Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[PeregrineV]

The only time ika was anything better than a null read by anyone, it seems, was on D1. After he started lurking, he was just kinda here...

TSO had him as town yesterday.

Still trying to think about what I think about that and about his response.

[Cerberus v666]

The only time ika was anything better than a null read by anyone, it seems, was on D1. After he started lurking, he was just kinda here...

TSO had him as town yesterday.

Still trying to think about what I think about that and about his response.

Did he? *check iso* Well, I suppose he had him as town until he realized that ikas scum game wasn't as COMPLETELY devoid of content as he thought it would be based on the game someone linked him. So, fair. He had him as town on the basis of the meta tell not applying here.

[T S O]

I came into the thread thinking we'd somehow speedlynched vezok.

[T S O]

My pool of scum is 2 from {vezok, Nacho, mastin, LC, Jaqen}, so I'll be going from there today.

[T S O]

Kari wagon had Aristo, vezok, LC and Wicked. That makes it likely to me that one of LC or vezok is scum.

[T S O]

The only time ika was anything better than a null read by anyone, it seems, was on D1. After he started lurking, he was just kinda here...

TSO had him as town yesterday.

Still trying to think about what I think about that and about his response.

Don't think too much about it, seriously.

[Lying Cat]

Secondly, @Mastin- should I claim my role yet?

I see the advantage, but I think it best to wait.

Also, desperately need to know, why Nacho?

OK but I think this game's solved on POE.

town {mastin, constantine, cerb, wicked, me}

leaves two scum in {nacho, TSO, PV, vezok, Jaquen}

Assuming we block no kills and lynch no scum, that means the scumteam needs to hit EVERY REMAINING MISLYNCH CONSECUTIVELY. They let us investigate too many times without interfering. Now, tbf I won through that in Team Mafia, but I don't think our scum were as prepared to play that game as I was. AAAAND we have two protective roles and scum can't miss a kill.

I still think Jacky is a VI, with the emphasis on the V.

You made a good point wrt vezok.

Jingle wants to lynch TSO for safety reasons, but if he's scum then 'investigating' wicked was a serious mistake. And it's not one I think he would have made.

Leaves nacho and PV as the remaining scum.

Nacho shot down my original ika case, so I'm happy to lynch him first.

[Cerberus v666]

What's the good point about vezok that you're referring to?

[Lying Cat]

Like...I've had vezok as a reserve-suspicion in essence for the majority of the game, but the whole time, every time someone mentioned so much as a morsel of suspicion on him, there was a hurricane of defense rushing to his side, none of them being flipped scum, all insisting he was town.

I came to think they were wrong at some point (don't remember when), and fought that read, but I was pretty unique in having it.

Now

everyone

, all of a sudden, seems to have it.

[Cerberus v666]

Ohh. Yeah, absolutely. I'll check, but I don't believe vezok was ever exactly at the top of anyones town lists, he was just always less suspicious than all the lurkers. I could be wrong though, which is why I'll need to double check.

[T S O]

Nah, I'd vote vezok.

My preferred lynches today are him, LC or Nacho.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho shot down my original ika case, so I'm happy to lynch him first.

Ika's effort earlier in the game was unlike his normal scum play.

My defense of him wasn't unreasonable at all, and if I wanted to defend him based on the early game effort and the early game effort alone, I could have.

[Nachomamma8]

But lovely to know you're choosing a preferred lynch almost entirely based on ego.

[Lying Cat]

Awww! What an adorable little strawman!

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is thinking it more likely to be flipping scum here

VOTE: Lying Cat

[Wickedestjr]

Final Vote Count of Day 2

Cerberus v666 - 1 (T S O)
Flubbernugget - 2 (hiplop, Nachomamma8)

hiplop - 9 (vezokpiraka, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Shakira Confirmed, ZZZX, Wickedestjr, Cerberus v666, Kari, ika)

ika - 1 (Lying Cat)
Sonic Boom - 2 (mastin2, Jaqen Hghar)

Not Voting: Aristophanes, ika, Kari

If vezok is town, then the first seven votes of this bandwagon are all from town... I seriously doubt that.

[vezokpiraka]

Final Vote Count of Day 2

Cerberus v666 - 1 (T S O)
Flubbernugget - 2 (hiplop, Nachomamma8)

hiplop - 9 (vezokpiraka, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Shakira Confirmed, ZZZX, Wickedestjr, Cerberus v666, Kari, ika)

ika - 1 (Lying Cat)
Sonic Boom - 2 (mastin2, Jaqen Hghar)

Not Voting: Aristophanes, ika, Kari

If vezok is town, then the first seven votes of this bandwagon are all from town... I seriously doubt that.

So seven votes in a row from town is possible, but the moment I'm also town something is fishy.

I thought hiplop was scum. There was nothing to indicate he was town. I was wrong and I admit it, but don't try to say that my vote is scummy, because it's the first. I was on hiplop since yesterday and my vote is first because I voted right after night ended.

