Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Jaqen Hghar]

EBWOP: Also, how is claiming today setting up a mislynch? And anything involving roleblocking that sets up a mislynch tomorrow, involves skipping a kill tonight, so THAT doesn't make sense. Man. Seriously. Think things through before you say them.

Ok. Plainly. Let's go to the hypothetical abstract for a moment. I'm not asking you to confirm yourself as scum. I just want you to see the logic.

Working under the pov of thinking you are scum

1. Scum have a topic they can talk to each other in and discuss things such as strategy which means your site history is irrelevant

2. Scum who knows they are going to face pressure after the previous day's flip has a good strategy in claiming PR, whether it's their PR or not. Hell, you could be a scum tracker and were simply fishing for what was given to Sonic for all I know. Either way this I would expect to be discussed in a scum topic as well as site meta for newer players

3. Town get cold feet for lynching the obvious candidate based on an unproven claim of PR and so hunt for someone else to lynch, ala greater mislynch opportunity because it takes one scum off the table for lynch consideration

[PeregrineV]

Hmm. Wouldn't it make more sense to, if the obvious accusation you're making is true, lynch ika first, and then we can work on the connection between them?

I haven't looked over ika's posts yet, so it could change. I'm going based on what I'm reading now.

I believe ika's scumgame is literally fucking awful. As in, if ika is posting, ika is town.

Wicked's link makes me re-analyse that, I guess.

What are you talking about? I posted from where you wanted ika lynched, he gained three votes, said nothing, and then you did not want him lynched, and have been defending him since.

It's a legitimate point, Peregrine, but riddle me this: what do I get out of starting a wagon on my scumbuddy and then jumping off? It's extremely poor play.

You mean, as scum, you tunnel a buddy to avoid actual scumhunting, but, since you don't really want him lynched, you avoid the wagon getting too big by suddenly town reading him?
Perfectly acceptable, happens all the time. The problem is when your buddy forgets to post so you have a "trigger" that causes you to suddenly 180 your scumread into a townread.

[Sonic Boom]

@PV, Then we lynch ika first. Then we lynch TSO.

[Sonic Boom]

EBWOP: Also, how is claiming today setting up a mislynch? And anything involving roleblocking that sets up a mislynch tomorrow, involves skipping a kill tonight, so THAT doesn't make sense. Man. Seriously. Think things through before you say them.

Ok. Plainly. Let's go to the hypothetical abstract for a moment. I'm not asking you to confirm yourself as scum. I just want you to see the logic.

Working under the pov of thinking you are scum

1. Scum have a topic they can talk to each other in and discuss things such as strategy which means your site history is irrelevant

2. Scum who knows they are going to face pressure after the previous day's flip has a good strategy in claiming PR, whether it's their PR or not. Hell, you could be a scum tracker and were simply fishing for what was given to Sonic for all I know. Either way this I would expect to be discussed in a scum topic as well as site meta for newer players

3. Town get cold feet for lynching the obvious candidate based on an unproven claim of PR and so hunt for someone else to lynch, ala greater mislynch opportunity because it takes one scum off the table for lynch consideration

That would be a scum watcher darling.

Seriously, just stop and recalibrate. You haven't been right once. You're either scum or a big ass obnoxious townbeard, and I'm running out of obvious scum.

~Titus

[T S O]

Peregrine - I read his early ISO, reconciled it with my knowledge of ika-scum, which is admittedly limited, decided it didn't fit like I thought it had, and got off.

[Cerberus v666]

I always work under the POV of thinking player x(including myself) is scum when I'm trying to figure out if peoples hypotheses make sense or are just BS.

1) Granted. Well, not irrelevant, depending on how forceful a personality I have and how likely I am to actually agree with the rest of the teams plan rather than pushing for something different, but sure, assume I'm passive newbscum obediently following orders.

2) Doesn't explain why I would feel I would be facing pressure today. Were I scum, the only expectation I should have is death if town were to receive the weak cop, and two kills happened last night. Like...the previous days flip has *nothing* to do with the only rational reason why scumme would expect to face pressure today.

I really don't get why yesterdays flip is relevant to *any* of this. Particular since I could have easily ensured Kari got lynched instead. You and Vezok were pretty adamant about me changing my vote over to that slot.

3) 2/12 rather than 3/12, dropping it from a random 25% to a random 16%. Sure. That's a thing. The numbers aren't exactly huge, but sure.

Okay, so the first half of your post...kinda makes sense. The part I'm most offended by is the roleblock to setup a mislynch tomorrow thing though. That's the thing the post you quoted is most concerned with.

[T S O]

I do not have "triggers" which make me back off my scumbuddies. I'm arguing that there was no need for me to push ika-scum if I never intended to bus him.

[T S O]

Cerb - yes, I'm a pretty strong believer in role=alignment in cases like this.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho, when did you go from ika-town to ika-scum, hmm?

When Kari + Cerb dropped out of my suspect pool. I'm not particularly confident in it at all, but.

[Sonic Boom]

@TSO, Show me the last post where ika tried.

~Titus

Yeah there's no trying in that link either.

ika hasn't tried most if not all of the game. A blank PoE wall isn't trying to scumhunt. ika's posting in plenty of other places. It's like ika "gave up" when he couldn't mislynch me.

~Titus

TSO, answer please.

[T S O]

I quoted posts where I felt ika tried. I am fairly sure that you're acquainted with ika's scum meta and how poor it can be, so I don't understand why you of all people are asking me this?

[Cerberus v666]

Cerb - yes, I'm a pretty strong believer in role=alignment in cases like this.

