Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

absta101

(4):

Zoronos, Kmd4390, Boonskiies, redff

Boonskiies

(3):

absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana

RedCoyote

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

Bulbazoor

(1):

Doctor Who

Banakai

(1):

Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting

(3):

RedCoyote, Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

[redFF]

This looks like i'm attacking his "playstyle/shitposting" instead of thinking he is mafia?

this sure does

More votes on Boon now. That was quite a horrible response.

Wow, wtf has happened to this game, so many childish players. Please don't replace into games anymore Boon.

I feel like this game has been ruined now.

You are so full of shit...

I feel like this game has been ruined now.

This is from a scum perspective. A townie wouldn't think the game would have been ruined from that, and a townie would still be questioning it.

What sort of logic is this?
I obviously meant more than just your shit.

[absta101]

All the quotes below #432 are not a part of my reasons for voting him. Also, all of that came before I clarified. If I meant for you to consider it, I would've mentioned something about his playstyle/shitposting.

[absta101]

That is, I would've mentioned something about his playstyle/shitposting WHEN I clarified my read on him if I wanted you to consider it.

[redFF]

alright man watever u say. im jus tellin it how i see it

[absta101]

alright man watever u say. im jus tellin it how i see it

Well now that i've told you that i'm not attacking him for his playstyle/shitposting, the only reason for finding my tunneling scummy is that you think my case on him is weak. What makes you think it's "very weak"?

[redFF]

Intent to put absta101 at L-2

Whats good with this

[Keyser Söze]

i would also like to ask keyser and boon slow the fuck down

and the lurkers/behind players to catch up, hopefully this will happen simultaneously

The thread has died. Please may I continue my investigation?

[Keyser Söze]

@Shinobi

:

vote:absta

Vote Count

absta101

(3):

Zoronos, Kmd4390, Boonskiies

Boonskiies

(3):

absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana

RedCoyote

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

Doctor Who

(1):

redff

Bulbazoor

(1):

Doctor Who

Not Voting

(4):

RedCoyote, Haschel Cedricson, Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Catching up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT - The fact that he didn't answer why his reads changed so suddenly and the way he tried to make himself look town by using your null read on him. Basically, all of it.

Why do you think scum are more likely to be loose/inconsistent with their reads as opposed to town?

Town

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Lean Town

-

Null Town

-

Null Scum

-

Lean Scum

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Scum

Boonskiies
BlueBloodedToffee
Banakai
redFF
WoodyWoodpecker --- /\

TonyMontana
Zoronos
Haschel Cedricson

Kmd4390

Bulbazoor
RedCoyote ---- \/
absta101

Keyser Söze

Boon, can you explain town read on Redff please (I know you say something about wagons but can you go in more detail?). Also, the null read on Zoro seems pretty strange and I don't get the scum reads on RC/Keyser.

Actually...switch Absta with Keyser.

VOTE: Absta

This is much better. I like this vote.

He's probably scum. So is Red. I'm looking for the third player at the moment.

What makes you think Boon is scum? Same for Red.

Working out if that's Absta or Bulb.

As Absta points out, it seems strange that you feel more comfortable with your scum reads on Boon and Red and yet you're pressuring Absta and have your vote parked on him.

VOTE: Boon

I bought idiot town for woody, but I have a hard time believing this slot was simply idiot town twice. Also not much point for me to be on a wagon nobody is helping with. I still suspect red ff.

Boons posts especially look more like scum than idiot town.

I will post more about him in a little bit

Can you explain what about Boon's posts make you think he is scum?

I actually made a mistake and though boon replaced woody but he didnt...

Still, woody pulled off idiot town much better than this guy. This guy still just looks like a scum.

No unvote even though you realized you mixed up slots? Hmm.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

K, whatever. I'm already kinda done with this game. I have absolutely no interest in this game anymore. I replaced in because I like Shinobi as a mod, and I needed another game to play in, but this is kind of ridiculous.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Just a villager.

What are you doing Boon?

Like this...

VOTE: Absta

Keyser's town, just a town with a giant stick up his butt.

Can you explain why Keyser has become town? I saw you say you 'thought one of Absta/Keyser was scum' but I want more than that.

God damn I had a case written for boon but he just made a case for himself

This is a horrible post. If you had a case all wrote up, why would you not post it anyway?

BBT seems to be laying the foundation of mislynching me should RC flip scum, based on Woody not being around.

Can you go into this some more please?

[TonyMontana]

+1 on banakai supposedly discarding a case.

I previously had read it as " was gonna write a case on him" which is bad enough in itself, but claiming to throw out any writings because it seems unnecessary is terrible.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Apologies for incoming wall, tried to break it up by boxing my reply to Haschel's 502.

This early in the game I can't help but think it was loaded with scum.

Can you explain this? What about the timing of the wagon makes it more likely to have scum on it?

502 - Good case on Bana from Haschel, picking up on a lot of the same things I disliked about his posting.

Haschel, can you explain 'sincerity'. What makes something sincere on an online forum?

