Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Sonic Boom]

@Vezok, without a CC, lynching Cerb is bad play. He has to give is inventions to obvtown. A block gets us a scum.

If we lynch ika and get a successfully role blocked kill (or just lynch ika plus his buddy), then the role block clears people.

[Wickedestjr]

Why is vezok off the table for today?

[Sonic Boom]

Because ika 100% lurks as scum. He hasn't supported his reads. He ignores this game.

Vezok, overall has played a very townish game and I am not inclined to lynch him as the VCA doesn't speak to needing to immediately resolve a wagon he's on.

[Wickedestjr]

I might vote ika. But I'm not sold on 'vezok town' right now.

Fairly confident that scum are in {ika, LC, mastin, Nacho, Peregrine, vezok}

or as confident as I can be after my countless mistakes thus far

I'm going to make another effort to narrow this down tonight

[Sonic Boom]

Why no TSO or Cerb on your list?

[Wickedestjr]

I don't think Cerb would claim inventor unless he actually is an inventor. I also doubt that he would lie and attract negative attention to himself if he were a scum inventor. We'll find out soon.

I have a slight gut feeling that T S O is town, had a strong gut feeling that Ank was...

[Sonic Boom]

I don't think Cerb would claim inventor unless he actually is an inventor. I also doubt that he would lie and attract negative attention to himself if he were a scum inventor. We'll find out soon.

I have a slight gut feeling that T S O is town, had a strong gut feeling that Ank was...

I hate gut. Please elaborate.

[Wickedestjr]

For Ank, everything just felt like genuine/interested scum hunting until he replaced out. *shrug* The way his reads developed, the way he communicated with people, the way he replaced out of this game despite not disappearing from the site itself.

T S O's initial replace in string of posts didn't feel like scum trying to please. His response to my mastin case from yesterday also felt like the most genuine complaint, even though I think his defense of mastin was wrong.

[Wickedestjr]

Your turn.

Thoughts on Nacho and LC?

[Sonic Boom]

If your case on Mastina is right, someone would need to defend her no? I hate the "feels genuine cases" especially without posts, because I can't really get deep under the hood.

I like Nacho as town because of them being the turning point vote from Kari to Ari. I don't see scum burning their rolecop unless they had found all the town inventors. If Cerb is scum, this read would be revisited as scum would have no need for a rolecop at that point.

LC, while we've disagreed on strategy, hasn't really been wrong on much of anything. He hasn't been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, contradicted himself, or done anything scummy at all really.

[mastin2]

So it's now

anti

town to be bringing attention to a very scum ISO and doubly wishing to kill that one now that is claiming a power role, vis-a-vis scumpr? A man must needs walking through that one!

It's very anti-town to gladiate one of our only PRs, yes.

VOTE: ika
Fuck this. ika

STILL

isn't contributing his thoughts on anything at all. Time to policy lynch his ass.

Sure thing, I'm in full agreement.
VOTE: ika,
But just one thing: make sure that if I die, you power-lynch Nacho tomorrow. No excuses, no justification, no letting him worm his way out of it, no claim to save him, no pro-town play to make you doubt that he's scum. If I'm dead, lynch him,

period

.

[Sonic Boom]

@Mastina,

Why should I? You've been pushing reads that have been wrong the entire fucking game. So why should I turbo lynch Nacho if you flip?

[mastin2]

So why should I turbo lynch Nacho if you flip?

Because fuck your arrogance in insisting that this is a game of "you've been right/wrong" (when YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG YOURSELF!), I know how to read Nacho if given time, I think he's scum but while I'm pretty sure I'm not absolutely sure and IF I DIE, THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.

[Sonic Boom]

So why should I turbo lynch Nacho if you flip?

Because fuck your arrogance in insisting that this is a game of "you've been right/wrong" (when YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG YOURSELF!), I know how to read Nacho if given time, I think he's scum but while I'm pretty sure I'm not absolutely sure and IF I DIE, THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.

There's a difference between being wrong once and being wrong the entire game. I am not sure how if I've ever agreed with a single read you've had all game. This is a perfect opportunity to show me where my Nacho read is wrong, but raging against me is a wholly ineffective way to get me to listen to you.

[Wickedestjr]

If your case on Mastina is right, someone would need to defend her no?

I don't think that's necessarily true. But Nacho defended her to an extent, he's still in that list. IIRC, mastin had a strong town read on him up until Nacho voted her - now mastin is voting him. They could be partners.

I hate the "feels genuine cases" especially without posts, because I can't really get deep under the hood.

For Ank, I liked posts 238, 243, 260, 309, 910, 1261, 1768

My read on him is stronger just from rereading his iso

I like Nacho as town because of them being the turning point vote from Kari to Ari. I don't see scum burning their rolecop unless they had found all the town inventors. If Cerb is scum, this read would be revisited as scum would have no need for a rolecop at that point.

Fair point. Be careful not to overlook the case where Nacho and Kari are both scum.

LC, while we've disagreed on strategy, hasn't really been wrong on much of anything. He hasn't been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, contradicted himself, or done anything scummy at all really.

I'll admit, this is true. But I think they're good enough to slide through without making any mistakes. They haven't done anything scummy, but they're still a candidate for me because I haven't seen anything particularly townish yet.

[Wickedestjr]

So why should I turbo lynch Nacho if you flip?

