Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Doctor Who]

@absta - who are your top three suspects and why?

Nothing has changed other than your slot looking scummy again. Your reason for voting me doesn't seem genuine at all.

Not willing to leave a trail when you are one of the three possible lynches. Noted.

[Doctor Who]

What bad thing did tony do?

This is what I have on Tony.

Three posts in sequence from Tony's ISO

Having been away for a few years, I might ask about certain lingo.

For starters, i understand what a Pedit is, but why is it called that?

Hey, sorry for the slow start, busy weekend, reading up now.

In defense of me posting elsewhere, thats only low-effort phone-posting in a game near end-game which didnt require much of me.

17 minutes between these two posts, and based on when you posted you went from page 2 (post 26) to page 15. Frankly, when someone is able to catch up so quickly it makes me think they are scum since they already know who their buddies are and they just need to bandwagon a townie and make sure one of their scumbuddies doesn't get lynched.

Up to page 15 note:
Boonski has been making a lot of posts, yet have been saying little of note.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right, sorry about that, i see how it would be an issue

So you are not going to revote? You're fine leaving it where it is?

[Doctor Who]

I have basically no opinion about Banakai. He doesn't have a ton of content, is a null and I haven't had time to work on sorting him.

Hoping this changes. You really should have a read on someone when they're one of the leading wagons, and if you don't, you should probably do something about that.

The above is the reason I discarded the case. It was not a good case in the first place. Also you seem to be selectively reading my posts, as I also mentioned what I meant by the last quote. At the time of making the case I wouldn't call myself passionate. Afterwatds and looking back at it only then could you call it "passionate". When I made the case I wasn't even sure who I wanted to vote.

But this isn't what you said when you discarded it. You said that Boon had made himself so obviously scum that you felt like you didn't need to post your case. Which is radically different from what you're now claiming.

BBT is striking me as super over the top in his agressiveness, and his attempts to instill himself as the town 'leader' feel like a way to suppress dissenting opinion. he just seems to be a control freak who thinks he's better than the rest of us tbh

You're scum reading me based on play-style and you should stop doing that.

So you started a BS wagon on me because you didn't know it was an open setup!?!?

No...where the hell did you get that from?

Zoro is busy looking for associative tells on D1, which is kind of fake scumhunting, imo. Further, I think his points against redFF are lazy and uninspired.

I'm not seeing this at all RC; can you expand on it? I don't get your town read on the redff slot.

I had the name wrong, it wasn't

R

C it was the

H

C wagon. This is the post.

they're not paying attention to. For example, should we lynch Haschel at any point and he flips scum, I will look back at RVS and be

Wow, what a great way to misrep somebody by completely taking their post out of context. Keyser asked me what I thought it could mean, I answered by providing an example.

I was thinking you were suffering from some serious conf bias on my slot but I'm really starting to doubt that now.

1) The case against Woody was based on him not backreading before posting, which you yourself have noted isn't scummy anymore. It ended up being a wagon that just let the scum know a claim.
2) The flurry of votes that it picked up, again for no good reason.
3) The accidental L-1 vote, it could have been a hammer had there been another vote
4) That all this happened by post 168 - how much info was out there by then? How many people hadn't posted anything of substance? Scum would have loved a Day 1 mislynch with the town having almost nothing to go on.

This isn't rocket science BBT.

OK, so I asked you about the

timing

of the wagon and you go ahead and give me your

analysis

of the wagon which in no way answers my question. I mean, I guess *4* answers the question but the obvious flip-side is that if the wagon was picking up steam and it was town who was jumping on; why would scum feel the need to get involved?

Fast moving early wagons are generally not considered pro-town so it's dangerous for scum to hop on, especially if they don't have sound reasoning. So, yeah, I don't get your timing comment at all.

You didn't comment on the main part of what I wrote. According to your value system, woody was scummy for not being aware of what happened in the game for a lack of back reading. That would make redFF's L-1 vote on Woody (where he didn't even know it was L-1, it could have been L-0) even scummier. You've clearly been pushing for a Woody lynch, yet redFF does something scummier and it hardly pinged your radar.

Town would go with their strongest scum read. One way of catching scum is observing when they don't play consistently.

It would seem the majority of your read on me is based on the assumption that Redff is scum; which I'm sure I don't need to tell you is a horrible way to scum hunt. Especially if you're going to try and lynch me first based off of it.

