League of Legends (Old)

[zoraster]

Righteous glory isn't great on soraka because you kind of want to avoid building health. Warmogs is viable because of the regen, but you're better with talisman than righteous glory and there are better uses for you. Ardent censer is a pretty good item on straka.

Consensual clown, a challenger straka only player, recently did an AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegend ... ed_top_50/

[Oman]

Ugh. Do not want meta teemo top lane.

[Iecerint]

Ardent Censer forever

[quadz08]

I like censer on raka

that guy has a decent post down in the AMA about how health stacking on raka is mathematically super bad which is interesting cause I thought the opposite, but I'll trust someone who has ostensibly done the math.

[zoraster]

It's not hard math actually. Your W (your signature ability) has a 10% max health cost. If you have 1000 health it's 100 per cast. If you have 2000 health it's 200 per cast. So while more health DOES provide some survivability, you'd much prefer to have resistances because effective hit points go up while your W cost doesn't change. It's true that the Q does return in part based on missing health, but it does so at a very low rate compared to your W's cost (if you're at 50% health, you only get an additional 0.5% of your health per enemy hit.

Overall, it's better to have AP or resistances on Soraka than health.

[Voidedmafia]

OMG. TEEMO CAN THROW SHROOMS AT YOU NOW. Well on PBE.

Edit: For those that haven't seen, the range has been increased at all levels and scales so it's now 300/600/900 and if his shroom would land on a shroom already placed it will bounce 3/4/5 Teemos before dropping. So say hello to shroom skipping when sieging.

FUCK THAT SHIT.

Voided, a mikael's would have gone great.

I also see sorakas building Warmogs but I can't attest to the viability of that, but mikaels is definitely a higher priority than say, frozen heart (they only had one real autoattack threat in jinx, and she wasn't even fully fed) Mikaels could have cleansed a Teemo blind or shen taunt.

That being said, I think Ardent was an okay buy considering your teamcomp- all of them are heavy autoattackers. It's stronger earlier in the game now, with the bonus magic damage on hit being unimportant late.

If you have been interested in a more defensive item, you could have bipassed the ardent and gone for a banshee's veil- Helps against teemo shrooms, ezreal poke. etc.

pedit-

Eh, I still think Mikaels

I thought about that for the taunt, but I figured it was unnecessary because only Shen had something worth cleansing and other than the mid-game Cait had actually stayed back relatively well.

So, maybe Randuin's instead of FH (at least noting when someone else gets a FH), but keep the Censer. Dunno about the new Zeke's , though.

[zoraster]

Randuins is a much worse buy than FH. FH got her to 40% CD reduction. The aura is mostly useless as Soraka, sadly, but the extra health on Randuin's is reduced in efficiency as noted above compared to the extra Armor on FH. And the number of times you'd use the Randuin's active on Soraka is very little as a sixth item.

Both are kind of iffy though. Against that team comp, I think the best choices are AP (hourglass possibly), Warmogs or Banshee's Veil.


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The Real Problem With the Build Isn't the 6th Item

Truthfully, reviewing it I can't believe people didn't bring up the fact that he wasted oodles of gold by waiting until the 24th minute to get a sightstone. at the 7:43 mark he bought boots, a mana potion, 4 biscuits, a pink a green, and a medallion when he could have bought (with that amount of gold) a straight sightstone and boots plus a biscuit (or if he needed that many potions, a sightstone + potions). At the 14 minute mark he in turn buys 3 green wards (spending almost a full 7 minutes with only his pink and a green on the map other than his trinket).

The medallion upgrade ONLY gets you at max 20 gold per minute when laning over a coin, and that's with perfect CSing. So over that 7 minute period, he gained at max 140 gold over coin at the cost of a ton of map vision. Then he comes back and spends 225 gold on green wards -- so he's already negated any gold gains he would have gotten for that. From 7:43 (when he could have gotten a sightstone) until 24:19 (roughly 16:30), he buys a total of 6 green wards for 450 gold he could have had in his pocket. That's a lot of wards to buy, but it's important to note that he's averaging 0.29 real wards per minute in the opening 24:19, which just isn't good enough even though he's spending a lot of gold on it.

