Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Kmd4390]

Redff, how is Woody's behavior explained as VI town?

[redFF]

cause scum aint that obviously bad, it's been a while since ive looked at woody's posts tho id have to go check to give you examples

[Kmd4390]

So too scummy to be scum?

[Keyser Söze]

Catching up, Part One:

Finally, remember this?

I'd hardly call my read passionate/determined when

haschel basically forced me to make a case

I didn't force him to make a case; I forced him to tell us the case that he claims he already had, and now he tries to twist it around like I'm the bad guy for doing so? He was voting Boonskiies for "obvious reasons" but now he's lukewarm to his entire read? Nonsense. This guy is absolutely our lynch today.

A valid point; Banakai supposedly had a whole case already written up. Is this Banakai stepping away from his wagon-drive on Boonskies?

Prod response.

I'm on holiday, visiting my parents, will be back after the weekend.

I do not want to rush into a lynch with TonyMontana (my scum-lean read) pending input today - plus, there are 4 days left on the clock. It may well be the last day for one of us - get your thoughts and scum-reads down now.

@RC the absta wagon can start again if u want to i'd be down tbh

I feel like this wagon faded out suspiciously quickly and without fanfair, wasn't he at l-1 at one point? gonna check out the absta wagon formation and its quiet dissipation when i get the time.

BBT is striking me as super over the top in his agressiveness, and his attempts to instill himself as the town 'leader' feel like a way to suppress dissenting opinion. he just seems to be a control freak who thinks he's better than the rest of us tbh, i gotta have another read but i still think he's scummy.

"the absta wagon can start again if u want to i'd be down tbh"

- I see this as a town post - to post this in open view would be dangerous for scum (plus, scum usually push the most current wagon, unless creating a counter wagon to take votes off their scum partner. Here, redFF has made this too obvious to be scum. I too, am not finished with the absta101 wagon.

Something which unnerves me, was BlueBloodedToffee's vote and unvote on absta101. He is now emphasing that we have enough to go on for D1 and is happy to jump on one of the leading wagons (personally, I think he has concentrated more on absta101, TonyMontana and redFF):

Alright, we still have 5 days but

I think 32 pages for D1 is more than enough

and nobody seems interested in Tony lurking out the whole of D1 so;

VOTE: Banakai

[Keyser Söze]

Catching up, Part Two:

So doctor... Your thoughts on red analysis and reads?

Where does that lead you?

Bulbazoor, tell me who are your main scum-reads. Too many questions (which you do not follow up with).

Do NOT include your thoughts on Banakai.

The Liam Neeson thing did say "look at me, I'm town" and

what surprised me is that you didn't follow it up by listing yourself as town

. I wasn't sure if you were going to keep the running notes on alignment either.

I do not understand when people list themselves as a town-read. I do find it amusing however.

In defense of me posting elsewhere, thats only low-effort phone-posting in a game near end-game which didnt require much of me.

I didn't recall seeing anyone noting you were posting elsewhere

, I'm surprised you brought it up.

I believe I did. It's not a reason I'd vote for him though:

@Mod

Can you also please give TonyMontana a gentle prod - he's been posting elsewhere but neglecting this game

17 minutes between these two posts, and based on when you posted you went from page 2 (post 26) to page 15. Frankly,

when someone is able to catch up so quickly it makes me think they are scum since they already know who their buddies are and they just need to bandwagon a townie and make sure one of their scumbuddies doesn't get lynched

.

These were my thoughts too - I think TonyMontana's lurking slot deserves 'attention' before the deadline.

[Keyser Söze]

This is where I am:

I do not want these lynched D1:
Kmd4390
Red Coyote
Doctor Who
Haschel Cedricson
Zoronos
redff

Uncomfortable zone:
Bulbazoor
Boonskiies
BlueBloodedToffee

Uncomfortable zone:
Banakai
Tony Montana
absta101


I do not think Boonskiies-Banakai or Doctor Who-BlueBloodedToffee is scum-scum.

More of my town-lean reads are on the Banakai wagon. More of my scum-lean reads are on the Boonskiies wagon. Even though I believe a Boonskiies flip would tell us alot about other players, I do not want to lynch a player I town-lean (weak) read. But I would prefer a Boonskiies/Banakai lynch than a no lynch. I currently do not like the Banakai lynch because I fear possible opportunistic scum-play by BlueBloodedToffee and absta101.