I grow ever more weary of you BBT.

1) Wall posts that are really hard to break apart. Hey, look at me, I'm doing stuff! I ask questions! I love wagons!
2) Spamming the thread.
3) Being too lazy to look stuff on your own. Demanding others do it for you.
4) Not remembering what you said.
5) Putting your own words into other people's mouths. Repeatedly.

I would lynch you in a heartbeat.

In short, I'm human. I confused two players who had similar initials. It happens. At least I knew it was an open game! You rode Woody until someone pointed out it was an open setup (to which your first response was 'it's not open'). I think you realized the town wasn't following you on Woody, so you made up a quick excuse to jump on other players in order to attempt more claims.

Oh no, you asked me a question about timing and I gave you information about the timing and provided analysis! I must be scum!

My scumread on you has nothing to do with redFF, but keep on puttting your own scummy spin on things.

[Doctor Who]

Anyone else want to lynch BBT? He's the main reson this game is already 38 pages.

There is a really good chance he's scum, plus he has the most posts in the thread.

[Doctor Who]

I'll note that you didn't deny being hypocritial, just that being a hypocrite is not scummy. What is it then, pro-town? Anti-town?

Let me break out the sock puppets.

1) Not backreading before posting has nothing to do with alignment. You rode Woody long and hard for it.

2) Coming in with a "oops, I didn't know that was an L-1" vote is scummy. You merely stated your displeasure with this.

Your reaction to #2 was no where near your reaction to #1. Had you been playing consistently, you would have been all over redFF like you were with Woody.

I think you are trying to push easy wagons instead of genuinely scum hunting.

I find it hypocritical (therefore scummy) for someone to say someone is is scummy for doing X when they too are doing X.

Being a hypocrite is not scummy.

My main issue with the whole thing now is how hard BBT rode Woody, but given another example of not knowing the situation (your woody vote) BBT didn't go nearly as hard on you. Does this part make sense to you? Town BBT has to lynch all of the scum, but scum-BBT just needs to lynch one townie a day.

OK, so why doesn't scum!BBT push Redff's 'obviously bad vote'. That would have been a pretty easy push for me to make, no?

Like, I thought your whole 'BBT is scum for ignoring Redff's awful vote on Woody' was based on Redff being scum. Now it seems you have no explanation other than it was scummy of me to ignore such an obviously bad vote even though you think the vote come from town.

Can you clarify? What are my scum motivations for ignoring the vote?

the boonskies wagon is terrible and has scummy looking players on it

This.

I'm gonna do a bunch of reading, look at this banakai wagon

Speaking of reviewing wagons, how did your review of the Absta wagon go?

I find it scummy how you are trying to create a counter wagon this close to the deadline.

What is scummy about trying to start a new wagon?

cause scum aint that obviously bad, it's been a while since ive looked at woody's posts tho id have to go check to give you examples

Well, that's just an awful reason to start town reading someone. Sometimes, scum are just bad.
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Something which unnerves me, was BlueBloodedToffee's vote and unvote on absta101. He is now emphasing that we have enough to go on for D1 and is happy to jump on one of the leading wagons (personally, I think he has concentrated more on absta101, TonyMontana and redFF):

Is anyone arguing against this? I don't know why you have posted that; it's quite obvious who I have spent the day focusing on.

Uncomfortable zone:
Bulbazoor
Boonskiies
BlueBloodedToffee

Uncomfortable zone:
Banakai
Tony Montana
absta101

Even though I believe a Boonskiies flip would tell us alot about other players, I do not want to lynch a player I town-lean (weak) read. But I would prefer a Boonskiies/Banakai lynch than a no lynch. I currently do not like the Banakai lynch because I fear possible opportunistic scum-play by BlueBloodedToffee and absta101.

Couple of things;

Can you clarify the 'uncomfortable zone'? I interpreted it as 'lean scum' and 'scum reading' sections but I'm obviously wrong if you're weak town reading Boon. This is far too ambiguous. Secondly, it would appear I can change the titles of your 'reads' to 'In no danger of getting lynched Today' and 'Possibility of getting lynched Today.'

I'm willing to go with VOTE: absta101. I'd rather see BBT hang, but I was the only one on his wagon.

