Newbie 1633: The Daily Show-A Retrospective - GAME OVER

[YurikoJasmine]

I admit I should have said "two out of us" instead of "two of us" but it's obviously a typo

[YurikoJasmine]

I concur that the "us" thing is a minor/negligible issue, but there is more than enough reasoning outside of it for Yuriko to be lynched

Such as? I don't recall you saying anything except that I "didn't say anything of use" or sth like that

[YurikoJasmine]

Nvm I mixed you up with the other replacement since I only skimmed on my phone. Will get home in a few hours and do a proper re read as promised

[Dwlee99]

I meant "the two people (mark and axel) out of us (everyone)" you genius. As if I would every make such stupid mistake to scum-claim myself.

What change of story are you talking about

Calling someone stupid extremely sarcastically, what a town-read I get from that. :O

[Lowercase]

Phew, it's a good thing you chimed in when you did. You were about to get prodded.

[Mathilda]

I concur that the "us" thing is a minor/negligible issue, but there is more than enough reasoning outside of it for Yuriko to be lynched

Such as? I don't recall you saying anything except that I "didn't say anything of use" or sth like that

I would also like to know the answer to this question.

We're all just reaching in the dark at the moment trying to find anything to incriminate someone no matter how minor. Yuriko has plausible explanations for everything counting against her (the slip up with 'us', short posts because she is on a phone and not a native speaker). I would be interested to see if there was anything definite against her such as a contradiction or her story changing.

At the moment the most damning thing about her posts is that you can look at them and say that she hasn't really done any scum hunting. If she was scum then she would do well with the posts that she has made to just give the appearance of playing at town. That in itself is actually worthy of being lynched. But can we make that same accusation about other players on here to the same extent? What do the rest of you think?

[Draynth]

Sorry for the inactivity guys, will have some posts by tonight!

[YurikoJasmine]

I meant "the two people (mark and axel) out of us (everyone)" you genius. As if I would every make such stupid mistake to scum-claim myself.

What change of story are you talking about

Calling someone stupid extremely sarcastically, what a town-read I get from that. :O

is ^this supposed to be read as sarcasm coz I don't get the feeling that you're town reading me but I don't see how my post above is scummy in any way.

do you think all the people on my wagon are town? If I were scum, who is the other scum in your opinion?

[YurikoJasmine]

and-- why is my vote on you OMGUS while yours is not?

[YurikoJasmine]

It is less likely that town will quit because they are not winning than scum though.

all four newbies have been replaced (/meh). They can't all be scum, so your post is basically void unless you can come up with a way to distinguish the four replacements

[Mathilda]

It is less likely that town will quit because they are not winning than scum though.

all four newbies have been replaced (/meh).

They can't all be scum

, so your post is basically void unless you can come up with a way to distinguish the four replacements

That was my point.

[Mathilda]

To summarise what I was saying:

There are three relevant reasons why newbies quit

1) They get bored
2) It's too confusing
3) They're losing

1) Townies are more likely to quit than scum
2) Townies are more likely to quit than scum
3) Scum are more likely to quit but possibly townie power roles too

[Lowercase]

First off, I've cooled off on the Gratuitous thing. More because I'm starting to see that dwlee is ridiculously scummy than anything else.

For the record though, the things Mathilda says would suggest that scum are the least likely to replace out and that PR's may be more likely to replace out than VT's. In actual fact scum are most likely to replace out and PR's are least likely. I would guess the reason for the difference between scum and town is that the two factions are essentially playing entirely different games. For town it's a game about figuring out what's going on, whereas for scum it's about deception. My central argument is that ZS replaced out instead of giving a reads list like he promised.

For town, all you need to do to give a reads list is put down whatever thoughts you have about each player. You don't need to be clever or insightful, really. Anything you put comes from a place of authenticity pretty much by default.

As scum, your reads are complete lies that you need to justify with BS. Then there's the added pressure that people will try to see if the reads are authentic, which you know they are not.

If the replace out was related to difficulty giving reads, which it looks like it was, then it makes way more sense from scum. That is the point I'm making; you don't have to buy it.

On another note, what do people think about dwlee. Imo, pretty poor posting and not a lot of it.

[Dwlee99]

First off, I've cooled off on the Gratuitous thing. More because I'm starting to see that dwlee is ridiculously scummy than anything else.