I'm liking redFF as town now (he has become a vocal (direct) player - he has been more motivated versus the 1st half of D1). I liked his stance that it shouldn't be a case of choosing between

Boonskiies or Banakai

.

VOTE: absta101

[Doctor Who]

Redff, how do you distinguish from childish idiotic selfish bad VI town and childish idiotic selfish bad VI scum?

Doctor Who, do you think Boon and BBT are scum together? If not, what was the purpose of that statement?

I agree with Doctor Who and absta that people should pick a wagon.

Currently I've got Null on Boon's slot, and scum on BBT's. It seemed to me that there was a lot of discussion about if one of them was scum, but not both. I'm into numbers, and just wanted to make sure all of the possibilities are considered.

[absta101]

@Keyser - How am I being opportunistic?

[Doctor Who]

There's plenty of time left to start a new wagon absta (and BBT), especially considering you helped got one to L-1 within about 9 hours of the start of the game on Woody.

I'm willing to go with VOTE: absta101. I'd rather see BBT hang, but I was the only one on his wagon.

Absta put a pretty scummy vote on me earlier today.

Alright good stuff.
VOTE: Woody

Here is the wagon that got to L-1 on me. This early in the game I can't help but think it was loaded with scum. My favorite part was when rediff cast the L-1 vote. I'm anxious to see if BBT gets in his grill for not paying attention. He hasn't posted yet in my read through after these happened.

At least everyone has shown up now.

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is ?EST; updated through post 175
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
WoodyWoodpecker_____6______Vinkah (9), BlueBloodedToffee (66), Keyser Söze (72),

absta101 (132)

, Bulbazoor (138), redff (168)
no vote_____________2______Banakai, RedCoyote
absta101____________1______Zoronos (102)
BlueBloodedToffee___1______Kmd4390 (144)
Haschel Cedricson___1______WoodyWoodpecker (51)
Kmd4390_____________1______TonyMontana (13)
unvote______________1______Haschel Cedricson (76)

An absta or Bulb lynch would clear settle this, Bulb did say that he confused the order in which he wrote it.

gree. I have no tolerance for players like he is playing in this game. Absta is ww or town. Instead of the latter, I believe him to he town because of the linez of thinking he posts. The conversation with kmd was fishy but It does not prove his alignment to be

Interesting that
1) you go out of your way to identify the only two possibilities for absta (not rocket science)
2) you list him as ww first (people generally put their best guess first)
3)"Instead of the latter" - the latter as you stated is town, so you essentially wrote "Instead of town, I believe him to be town"

I"m not sure what to make of it.

Finally, it seemed like he started off acting like town in his first sentence, but in his second sentence I believe he identifies himself as scum. Why complain about making the game harder for

everyone else

(as in not town) if he is town? I don't believe I got a response to my question either.

You should realise by spamming all these small posts you are hurting town. It makes the game harder to follow for everyone else.

Boonskiies is hurting town, but then who are the "everyone else" in your second sentence?

[Doctor Who]

I believe this is current:

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 808
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
Banakai_____________5______Haschel Cedricson (502), RedCoyote (649), Bulbazoor (702), Boonskiies (710), BlueBloodedToffee (788)
absta101____________4______Zoronos (102), redff (790), Keyser Söze (805), Doctor Who (808)
Boonskiies__________4______absta101 (422), Banakai (472), TonyMontana (533), Kmd4390 (592)

___

And here is the prior Absta wagon that got to L-2. kmd, boon, and BBT were on your wagon before (as someone previously noted, BBT's vote seemed to come off absta rather quickly) and not on it now. I'd say there is a decent chance now you are today's lynch.

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 564
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
absta101____________5______Zoronos (102), Kmd4390 (175), Boonskiies (485), redff (531), BlueBloodedToffee (564)
Boonskiies__________3______absta101 (422), Banakai (472), TonyMontana (533)
unvote______________2______Bulbazoor (301), Keyser Söze (510)
Banakai_____________1______Haschel Cedricson (502)
Bulbazoor___________1______Doctor Who (169)
no vote_____________1______RedCoyote

@absta

- who are your top three suspects and why?

[Zoronos]

Sorry for the long absence - Was out of town and keeping up via phone proved nearly impossible. Quick catchup overview.

I read back over Banakai's ISO this morning, and I'm not seeing overtly scummy behavior. I am not enthused to vote there without a good reason for what I'm missing.

BBT basically talked me out of Boon before I left, but if it's Banakai vs Boon that's where I'm voting. My gut still dislikes that slot.