If there was an example in a dictionary of an opportunistic vote; this would be it.

The ONLY mention of Absta in your ISO before this vote is the sentence where you're accusing him of scum slipping, which quite frankly, is absurd. I see nothing wrong with that sentence.

You have then

added

reasoning onto your read in order to try and justify it. I'm back to thinking this slot is scum.

IMO, TonyMontana has got to catch-up with the thread first ,

then

we smash his back doors in

Except for he could be lurking

because

he is drawing no attention?

[Doctor Who]

I neglected to respond to my absta vote. So what if there was not much of a mention in it in my ISO? I presented multiple reasons in my post for the vote. I justified my vote.

[Doctor Who]

feel like people aren't even reading my posts.

This game is really fucking me off at the minute.

Let's all feel sorry for BBT now.

Cry me a river.

You reap what you sow.

[Doctor Who]

Why are you quoting me for?

Also of course the Doctor who vote on me is opportunistic. Just LOOK AT IT. Look at his reasons for voting me.
Look at my response to his vote on me. I go over why it's bad.

Doctor Who - you slipped.

Absta - I did not slip. Ignore my howling at the moon.

We'll see after you flip.

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

Banakai

(4):

Haschel Cedricson, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies

Boonskiies

(4):

absta101, Banakai, Tony Montana, Kmd4390

absta101

(3):

redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who

Tony Montana

(2):

Zoronos, BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00)

[redFF]

yea i have bbt as a possible scumread i even pushed him earlier but whaddya gonna do we got less than 48 hours

[Doctor Who]

Doctor Who - town. If you want to check my role PM, my password is "gullible".

Keyser Söze - likely town. Although he suppored the terrible Woody wagon, I've found that since then he has made good points and cases in his ISO. He is leaving a trail. Has voted for 5 different players.
Vote Post
Haschel Cedricson 15
Boonskiies 21
Doctor Who 72
unvote 207
Boonskiies 314
RedCoyote 363
unvote 510
absta101 805

Bulbazoor - likely scum. weird former/latter thing with absta, on the woody wagon. His cases would carry more weight if he quoted posts instead of referencing them, often several at a time. Other posts tend to be one liners. Has only voted DW and Banakai (he did make a case on this), but I haven't seen much scum hunting. Not leaving much of a voting trail.
Doctor Who 138
unvote 301
Banakai 702


TonyMontana - likely scum. I already pointed out how it was unusual how quickly he could catch up as town. Only 14 posts, hardly any trail. He should be lynched Day 2 if this doesn't improve.
RedCoyote 13
Kmd4390 13
Boonskiies 533
BlueBloodedToffee 839
Boonskiies 839


Kmd4390 - tendency to be insightful, I'm surprised by his low post count. Having a life doesn't make one scum. Did respond to my request to go on record about everyone. likely town.
BlueBloodedToffee 144
absta101 175
Boonskiies 592


BlueBloodedToffee - scummy mcscummerton. Has voted 6/13 (nearly half) of the players. Most of his votes support existing bandwagons.
RedCoyote 5
Haschel Cedricson 17
Doctor Who 66
RedCoyote 337
absta101 564
unvote 580
TonyMontana 581
Banakai 788
TonyMontana 854


absta101 - I believe he slipped. likely scum. Another low voter, but on the Woody Wagon (I contend without cause)
Haschel Cedricson 16
Doctor Who 132
Boonskiies 422


Banakai - unusual pronouncement that redFF is town (seemed like scum spreading WIFOM). Prefers Boon's lynch today, obviously. Really laying low vote wise. likely scum
redFF 317
Boonskiies 472


RedCoyote - null. someone else who needs to post more, although he is giving town/scum reads on all players. Hasn't done anything to ping my scumdar, but he is basically riding one vote. He voted for me first in the post, later for Banakai.
Doctor Who 649
Banakai 649


Zoronos - wish he'd be around more, tends to be insightful. Leaning town. No one has voted him the entire game.
absta101 102
TonyMontana 850


Haschel Cedricson - also insightful but left no vote out there for a really, really long time. Likely town.
Bulbazoor 11
unvote 76
Banakai 502


redFF - scummy L-1 vote, but since then has struck me as town. Likely town. Voted 5 players
Haschel Cedricson 32
Doctor Who 168
unvote 174
Boonskiies 316
unvote 333
Doctor Who 334
absta101 531
BlueBloodedToffee 681
absta101 790


Boonskiies - looney tunes. Really hard for me to read. Vinkah left nothing to go on either. Null.
Doctor Who 9
unvote 247
Keyser Söze 331
RedCoyote 365
absta101 459
Boonskiies 476
absta101 485
Banakai 710

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so the theory of "scum want to out as many townies as possible" implicates those that vote often, including
Keyser
BBT
redFF
Boonskiies

Obviously there aren't four scum, but still.

