Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Zoronos]

What about Banakai?

Null. Passively suspicious, not my preferred lynch but happy to see more questioning. Just don't have the time to do that questioning myself right now.

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

Boonskiies

(4):

absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana, Kmd4390

absta101

(3):

Zoronos, Boonskiies, redff

Bulbazoor

(1):

Doctor Who

Banakai

(1):

Haschel Cedricson

Tony Montana

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(3):

RedCoyote, Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

Note

: RedCoyote has been prodded.

[Kmd4390]

Dr Who, here's my list:

Town Reads

Keyser - Shows logical and genuine interest in finding scum
Dr Who - Woody came off pretty town and I'm pretty sure scum was pushing him. Later in the game, wagon analysis should be fun here.
Zoro - I can't question any of what he's had to say since Page 2.

Weak Town

Bulb - He seems like his usual self, but I have yet to see his scum game and his town game appears scummy so it's hard to say but he's near the bottom of my town pile for now. I have a few specific things I'm looking for before I commit to a stronger read on him
RedCoyote- I'd like it if he talked more, but he seems to believe most of what he says so meh I'll stick him here.
Haschel - He's borderline between this category and the next one down. I want to say his catchup post looked like someone looking for scum legitimately, but I also feel like the flashing light strawman accusation against me when I almost quoted whoever it was word for word was pretty far off. I'm not sure how read I am to shrug that off as "too blatant to be scum". That's also my only issue with him so meh.

Might be scum if my scum reads are wrong

TonyMontana- Hasn't said much. Has said even less that I like
Ban - I have nothing to suggest he is scum except weak gut and sheeping other people's points. I have even less to suggest he is town

Scum read that I'm starting to second guess

Absta - Plenty against him in my ISO, but I doubt he's scum with Boon or BBT so I'm willing to sort him later.

Weak Scum

Redff- not sure why but I get a "not genuinely scumhunting" vibe.

Scum reads

BlueBloodedToffee- I've said plenty here. Didn't like his Woody push, especially once he started attacking the wagon but continued to scumread Woody.
Boonskiies - see my vote and recent ISO

[Banakai]

Also I'm fucking confused who I should be voting.

Who are you considering and why?

Basically boon and redff. I can understand some other wagons but they aren't screaming scum for me.

Woody's slot I have to see more from his replacement

Boon for obvious reasons and I'll explain redff a little more when I get to a computer

[Boonskiies]

Boon for obvious reasons

this is exactly why I'm town. Why the fuck would I be "obvious" as scum? I'm never fucking obvious as scum. my Banakai read is changing.

[Boonskiies]

the only time i'm lynched when I'm town, is when people think I'm "obvious scum".

[Keyser Söze]

BlueBloodedToffee, I'm going to have to go back to this:

I felt your vote reluctantly went on absta101, then it came off him very fast - but I'll need to re-read that exchange.

You replied:

I was reading Absta vs Redff and I don't see that as scum vs scum at all and if I were to vote between those two I think I would vote Red - which caused me to have doubts about my Absta scum read.

Can you explain why you initially voted for absta101?

For now though;

VOTE: Absta

When you unvoted absta101, did you think absta101-redFF was town vs werewolf or town vs town? If

town vs werewolf

, did you want to put pressure on redFF? Are you now town-reading absta101 based purely on the possibilty of redFF being scum/town?

This flip-flop on absta101 concerns me - plus, the fact you were happy to leave absta101-redFF alone and then re-direct your focus on TonyMontana.

[Keyser Söze]

this is exactly why I'm town. Why the fuck would I be "obvious" as scum? I'm never fucking obvious as scum.

the only time i'm lynched when I'm town, is when people think I'm "obvious scum".

Stop using your specialized scummy behavior to "prove" your

'town-alignment'

via your personal meta

[Haschel Cedricson]

Boon for obvious reasons...

What are those reasons?

[Haschel Cedricson]

I also feel like the flashing light strawman accusation against me when I almost quoted whoever it was word for word was pretty far off

Alright, after rereading I guess you didn't actually strawman; it sure looked like you were gathering straw but technically you never assembled it.