I asked Tony questions before I left, and a quick ISO glance showed me he never answered. My problem with Tony is similar to my problem with RedFF. He's done basically nothing to hunt scum, and is showing no desire to have his opinions listened to or pushed.
Between the two at the moment I'd rather vote RedFF.

I'm pretty happy lynching Absta still.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zoro, I'd be interested in getting a Tony wagon started if you're up for it?

It's difficult to get people to vote for someone who is lurking though so it's a difficult wagon to push. Some help would be appreciated.

[Doctor Who]

So doctor... Your thoughts on red analysis and reads?

red who?

SorrynI meant coyote

Working on my thoughts on everyone.

[Keyser Söze]

@Keyser - How am I being opportunistic?

Will post this later.

Zoro, I'd be interested in getting a Tony wagon started if you're up for it?

It's difficult to get people to vote for someone who is lurking though so it's a difficult wagon to push. Some help would be appreciated.

There's no point knocking on TonyMontana's door, when no one's at home. Press the active players for now.

IMO, TonyMontana has got to catch-up with the thread first ,

then

we smash his back doors in

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, but he has gone through the whole of D1 doing nothing...

[Keyser Söze]

Between the two at the moment I'd rather vote RedFF.

If you read RedFF as scummy, do you think he is trying to start a counter-wagon on absta101?

More than half of town were very much set on Banakai vs Boonskiies.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Also, the people calling my jump on the Banakai wagon weak need to ISO me; I have stated he is scummy on multiple occasions so I would like to know exactly what your problem is.

[Zoronos]

If you read RedFF as scummy, do you think he is trying to start a counter-wagon on absta101?

More than half of town were very much set on Banakai vs Boonskiies.

Yes, I think it is immanently possible. That's why I feel like I need to re-read Absta.
The reads from my gut are not lining up with the reads from my reasoning, and that's usually a sign (for me) that I need to do some re-read and rethink.

[Kmd4390]

Keyser, why is redff continuing to push absta "too obvous"? I personally don't see it as telling one way or the other.

Doctor Who, null reading Boon right now isn't good. Him being lynched is a very real possibility. Can you look into him a little closer and come up with a read?

[absta101]

Keyser voting me for no reason. Doctor voting me for no reason. Zoro, voting me since the beginning of the game (tunnel). Amazing stuff.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can I get some votes/thoughts/opinions/a sentence about Tony please? The guy isn't just lurking; his 'catch up' was lacking any sort of content/analysis and he just hopped aboard the Boon wagon with no reasoning at all.

I don't understand why nobody is paying him any attention.

[absta101]

@Doctor

Finally, it seemed like he started off acting like town in his first sentence, but in his second sentence I believe he identifies himself as scum. Why complain about making the game harder for everyone else (as in not town) if he is town? I don't believe I got a response to my question either.

Really, Is this what you are going for?
"It makes the game harder for everyone else" literally means it makes the game harder for everyone to follow (other than the person spamming the thread). How would you even think this is a scum-slip? You are obviously making up these shit reasons just so you can park your vote on me.

Absta put a pretty scummy vote on me earlier today.

Why was it scummy? You can't just quote my vote and call it scummy...
Look how much sense this makes:

I'm willing to go with VOTE: absta101

Doctor put a pretty scummy vote on me earlier today.

[absta101]

@absta - who are your top three suspects and why?

Nothing has changed other than your slot looking scummy again. Your reason for voting me doesn't seem genuine at all.

[Keyser Söze]

Can I get some votes/thoughts/opinions/a sentence about Tony please? The guy isn't just lurking; his 'catch up' was lacking any sort of content/analysis and he just hopped aboard the Boon wagon with no reasoning at all.

I don't understand why nobody is paying him any attention.

TonyMontana is very much in my Uncomfortable D1 Lynch Pool list:
post 576
post 659
post 689


But while absta101 is online - I need to explain my scum-read on him. absta101 can defend himself. Atm, TonyMontana can't.

[absta101]

@Keyser

"the absta wagon can start again if u want to i'd be down tbh" - I see this as a town post - to post this in open view would be dangerous for scum (plus, scum usually push the most current wagon,

unless creating a counter wagon to take votes off their scum partner

. Here, redFF has made this too obvious to be scum.

You point out a scum motivation for what he did and then you say he's town because that theory is too obvious? What is up with the "too obvious/bad to be scum" reads this game.

There's also the scum motivation of creating panic in the town as the deadline approaches so we rush lynch someone.