All that's kind of interesting to me because he actually manages to place 42 wards during the game, though doubtless many are trinkets that's still a ton and a very respectable number... it just has to be pretty weighted toward the end game when the early game needs some love.

[Espeonage]

Buying a sightstone after bot lane is level nine is a waste of gold. You want to have it, but at that point in the game money is better spent elsewhere seeing as everyone should be upgrading trinkets on first back after they hit level 9.

[Gendaberry]

@Espeonage It's not a case of being bad at the role, or I probably wouldn't have got to mid-high Diamond by spamming it in the first place. Its more that I just don't find the role as fun as I used to.

Zoraster is right though, didn't notice that you got the sightstone so late. You really should be looking towards finishing it as fast as possible, 24 min is far too late of a sightstone pickup.

[zoraster]

Buying a sightstone after bot lane is level nine is a waste of gold. You want to have it, but at that point in the game money is better spent elsewhere seeing as everyone should be upgrading trinkets on first back after they hit level 9.

It's rare to be level 9+ and get a sightstone for me, but I disagree with this whole heartedly. First, the number of times I've seen everyone get a trinket upgrade on their first back after 9 (at least in Gold) is approximately zero. We work with the teammates we have, not the ones we wish we had. Second, if the implication is that you should just upgrade your own trinket to Great Stealth Totem, you miss out on the very important sweeper/Oracle's Lens on support. Third, assuming that you're arguing for Great Stealth Totem instead, this leaves you with a max of 2 wards to place in an instant which is less than ideal AND it means you're warding at a less than replacement rate so even if they never sweep it's impossible to keep 3 wards on the map.

As a support late game, you want to be able to keep three wards up at all time, but you ALSO want to have flexibility in where your wards are. There are plenty of times I've warded for drag and I want to run to baron to establish vision there before the other team can react, destroying wards that had only been down for a minute or so. And there are lots of instances like that.

[quadz08]

I totally agree with zor!

[Psyche]

OMG. TEEMO CAN THROW SHROOMS AT YOU NOW. Well on PBE.

Edit: For those that haven't seen, the range has been increased at all levels and scales so it's now 300/600/900 and if his shroom would land on a shroom already placed it will bounce 3/4/5 Teemos before dropping. So say hello to shroom skipping when sieging.

excitement

[Voidedmafia]

Zoraster is right though, didn't notice that you got the sightstone so late. You really should be looking towards finishing it as fast as possible, 24 min is far too late of a sightstone pickup.

Well, like I said, it's my first time playing support in a long time (since either my S4 placements or late S3), so I am a little out of touch there. SS should be my 1st buy either with or before boots, but still.

[Oversoul]

Zor are you a pro at league now? Your analysis is on point

[Psyche]

i think i'm officially a heimer main rather than a teemo main
i'll celebrate through consumerism

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

You're a spawn ot evil for maining those two. Time will tell if you'll eventually complete the trifecta and add Yorick

[Psyche]

I was thinking of fizz but so far it's not sticking.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No, you're in dire need of another lanebully that wrecks lane. Quinn perhaps?

[Espeonage]

Quinn is just a better Teemo. And stay away from my bae.

[Psyche]

you take that back esp

[Psyche]

i'm level 30 guys!!

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Grats! Good luck getting queued with people way better then you now

[BROseidon]

Consider Righteous Glory core on 99% on your supports. It's just too good to leave behind. Combined with Talisman it's actually pretty crazy

No.

RG is for top laners and junglers.

[Oversoul]

I build Righteous glory + Talisman on Nautilus support. Pretty fun with the masteries that reduce cool down of active items

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Consider Righteous Glory core on 99% on your supports. It's just too good to leave behind. Combined with Talisman it's actually pretty crazy

No.

RG is for top laners and junglers.

And supports. Because dare I say in this tank meta there are still enough Rumbles and Rivens top, or Yis and Udyrs jungle who don't build this