[Banakai]

the only time i'm lynched when I'm town, is when people think I'm "obvious scum".

Nobody here gives a shit about how you play in other games. This is mini 1701.

[Kmd4390]

I also feel like the flashing light strawman accusation against me when I almost quoted whoever it was word for word was pretty far off

Alright, after rereading I guess you didn't actually strawman; it sure looked like you were gathering straw but technically you never assembled it.

It's almost an exact quote lol.

[Boonskiies]

I'm towny mctown town confirmed motha towna of all that is town.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I didn't say you didn't quote him; I felt that the only reason for your followup question would have been to imply that he was hypocritical for only focusing on Woody, especially with the way you phrased it. "Do you feel they'd scumhunted better than Woody?" feels like a leading question*; the only possible answer is "No", which then would have given you ammunition to attack.


*may not be the exact term I looking for but I don't feel like looking it up right now.

[Banakai]

Its called a loaded question

[Haschel Cedricson]

Its called a loaded question

That's the one. I, for one, appreciate you reading my posts and helping me out.

Speaking of which, perhaps you could help me out by reading my post that asked you a question on this very page and replying to it.

[Kmd4390]

I was actually attempting to determine whether there was more to the Woody read or if he was going to come up with more scum reads. I like it when other people think critically.

[Banakai]

Its called a loaded question

That's the one. I, for one, appreciate you reading my posts and helping me out.

Speaking of which, perhaps you could help me out by reading my post that asked you a question on this very page and replying to it.

Well I'm phone posting so I can't give specifics, but his reads seem to move and shift too quickly with no explanation. And he tries to defend himself basically by calling himself a VI and just declaring he is town. I also know that I would never self vote as town as I see no scenario where it would be helpful.

[RedCoyote]

Okay, time to get serious. No more dicking around. My town needs me!

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well I'm phone posting so I can't give specifics...

No worries; I'll wait for you to get to a computer.

I fundamentally disagree with your last sentence, by the way.

[Doctor Who]

These help me to see who is flying under the radar. My replacement is still carrying me.

Spoiler: Updated Activity

Keyser Söze Jul 24, 12:57pm Jul 29, 05:26pm 0 days 5 hours 100
BlueBloodedToffee Jul 24, 12:31pm Jul 28, 01:09pm 1 day 9 hours 100
WoodyWoodpecker Jul 24, 12:30pm Jul 26, 07:17am 3 days 15 hours 77
Boonskiies Jul 25, 11:34pm Jul 29, 06:41pm 0 days 4 hours 68
absta101 Jul 24, 01:15pm Jul 28, 03:42pm 1 day 7 hours 56
redFF Jul 24, 02:10pm Jul 28, 08:44pm 1 day 2 hours 48
Bulbazoor Jul 24, 04:48pm Jul 28, 09:57pm 1 day 0 hours 43
Zoronos Jul 24, 01:27pm Jul 29, 12:45pm 0 days 10 hours 35 Aug 03 2015
Banakai Jul 24, 09:54pm Jul 29, 09:33pm 0 days 1 hour 27
Haschel Cedricson Jul 24, 12:52pm Jul 29, 09:37pm 0 days 1 hour 25
Kmd4390 Jul 24, 05:56pm Jul 29, 09:07pm 0 days 1 hour 23
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Shinobi Jul 24, 10:06am Jul 29, 12:59pm 0 days 9 hours 17
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Vinkah Jul 24, 12:41pm Jul 25, 07:01am 4 days 15 hours 8
TonyMontana Jul 24, 01:04pm Jul 28, 07:58am 1 day 14 hours 8
Doctor Who Jul 26, 01:13pm Jul 29, 08:49am 0 days 13 hours 7
RedCoyote Jul 24, 06:22pm Jul 29, 09:37pm 0 days 1 hour 3

[Doctor Who]

Reading back a bit, Banakai makes this statement without context.