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The Woody wagon got to L-1. Both Banakai and Absta have gotten to L-2. That't three good wagons to analyze once flips start.

[Doctor Who]

bbt as a possible scumread i even pushed him earlier but whaddya gonna do we got less than 48 hours

Assuming neither of us gets lynched, at least one of us will be around tomorrow to be heard.

[Doctor Who]

Current situation

Day 1: 7 votes required out of 13 players - Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-07 13:30:00); updated through post 854
Name_______________Count___Voters (Post)
Banakai_____________4______Haschel Cedricson (502), RedCoyote (649), Bulbazoor (702), Boonskiies (710)
Boonskiies__________4______absta101 (422), Banakai (472), Kmd4390 (592), TonyMontana (839)
absta101____________3______redff (790), Keyser Söze (805), Doctor Who (808)
TonyMontana_________2______Zoronos (850), BlueBloodedToffee (854)


Prior happenings

Alright, we still have 5 days but I think 32 pages for D1 is more than enough and nobody seems interested in Tony lurking out the whole of D1 so;

VOTE: Banakai

5 days is cutting it close and you know it. I highly doubt you'll find 7 people who want to lynch me above these other two in that time. I find it scummy how you are trying to create a counter wagon this close to the deadline.

Redff, why the change if vote?

cause i doubt ur getting lynched today tbh

You're right but why would you not want to push your top scum read and at least try?

Why jump ship to a more 'achievable' lynch?

VOTE: Tony

Absta is sticking to his vote, but BBT peeled off onto Tony when he was previously questioning if a Tony wagon was feasible. I'm not sure how less time makes a Tony wagon more feasible. BBT has also voted for Absta, so I'm not sure why he's dragging his feet on switching wagons.

[redFF]

5 days is cutting it close and you know it. I highly doubt you'll find 7 people who want to lynch me above these other two in that time. I find it scummy how you are trying to create a counter wagon this close to the deadline.

reminder this was 5 days before the deadline, good amount of time left

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Banakai

[absta101]

VOTE: Banakai
As promised. He is L-2 now I think.

[Keyser Söze]

We can revisit absta101 and TonyMontana's slots tomorrow.

Boonskiies will likely be kept alive by the werewolves (lynch-bait) - I town-lean read him anyway...

BlueBloodedToffee and Bulbazoor have entered my 'uncomfortable' group, but I do not wish to lynch them D1.

Here are the lynch candidates of my personal lynch pool:
Banakai: "I'm not seeing an absta as scum, but tony montana I'd be okay with but I still prefer boon"
Tony Montana: "my main suspects as of this moment is BBT and banakai".
absta101: "I'm fine with lynching either Boon or Banakai"


P-EDIT: I believe Banakai is now L-1 after absta101's vote.

[I originally was going to vote!]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You should state intent if you were planning on voting.

[Keyser Söze]

He is L-2 now I think.

[Keyser Söze]

Banakai, we need a roleclaim (with 34 hours left on the clock).

[Keyser Söze]

Banakai (6): Haschel Cedricson, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee, absta101

Boonskiies (3): Banakai, Tony Montana, Kmd4390
absta101 (3): redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who
Tony Montana (1): Zoronos

L-1, nobody hammer!

[Keyser Söze]

Just to confirm BlueBloodedToffee, you were/are against an absta101 D1 lynch?

[TonyMontana]

Right, sorry about that, i see how it would be an issue

So you are not going to revote? You're fine leaving it where it is?

I for some reason thought the mod changed it..

Well, seems pointless to vote BBT now, 1 day before deadline.
I'll leave my vote on boon for now and move it over on banakai if neccesary.

[Kmd4390]

Too tired to catch up, but I see Ban is at L-1. When I wake up, I'll be willing to hammer pending his claim and my quick catch up.