is no way you can believe what you have just typed up here.
Are you saying that asking this question is inherently scummy in the way you described or is it specifically only scummy when I ask them? please elaborate on that.

Also, if you wanted me to elaborate on my thoughts on Boon, you could've asked. People generally don't (me as well) explain their reads as soon as they get the feeling. They usually just elaborate when people ask, like I have done now.

p-edit:

lmao, this is just amazing.

what are your opinions on a possible absta lynch?

So if you are town, why would you ask the same question "scum-absta" asked players regarding Boon? Why is it scummy when I ask it and not when you ask it?
Also, before you deny it, the questions are basically the same. They both demand the same type of answer, your opinion on the player.
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Regarding my post about RC, I think it's quite consistent. I don't see what your problem is with it; please explain that.
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his first post of the game questioning an RVS acting like he was ALREADY scumhunting looked very forced and was an early red flag that i've kept in mind too

Like I said, it was early RVS and I wanted to move the game along. RVS votes are inherently forced.
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vote:absta for tunneling with no case, accusing others of posting fluff while doing that very thing and general anti-town sentiment

1. I'm not tunneling Boon, where did you even get that idea?
2. I accused you of posting fluff in most of your posts whereas I've (according to you) only been posting fluff since my Boon vote. That's not the same thing, as you know.
3. Anti-town sentiment, what do you mean?

[redFF]

@absta

i haven't been posting fluff all game, that's just blatantly untrue, just because my posting style isn't what you think is the 'correct' way to play doesn't mean it's fluff, done with this topic

here is your post 374, the one you cited as your reason for voting

@Boon

meh, sure. I got nothing. I suck at open setups.

VOTE: RC

What in the world is this? Your two scum reads are me and Keyser, why would you jump on the RC waggon saying you got nothing?
RC according to you was null-town and then you swap this to leaning-scum because he only has 1 post. My question is, why was he null-town?

since ur vote on boon, all u have been posting is directed at or about boon, i'd call that tunneling

So if you are town, why would you ask the same question "scum-absta" asked players regarding Boon? Why is it scummy when I ask it and not when you ask it?
Also, before you deny it, the questions are basically the same. They both demand the same type of answer, your opinion on the player.

this question was directed specifically at my boy tony because he's been lurking and i wanted to draw more posts out of him than the one he had just made before he inevitably faded into the background for another 10 pages, ur questions were on active players and were worded the exact same. i had posted pretty solid thoughts on you for tony to look at and add onto,

you asked your questions when you didn't have a case, and wanted bbt and zoro to possibly make one for you

, it's a great way for mafia to look like they're pushing a lynch without doing the legwork

Like I said, it was early RVS and I wanted to move the game along. RVS votes are inherently forced.

rvs is not forced, it should be the simplest part of the game if ur town, just randomly pick someone and vote lol

absta coming at me hard I like this vote more and more

i would also like to ask keyser and boon slow the fuck down and the lurkers/behind players to catch up, hopefully this will happen simultaneously

[absta101]

Banakai's vote on Boon is quite bad. His case feels like he just made it after I asked him to post it anyway.
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@Tony

- You give the impression that you think Boon could be anti-town which suggests he isn't a strong scum read to you. Do you have any other scum reads at the moment?

[TonyMontana]

@tonymontana, is that all you're gonna bless the thread with? what are your opinions on a possible absta lynch?

Just looked over absta's ISO. Doesn't look that bad to me. Apart from the whole "scum dont scum-hunt" which is junk.

Speaking of people making claims about how scum doesnt do stuff that they do, i enjoyed this bit from RedCoyote:

I'll let y'all in on a secret... when I am scum, sometimes I get worried about leaving the thread if I think I am in a bad spot. As town, I do not feel as anxious.

Confirmed town, seeing as he would stick around if he was scum.

While I'm pointing fingers, redFF putting WW on L-1 for not scumhunting enough in #168 is rich, considering it's his 3rd post, the other 2 being worthless.

ne1 who joined this site after me is a massive newb + scrub tbh

How cute.

I'll give you this, you have been on the ball asking the mod to stop using yellow. mafSepia4lyfe.

[redFF]

i didn't know i was putting ww at l-1 if i'm honest (not enough vcs @mod), and my reasoning for a ww vote at that point was solid

and my 269 was that u said 'how cute' too was a joke after bbt said

I just saw your join date.

You have much to learn.

maybe i shoulda been clearer idk

[absta101]

@Redff

since ur vote on boon, all u have been posting is directed at or about boon, i'd call that tunneling

Not exactly but let's say that's true for the sake of argument. Why is it scummy?

ur questions were on active players and were worded the exact same... you asked your questions when you didn't have a case, and wanted bbt and zoro to possibly make one for you, it's a great way for mafia to look like they're pushing a lynch without doing the legwork

Like I said earlier, I already made a post which showed where my suspicions on Boon were coming from. Yes, I didn't make a full blown case but I didn't feel the need to. Your theory relies on the idea that scum-absta would actually need help making a case on Boon. How is that believable?

[TonyMontana]

@Tony

- You give the impression that you think Boon could be anti-town which suggests he isn't a strong scum read to you. Do you have any other scum reads at the moment?

To be honest, I got thrown off by Boon, and to some degree Keyser taking up most of the space during my read.
Ive gotten a town-lean out of checking back on you, trying to read up on redFF, which I'm not lovin atm.

Dont have much to go on for RC, and I'm not one to throw stones here, but I got a pin on his name for the time being.

I should probably check myself for wanting Boon dead, if its just for being anti-town, and he certainly seems to have a reputation for it, but in isolation he looks scum.

Pedit:

maybe i shoulda been clearer idk

Didnt really take it seriously, just flaunting my own join date

[redFF]

@Redff

since ur vote on boon, all u have been posting is directed at or about boon, i'd call that tunneling

Not exactly but let's say that's true for the sake of argument. Why is it scummy?

ur questions were on active players and were worded the exact same... you asked your questions when you didn't have a case, and wanted bbt and zoro to possibly make one for you, it's a great way for mafia to look like they're pushing a lynch without doing the legwork

Like I said earlier, I already made a post which showed where my suspicions on Boon were coming from. Yes, I didn't make a full blown case but I didn't feel the need to. Your theory relies on the idea that scum-absta would actually need help making a case on Boon. How is that believable?

why did you specifically pick those two players to ask about their opinions on boon?

[absta101]

I don't think I had a specific reason for asking those two other than they were the people talking to me at that time. I don't remember.

Can you answer my question; why is it scummy?

[redFF]

ur tunneling on boon has been scummy because ur case was very weak and u were attacking him for playstyle/shitposting reasons rather than because you thought he was mafia, at least that's how it looks to me

[absta101]

ur tunneling on boon has been scummy because ur case was very weak and u were attacking him for playstyle/shitposting reasons rather than because you thought he was mafia, at least that's how it looks to me

Please...

He specifically said he has "nothing" even though he had me and Keyser as scum reads. This makes no sense. Town-him would've tried to figure out more about his scum reads and vote on them instead of jumping on RC (his null read).

This looks like i'm attacking his "playstyle/shitposting" instead of thinking he is mafia?

[Banakai]

@mod vote count?