Also red ff is town

And then a few posts later "backs up what he meant"

Because his posts are a towns posts.

I ISO'd redFF up to this point, and the only thing of note that he had done was jump on the Woody bandwagon to put it at L-1.

@Banakai

, what did redFF specifically do in his

eight

posts before 195 that made you think he is town?

In fairness to redFF, he did unvote.

unvote

didn't kno it was l-1, still think ur scummy

mod we need a votecount pls

Note to self, follow up after Banakai answers.

[Doctor Who]

I've played with kmd before, and this is the kind of insight that stuck out ot me.

Hmm. Upset at the claim, but used "lol" twice in that post.

kmd scores townpoints because he's the first to point it out, and the "lol" he is referring to was from redFF regarding woody's claim. The double lol makes me think that redFF is scum and in reality loves that the town is already claiming.

[Doctor Who]

Spoiler: example of BBT's infatuation with Woody

Cause I was playing swordigo on my phone and didn't notice a wagon had formed

And I'd be like "cause I totally didn't see it" and it would be the truth because when I came back to the thread it was on page 2, he got votes on page 3

I also don't always go back and read what I miss right away id rather stay with current discussion

Upon closer inspection it appears that Woody can't decide what he did/didn't do.

In 55, he 'didn't notice' a wagon had formed. This would imply that he had been reading but missed the wagon forming.

In 63, he claims again that he didn't see the wagon. Again, this implies that he had read the whole game and had simply missed the votes accumulating on Haschel. Although, the section attached at the end implies that he had not gone back to read the thread, the start of his change in stance and to the reasoning he chooses to stay with.

Then in 73, he claims that he didn't go back and read the thread and this is the story he tries to stay with. His reasoning for ignoring the Haschel wagon very subtly changes and it changes to something that he claims he does all the time.

The wording of the posts are quite important because he is more relaxed during the earlier posting and it much more likely to make subtle mistakes. As the pressure starts mounting, his story changes to something that he claims he does all the time and I find this super convenient for his situation.

The other thing that I really don't like is his 'stay with current discussion' comment. The current discussion at that time was ongoing games...what did he expect to gain from that? Once he saw that the discussion was about ongoings why would he a) not read back to see how that topic come up or b) read back to see if there was anything he missed that he could actually comment on and change the current discussion to something useful?

Quite frankly, if someone either a) doesn't care enough to read the whole thread to gain context or b) quite regularly misses things (convenient play-style for scum, no?) then I don't particularly want them around even if they're town.

Now contrast how BBT vs. Woody to BBT vs. RedFF.

if u iso woodywoodpecker he has a LOT of posts, very little, if any, scumhunting. the posts are mainly contentless/defending himself

vote:woodywoodpecker

This is a bad jump on the wagon. There are a couple of votes that I want to look closely at regarding the Woody wagon and this is one of them.

Can you explain why it is scummy to defend yourself? In Woody's defence, it's extremely difficult to scum hunt when you have 4-5 people voting/attacking you.

Posting before backreading does not make one scum. In fact, if when you back read you re-read what was "current" you get more context and the benefit of reading things twice. Pushing a bullshit case is scummy.

Regarding redFF's premature L-1 on Woody, I'd argue that it is infinitely more scummy than posting before backreading. Now the kicker is that BBT recognized it too, and said that it was a bad jump on the wagon. Yet BBT (so far) isn't hunting redFF nearly as much. The BBT quote above is only part of a much larger post on many other topics.

Scum coming in late on a wagon and claiming they didn't know the vote count is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

[RedCoyote]

KS 226: Something about your WW push comes across as insincere here. This is too try hard.
BBT 229: I like this post. Solid points against absta.

I feel like BBT and I have a good report, and I've been successful at reading him in every game I've played with him so far afaik. His posts sound like townBBT.

I also like Bulba. 267 comes across as fittingly argumentative.

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If I could hear the thought-process of his 'possible scum' read it would aid my read on him.