Because fuck your arrogance in insisting that this is a game of "you've been right/wrong" (when YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG YOURSELF!), I know how to read Nacho if given time, I think he's scum but while I'm pretty sure I'm not absolutely sure and IF I DIE, THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.

Well if you are both town, I sure hope scum doesn't kill you to frame him...

Let's say we lynch ika today - what's the likelihood of you getting night killed tonight?

[Sonic Boom]

Mastina and I are already voting ika. Need your vote to make it happen Wicked.

~Titus (as have been most of the posts lately)

[Wickedestjr]

This post is ridiculous;

Wow, I didn't realize how close we were to deadline. Now I'm starting to get worried.

We have (expired on 2015-07-17 20:30:25) left !

Spoiler: Votecount

Aristophanes - 6 (Flubbernugget, T S O, Kari, Sonic Boom, Constantine, Cerberus v666)
Kari - 4 (Aristophanes, vezokpiraka, Nachomamma8, Wickedestjr)
Constantine - 1 (Jaqen Hghar)
Wickedestjr - 1 (mastin2)
Flubber nugget - 1 (Lying Cat)
Not Voting: ika

Jaqen, Lying Cat, mastin - vote for somebody that actually has a chance of getting lynched today. Preferably not Aristo, because that bandwagon is still garbage. Inventors, get your inventions in. ika get ready to hammer.

This post is also terrible because (1) Anti would have given a deadline extension for the three replacements (Aristo requested replacement but was lynched before one could be found), (2) it advocates for a Kari lynch over Aristo, and (3) just is entirely not the Wicked that he says he is as town. (Not sure I can explain that? Just...look at what he says about him and compromising compared to his hard-line here. Doesn't really add up.)

(1) If Anti were going to give us an extension then he would have given it by then. We needed three replacements several days before deadline hit. How long was he going to wait? Five hours before deadline- 'oh by the way, here's more time'.
(2) I advocated Kari over Aristo just like you did
(3) Uhhh... whaaaa? (You caught me?)

Plus, on a side-note, it's kinda bossing the inventors around

, when frankly, the first priority of an inventor should be in figuring out who to submit their invention to, long-before the day is anywhere near completion, making the order unnecessary. (Though this is assuming, of course, the inventors actually are around in the early stages of the day phase. If they're absent and basically just prod-dodging, goes without saying that there's a risk they may not have submitted something yet because they're waiting until they can get good info. This particularly applies to the commute inventor, whose job it is to predict the next nightkill, thus, necessitating them being caught up in the thread. The action can always be changed, of course, but there's the matter of blindly sending it to someone who might not be trustworthy, and the day ending before they have the chance to figure that out. Pretty much the only players that the commute inventor can safely avoid that on are the conftown players, but that's assuming that they haven't already been protected when that is a probability, since giving it to the same conftown twice or arguably even to conftown twice might not be effective because scum are expecting it meaning that the shot is wasted.
...The tl;dr of all the above? Basically, it's essential for the commute inventor to be caught up. They need to submit an action, as informed as possible, and the more time that is given for that, the better. Not sure I'm describing that adequately enough.)

Alright, next time when we have twelve hours left before deadline, we're about to no-lynch, and nobody else is doing anything about it - I will ignore the thread because obviously Antihero would give us an extension (hmm just not on day 1) and obviously I shouldn't remind inventors to give they're inventions because that's bossy of me.

what is this i don't even

am i the only one reading this

is this a dream, someone pinch me

what in the world

[Wickedestjr]

Mastina and I are already voting ika. Need your vote to make it happen Wicked.

~Titus (as have been most of the posts lately)

I'm thinking about it.

I still have some rereading to do.

[Wickedestjr]

Reconvinced myself that Nacho is town...

[Jaqen Hghar]

You know what? This game is severely stalling out a few days ago. It is looking as if town are divided right down the middle. The post Wicked is quoting of himself calling the Ari wagon garbage is giving a man an idea which could be breaking the game. Lynch the Kari slot. If that one is flipping scum

goon

, Wicked is dooming himself with associatives in trying to steer town onto lesser scum for scum credit. Then, if that one too is flipping scum, the cross tunnel he is sharing with Mastin should put the final nail in scum's coffin.

However, if Kari slot is flipping town that is auto confirming both Wicked and Mastin and a man is rigtball along. Then we are lynching Cerberus and LC with Shakira or Sonic (in that order) for the remaining scum.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Rigtball?...wtf...*right

[vezokpiraka]

vote ika

[Cerberus v666]

@Vezok, without a CC, lynching Cerb is bad play.

He has to give is inventions to obvtown.

A block gets us a scum.

If we lynch ika and get a successfully role blocked kill (or just lynch ika plus his buddy), then the role block clears people.

Because giving my can catch scum invention to obvtown isn't what i was ALREADY doing? How can you make that argument and even think there's a reasonable chance I'm still scum?

Also, can you please tell me why you decided to share what the invention was, when earlier today you were ADAMANT that we not share it? I could have kept up my fake claim of receiving it by knowing what it was, and then perhaps preserved the secrecy of my role, but you said it was better that scum didn't know what the invention was...so I partially claimed, rather than claiming the nature of the invention.

That...irritates me. A lot. I sacrificed utility to keep some information restricted to just town, and you just decided to sacrifice it all.

[Wickedestjr]

Yeah that would have been nice to keep secret.