Well, in that case, thank you Anti, for presenting another opportunity to teach someone why it's foolish to think that way. That's about all I can say, I can't really argue with you if that's just how you think.

[Jaqen Hghar]

Cerb- ill explain that when i grt off work

Titus- weve gone over this. Ive been right three times snd wrong twice. Same as you so you can stop with that

[Lying Cat]

TSO, what part of my claim do you not like? Are you also one of the shortsighted people like vezok and jaqen who seem to feel that role=alignment, and thus don't believe it makes sense for their to be a town roleblock inventor?

can you never use the spoiler tag again? it's really fucking annoying.

[Lying Cat]

Jingle just finished a game where scum-ika was the most active poster.

I'm willing to vote ika as soon as I see a votecount

[Jaqen Hghar]

I always work under the POV of thinking player x(including myself) is scum when I'm trying to figure out if peoples hypotheses make sense or are just BS.

1) Granted. Well, not irrelevant, depending on how forceful a personality I have and how likely I am to actually agree with the rest of the teams plan rather than pushing for something different, but sure, assume I'm passive newbscum obediently following orders.

2) Doesn't explain why I would feel I would be facing pressure today. Were I scum, the only expectation I should have is death if town were to receive the weak cop, and two kills happened last night. Like...the previous days flip has *nothing* to do with the only rational reason why scumme would expect to face pressure today.

I really don't get why yesterdays flip is relevant to *any* of this. Particular since I could have easily ensured Kari got lynched instead. You and Vezok were pretty adamant about me changing my vote over to that slot.

3) 2/12 rather than 3/12, dropping it from a random 25% to a random 16%. Sure. That's a thing. The numbers aren't exactly huge, but sure.

Okay, so the first half of your post...kinda makes sense. The part I'm most offended by is the roleblock to setup a mislynch tomorrow thing though. That's the thing the post you quoted is most concerned with.

A man is puking at this reaction now he takes the time to really read it. Especially the first point. First this one is all 'oh, I haven't played much here. How can you think I'd be that acquainted with the meta?' And is now all 'What, you don't think I'm capable of thinking for myself?' This is reading as the scummiest back and forth yet.

Two isn't a denial of this one's scum card but rather an obfuscation of ignorance and is implying this one thinks the rest of us aren't 'capable of thinking for ourselves' and deducing exactly how this one is scum with Ari, the exact same kind of line he is calling a man out for in his reply to the first point.

Three is just swatting away an almost 10% drop in likelihood of scum being lynched like its nothing. People on the stock market are killing for such returns. That's huge.

Can we just kill this already?

[Cerberus v666]

I think I'm actually done talking to you jaqen. You haven't had an impartial interaction with anyone you've scum read the entire game. Normally I would at least address your points, but it's really not worth it. Anybody who agrees with you is gonna agree with your interpretation of my post, anybody who doesn't, won't.

[Lying Cat]

Just realized the mod is probably hilariously drunk so I'll wait for two votecounts before I vote.

[Antihero]

sober as a judge actually

[Jaqen Hghar]

sober as a judge actually

A man knows many judges, but knows few who are sober...

[Jaqen Hghar]

SC and I were both on Mac.

Pics? Video? A man is happy with a sultry descriptive narrative if all else is failing...

[Jaqen Hghar]

You certainly don't have enough experience with me to make such a determination.

You know Cerbreus, I dont

need

experience with you to make such a determination. See Xenoblade. I knew nearly nobody there. Didn't seem to hinder me at all. You see, you probably think you're all unique and special and all that jazz. But you're not. None of us are really. Take away the face, the voice, the skin, the weight, and anything else which give people immediate biases when they meet so,some and you're left with four personality types- Sanguine, Choleric, Melancholy, and Phlegmatic. Picture those as a circle in that specific order.

Often, someone of a particular personality will share some traits of a neighboring personality. Rarely, very rarely in fact because it involves sharing traits of polar opposites, a person will exhibit traits of both neighboring personalities. In either circumstance, every person in the world fits predominantly into one category. Opposites, in this case don't attract so as an example a Choleric person will never have traits of a Phlegmatic and so on.

Anyhow, enough Psyche101, lets get to the point. You're very obviously Phlegmatic with some traits of Sanguine. So, you're probably like, "ok how's that relevant to anything?", and the answer is quite simple really. Since we all project our personality into everything we do, you like th rest of us have projected your personality here. Which makes it predictable as to how you would respond in given situations. The short back and forth you had with Nacho just before the hammer (you know, where you're trying confuse him about his vote and possibly set up rhetoric for later in the game) is exactly what would be expected of a Phlegmatic who is obscuring things and screwing with a townie to try and get a vote off a scum buddy.

Throughout my life I've had thousandsands of personal and professional relationships with "you". So, you see, I really don't need to know your specific "you".

[Cerberus v666]

It's astounding how wrong your application of antiquated psychology is here. First, in that it's mostly wrong about me. Second, in that phlegmatic does a good job of describing the temperament of the typical individual you could expect to see engaging in this sort of activity(so even if it *were* accurate, it's not exactly a difficult determination to make at random). And third, in the context of that quote, you're calling me PIGHEADED. Which doesn't fit in with your determination at all.

Anyways, that was fun. I hope you'll note that I didn't actually talk to you about the game, because I'm done doing that for the time being. Can I talk to someone else about the game please?

[Sonic Boom]

He's clearly trolling at this point. I still want to lynch jaqn

[Sonic Boom]

I'm still not reading