Your posts don't always feel germane to the situation. I do not get the feeling that your arguments and points are delivered in a way that is scumhunting so much that it is you appearing to scumhunt. I've already pointed out what I've seen as some potential buddying from you, but now I'm getting this rush of overkill from you re: WW. It doesn't feel sincere and I wonder if this was the endgame all along (that you'd inevitably end up at the "WW is too easy" spot).

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Why is KS possible scum?
Why is HC town?

See above.

I have appreciated HC's blunt and straight forward thoughts. It's refreshing to see that in a game where you kind of have to posture somewhat regardless of alignment. HC has a knack for getting on my good side though. Despite our disagreements, he's asking pointed questions that should be asked.

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306 is a good KS post unless KS and Bulba are scumpartners. I don't think scumKS has reason to take the time to not only help clarify Bulba's comments, but do so in a way that paints him in a good light.

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then he starts talking about what he likes and what he doesn't like

So you don't like my fluff and you don't like when I opine on what I find townie/scummy? I don't know if you've left me much else to give you, friend...

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I love Boonskiies start to the game which is odd because I'm not used to liking much of what Boonskiies posts. Good start against absta. I hadn't really gotten any of the scumreads people were selling on absta until 327.

...but then absta brings up a good point and I wonder if Boonskiies is moving too fast for his own good.

What in the world is this? Your two scum reads are me and Keyser, why would you jump on the RC waggon saying you got nothing?
RC according to you was null-town and then you swap this to leaning-scum because he only has 1 post. My question is, why was he null-town?

Very odd for Boonskiies to not stick to his guns on his initial reads and instead cave the second BBT asked him to do so. It tells me that his reads did not have a lot of sincerity to them. Then again, this is Boonskiies. I know that he likes to votehop and can turn on a dime. Still, it's worth bringing up.

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said he loves the playerlist and wishes we were playing in real time and then lurks ?????

I'm still waiting to drop a fat townread on the first person with the common sense to take two seconds and look at my sitewide posting history and mention that I'm not specifically ignoring this game.

ww was an awful player but probably be town, will make a vote later

I do not know if I agree with WW as town yet. I need to see Doctor Who post some more.

VOTE: Doctor Who

This is where my vote should've been, by all rights. I'll change it if I find something better as I read on.

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You should realise by spamming all these small posts you are hurting town. It makes the game harder to follow for everyone else.

Amen.

Unlike absta/KS, I think Boonskiies explanation of his vote on me was okay. I could stand for him to be less defensive about it, but the story checks out.

absta, Boonskiies, BBT, HC and Zoro are all giving me town vibes right now.

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He's probably scum. So is Red. I'm looking for the third player at the moment.

absta, Boonskiies, BBT, HC and

Zoro

are all giving me town vibes right now.

I don't like this, Zoro. You are supporting from afar. This is exactly what I disliked about WW as well. Further, why are you looking for all three scum on D1? How about you try focusing on pressuing one person you find to be scummy? How about showing us your work rather than just throwing random names out there and calling them scum?

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I bought idiot town for woody, but I have a hard time believing this slot was simply idiot town twice.

What difference does this make to the slot's alignment whatsoever? Further, I don't buy the substance behind the vote.

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I like Doctor Who's start so far, but would like to see him place down a vote.

I also like HC's Banakai case, and given that I know deep down I want to give Doctor Who more room to grow with us (my WW case was always on the weak end, but given that I wasn't around during most of the juicy bits, I couldn't really express that through voting as clearly as I would've liked).

UNVOTE: Doctor Who; VOTE: Banakai

For right now, consider me a sheep, though I have a couple of points of my own I would like to sprinkle in later (this catchup post will be long enough without me writing this out).

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nice

keyser u r kind of dominating and clogging the thread a lil, making it hard & annoying 2 read

maybe slow ur roll there champ, cut the inane 6 post in a row rants

This, ffs.

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@RC - See you again in another 2 days!

I really wanted to knock this out tonight, but I'm so beat, guys. We'll try 'er again tomorrow.