So I'm scum because you think I presented a bad case early game? That's great, if only it were scum who presented bad cases eh? Further, if you think my case was so bad, why is it that you appear to have no problem with a single person who followed me onto that wagon? I mean, the natural thought progression here is 'Wow, BBT's case on Woody is terrible so why the hell is everyone piling onto that wagon?' You don't seem to follow that thought process through to the end.

Redff is annoyed about Woody claiming. He is so annoyed that he proceeds to insert some 'lols' into his post. I don't know about you, but when I'm annoyed something has happened, I don't lol about it. This lacks 'sincerity' to use your term.

I'm sorry, you say my suspicion of Absta is fake and then proceed to not explain why you think it's fake. I posted about his joining on the wagon, if you have a problem with it, you should bring it up.

Need to quote this part;

He also sets up a false dichotomy:

He goes against me; saying he disagrees with my reasoning and it feels forced. This would imply he thinks I'm scum, no?"

What? No, it doesn't imply that at all. Why would you say it did?

Well, if someone finds your reasoning to be forced this would imply they think you are scum, no? Townies don't force their reasoning, scum do. So, yeah, I think this would imply he thinks I am scum, I mean, you seem to imply this in your own post just a little further down;

I agree with his point about BBT's attacks on Woody being forced

Which would suggest you also believe forced reasoning to come from scum.

Can you clarify your problem please?

I don't get the town read on Redff at all. Town reading Boon for self-voting is just terrible as well.

yo i could def get aboard a banakai wagon, his suspicion of me at the start of the game after calling me town was v strange, as was his pushing of boonskiies, where he was essentially calling him a VI over and over

Really? You didn't express this dislike of Banakai's posting at any point of the game. How strange.

Haschel Cedricson's observations were interesting:

Also in post 305 he says "

The werewolf

is probbably not posted enough comments to get noticed by me". Anybody see anything weird about that? Like the attitude that we're only looking for one person and not a partnership?

This is a

possible

scum-slip by Banakai, highlighted by Haschel Cedricson, noted.

Meh, missed this from Haschel's post so will address it here. This is not a scum slip, given we know there are 3 werewolves Banakai would still be 'looking for two wolves', not one. Which completely negates this 'slip'.

512 - Keyser, I thought the Haschel wagon did a pretty good job of starting the game.

I did not want to follow up on Zoro's line of questioning on Absta. That was for Zoro to do, I was merely pointing out that I agreed with his point.

My vote did not move to Absta because I was happy with the current game state and the direction the game was taking. I had made my point about Absta clear and I was waiting for a response from him (a response I believe I still haven't had).

My current read on the Woody slot is that it's likely town.

I also think Boon is likely to be town. He isn't this bad as scum, his scum game is somewhat decent.

515 - Redff, can you elaborate on what you don't like about Keyser's posting?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will continue catch up later today.

For now though;

VOTE: Absta

[absta101]

@BBT

Why do you think scum are more likely to be loose/inconsistent with their reads as opposed to town?

Scum don't believe their reads.

[absta101]

Thats L-1 btw, tell me when you want my claim.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's L-2.

But doesn't that bring attention to yourself? Why would you do that as scum?

[absta101]

It's L-2.

But doesn't that bring attention to yourself? Why would you do that as scum?

Do you even think about it before you ask? If scum never made mistakes, we would never catch them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see. I'm simply saying that scum would have to be super bad to play in the manner that Boon is playing and I know Boon is not super bad at playing scum.

Your reasons are weak and based on surface level actions.

[Zoronos]

In post 465, Zoronos wrote:
He's probably scum. So is Red. I'm looking for the third player at the moment.

What makes you think Boon is scum? Same for Red.

Boon is leaning very heavily on his VI stereotype this game. His play seems focused on generating noise rather than on finding scum. His 'Ah ha!' self vote -> scum read felt very contrived / non-genuine.

RedFF is basically active lurking. He's not doing anything that I can see to sort town from scum. No reasoning and lots of personal attack.
I disliked his post at Woody about defending himself; I disagree with your (and others) interpretation that he found a scummy contradiction. Woody contradicted himself, but that looked like ego protection behavior rather than scum behavior.

[Doctor Who]

Prod dodge, expect more from me within 24 hours.

[absta101]

@BBT

I see. I'm simply saying that scum would have to be super bad to play in the manner that Boon is playing and I know Boon is not super bad at playing scum.

Your reasons are weak and based on surface level actions.

Well I don't know Boon and either way i'd have to assume he doesn't play in line with town-motivations as town if I don't see him as scum.

My reasons are based on what I see, not on meta.

[absta101]

@Keyser - Hey, I'm Boonskiies. I'm THE village idiot of mafia scum, nice to meet you. My Day 1's are horrendous, and I flip flop my reads constantly.

I'm just going to say right now, BBT has pretty much caught me out as scum in every scum game I've been in with him. The fact that I'm still null to him should show you that my antics are just Boon being annoying.

Just look at this, this isn't genuine at all.

[Keyser Söze]

This is why I hate anti-town/self-voting/Village Idiot behaviour:

Scum can blend in by voting for the anti-town/self-voting/Village Idiot. I do not blame either town or scum voting for an anti-town/self-voting/Village Idiot, they have every right to do so

This what makes it harmful for town - do not feed scum ammunition!