[Cerberus v666]

Final Vote Count of Day 2

Cerberus v666 - 1 (T S O)
Flubbernugget - 2 (hiplop, Nachomamma8)

hiplop - 9 (vezokpiraka, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Shakira Confirmed, ZZZX, Wickedestjr, Cerberus v666, Kari, ika)

ika - 1 (Lying Cat)
Sonic Boom - 2 (mastin2, Jaqen Hghar)

Not Voting: Aristophanes, ika, Kari

If vezok is town, then the first seven votes of this bandwagon are all from town... I seriously doubt that.

That's a pretty bad argument.. No matter how you look at that wagon, there are at least 6 town votes in a row, if you don't believe there's redirection going on, and believe I'm a town inventor. Pushing that chain from 6 to 7...without scum...isn't the most difficult thing. First lynch, 12/4 town/scum, still more town than scum even after you subtract the 6 in the middle,not exactly a scum favored pool of potential people voting.

[Wickedestjr]

If vezok is town, then I have a hard time believing that scum stayed off his bandwagon until after seven/eight votes.

If vezok is scum, then it makes much more sense for other scum to stay off the bandwagon because their partner would already be on it.

[Wickedestjr]

Also, something else I noticed last night: ika was really reluctant to give a read on vezok.

His first acknowledgment of vezok is here, in his response to Bins' reads;

vez's iso looks ok but i don't really have any experience playing with him so this read is goign to have to wait a little bit

think i have one scum game with him (where i was cult) could link you if you want meta

He is one of the only players that ika doesn't actually give a read on. (See 294 for context).

ok so im not gonna quote for jsut length reason so

lying cats, how come the PSA is a town read? I have seen games where scuums have dont such things. What about it leads to town vs scum?
ank - agree hes town
jaqu - can you elaborate why this mans iso is good? i have a few comments baout i made and the playstyle itself. but is there something eh said that give it?
shakeria - town from getgo
flub - ill prob iso later, to give much he dropped off from my existance in game

vez - he was, i should iso and compare i have had a sucm game with him but he died n1...

ZZZX - freeness? elaborate? i dont diagree hes town but i kinda have other reaosns for it based on his play

cerb - gut call says he town
wicked - who?

mastin - i would lynch in a heartbead honestly its pretty clear what masitn doing and i think its shitty and fake
SB - dont get me started

kari - day 1 policy?

bins - ill iso and decide
hiplop - can i see jpg? but inseriosu i can link a few games if you would like to use meta i find him unreadable

Again.

He later has vezok listed as a lynchable player, but never gave any reason for why.

[vezokpiraka]

Shakira Confirmed
Kari
Wickedestjr
Jaqen Hghar
Flubbernugget
Cerberus v666
Nachomamma8
-------- line of lynchabilty
Sonic Boom
Lying Cat
mastin2
vezokpiraka
Aristophanes
T S O

also i like how lying is misreping my meta and fails to realize thats not how my scum meta works. also i have already stated that titus hardly knows about my meta either. there is only one perosn who knows it to the point and argubly knows it better then me

And ika moved ankamius from town to his top scumread. How did that not catch your eye?

[vezokpiraka]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius, Bins, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

This is the hiplop wagon at the end of day 1. All flipped scum are of the main wagons.

[Wickedestjr]

And ika moved ankamius from town to his top scumread. How did that not catch your eye?

Why should it catch my eye? I wouldn't necessarily expect ika to do that to a partner.

[Wickedestjr]

Final Vote Count of Day 1

Bins - 5 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr, hiplop)
hiplop - 8 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom, Tere, Ankamius, Bins, Cerberus v666)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 1 (Shakira Confirmed)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

The day has ended in a No Lynch. It is now Night 1. Day 2 will start in (expired on 2015-06-19 23:20:41).

This is the hiplop wagon at the end of day 1. All flipped scum are of the main wagons.

What's your point?

[mastin2]

I'm not sure what's happening with this day, but I'm not liking it. We have wagons on aristophanes and ika and no votes on kari. I like the aristophanes wagon a lot more than the ika wagon and will probably jump on it.

This looks like not scum, as in picks scum over town, and when picking scum, picks their PR over their goon.

I'll need to double-check, but I'm pretty sure this is actually a good point, which makes the ease of the vezok wagon all the more unnerving. (Granted, if PV's scum and vezok's scum, he needs to defend vezok, but if vezok is town, this throws into doubt if PV would be scum.)

I need to think.

And frankly.
I'm thinking that I might try to reread the whole game, in spite of it having been years since I last did that (reread an entire game), probably for good reason. But I'm thinking of pulling the Plotinus and doing it anyway, because this game has a TON of info. It should be ridiculously easy for us to find the answer out by looking at all the facts we have, minus the known factors (e.g. flipped TvT).

May or may not get around to it tonight.