For the record though, the things Mathilda says would suggest that scum are the least likely to replace out and that PR's may be more likely to replace out than VT's. In actual fact scum are most likely to replace out and PR's are least likely. I would guess the reason for the difference between scum and town is that the two factions are essentially playing entirely different games. For town it's a game about figuring out what's going on, whereas for scum it's about deception. My central argument is that ZS replaced out instead of giving a reads list like he promised.

For town, all you need to do to give a reads list is put down whatever thoughts you have about each player. You don't need to be clever or insightful, really. Anything you put comes from a place of authenticity pretty much by default.

As scum, your reads are complete lies that you need to justify with BS. Then there's the added pressure that people will try to see if the reads are authentic, which you know they are not.

If the replace out was related to difficulty giving reads, which it looks like it was, then it makes way more sense from scum. That is the point I'm making; you don't have to buy it.

On another note, what do people think about dwlee. Imo, pretty poor posting and not a lot of it.

Explain how I'm more scummy than yuri, they totally OMGUS'd me.

[Draynth]

I still think Necargoface is the scummiest person in the game. I outlined my initial case in 93.
In 137 he says '

Honest's vote was not clearly an RV

and was at a time where RV's are becoming more uncommon

'.
The underlined is blatantly not true. There was 0 way to tell whether the vote was an RV or not, and the end result doesn't matter because it doesn't justify the scum read in the first place.
I answered his 167 in 173.
The other

major

concern that I have with the slot is A)His level of activity (not particularly alignment indicitave however) and B) The fact that he has done 0 scumhunting. The

only

'ScumHunting' he has done was on the Honest slot and even then that was shady at best.
For those who don't see this slot as scummy, could you explain why?

[Lowercase]

@dwlee: Yuriko did not OMGUS you, you OMGUS'd her.

Your opening post suggests you should be posting more, but all you've done is come up with a flimsy reason to attack the slot everyone else was complaining about.

You just prod dodged with a post that was both a misread and would have been irrelevant even if it wasn't. (She wasn't saying anyone was stupid; it wouldn't matter if she had been).

@Draynth: Maybe it was because I wasn't reading it as it happened, but I had assumed honest was not RV'ing myself. I don't think his post quality is as bad as you make it out to be.

[Lowercase]

Minor errata: I guess she was implying that BBT was stupid. Nonetheless, it's irrelevant.

[Draynth]

@Draynth: Maybe it was because I wasn't reading it as it happened, but I had assumed honest was not RV'ing myself. I don't think his post quality is as bad as you make it out to be.

What made you assume that it wasn't an RV?

[Gratuitous]

@Mathilda: See #162 for the bulk of my reasoning.

If you disagree, who do you think is scum?

[Mathilda]

@Mathilda: See #162 for the bulk of my reasoning.

If you disagree, who do you think is scum?

I don't disagree. I'm leaning scum on Yuri as well, but I always question myself and try to re-evaluate my conclusions to see if there is something that I am missing. I suppose for me the main problem with her posts has been how they have been light on content. There's no real sense that she's actively trying to find out who the Mafia are. It's easy to just question everything without any actually adding anything. It just adds to the confusion and distracts town. I would vote for her.

I feel that Draynth, BBT, Dierfier, Lowercase are town. I am neutral on you, dwlee99 and necargoface. I need to examine all your posts in more detail.

[Mathilda]

If I was going to hazard a guess right now at the second Mafia I would suggest necargoface.

[Lowercase]

@Dranyth: The context of the vote looked like he was pushing back at BBT for encouraging the early wagon. There may have been more to it but that's just how I saw it at the time. It's possible I had read his justification first and forgot.

I really don't understand how no one else seems skeptical of dwlee. He could have at least responded to the last post I directed at him.

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee: Yuriko did not OMGUS you, you OMGUS'd her.

Your opening post suggests you should be posting more, but all you've done is come up with a flimsy reason to attack the slot everyone else was complaining about.

You just prod dodged with a post that was both a misread and would have been irrelevant even if it wasn't. (She wasn't saying anyone was stupid; it wouldn't matter if she had been).

@Draynth: Maybe it was because I wasn't reading it as it happened, but I had assumed honest was not RV'ing myself. I don't think his post quality is as bad as you make it out to be.

I called them suspicious and they voted me. That's OMGUSing..

[Gratuitous]

@Lowercase, I know what you're saying with him. At this point I just can't see YJ & DWlee as scum together, and believe YJ is most likely to flip scum

[Dierfire]

@Yuriko

I'd like to ask you to provide your impressions of the other players that recently replaced: Mathilda (replacing Honest), Lowercase (replacing Axwell), and Gratuitous (replacing Zero) and tell me why DWL's entrance was worse.