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Post Post #43900 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:22 am

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BROseidon wrote:Thing is, stuff like that could work at all levels if ADCs weren't basically required because of their sieging abilities (or at least perceived as required b/c nobody wants to run comps that can't siege effectively)


Corki is like a top ADC and his siege is garbage aside from trinity force - and lich bane siege is more or less the same thing as trinity force siege.

I mean, I think we both agree that adcs are viewed as "required" when they shouldn't quite be, and both agree that siege and sustained damage are things that adcs are good at and things you need to make sure your comp has if you have no adc. I'm just saying that the statement "adcs are required due to siege" is absurd, because Ziggs, Nidalee, TF, etc. are so much better than Urgot, Vayne, Corki, etc. when it comes to knocking down turrets in contested situations.

I also think being able to kill a 6-item tank without being kited is a harder to replace benefit from adcs than siege, but I do agree with you that it's not ONLY adcs who can do this. I think it's probably just that there is a group of champs who do siege and sustained lategame damage effectively (call them "pure adcs" maybe, and tag Trist as the absolute best example). So when your comp doesn't need one or the other that much and wants something else from bot lane, I think these ad carry players are only sticking to champs that play like the pure adcs they have to be good at because it's what they're used to do. Or something. I don't really know why people don't break the meta sometimes, just like I don't know why people still take wota first item on Vlad. I guess the game is just so gosh darn big that people use herding at the high level to efficiently figure out what to learn and they miss some good stuff. Who knows.

All I'm saying is that if you had like, a Jayce top and Ziggs mid, and then your bot lane didn't do adc for whatever reason, it's bonkers to think you'd be sitting around sad because you're not good at siege.
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Post Post #43901 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:29 am

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New WoTA is pretty good if your opponent already responded to you by building magic resist I think.
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Post Post #43902 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:08 am

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taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.
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Post Post #43903 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:08 am

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I think that's what iec was getting at with his Morde example and the "unless they let them cheat" bit
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Post Post #43904 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:14 am

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Just because Riot has a specific idea on where they want the champion doesnt mean it will actually be played there. The past has shown that all too many times
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Post Post #43905 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:18 am

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i wouldnt be surprised if we saw duotop more than replace adc
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Post Post #43906 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:22 am

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Banakai wrote:taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.


Taking any champ botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing with an under level champion.
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Post Post #43907 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:24 am

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adcs use fewer abilities/less reliant ^
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Post Post #43908 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:59 am

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Post Post #43909 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:07 am

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Post Post #43910 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:40 am

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hiplop wrote:adcs use fewer abilities/less reliant ^


Not true for a lot of ADCs!

Graves, MF, Corki, and Lucian all exist!
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Post Post #43911 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:07 am

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BROseidon wrote:
Banakai wrote:taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.


Taking any champ botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing with an under level champion.


No, ADCs primarily scale with items but thanks anyway
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Post Post #43912 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:36 am

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Is anyone interested in trading league referrals?

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Post Post #43913 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:37 am

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I doubt Titus will play more. Chèvre might, though.

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Post Post #43914 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:29 am

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Banakai wrote:
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Banakai wrote:taking a mage botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing a really underlevel midlaner.


Taking any champ botlane kind of sucks since they scale with ability levels and going in a duo lane is detrimental to that. It's like playing with an under level champion.


No, ADCs primarily scale with items but thanks anyway


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Post Post #43915 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:20 pm

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Post Post #43916 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:28 pm

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Post Post #43917 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:41 pm

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Post Post #43918 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:50 pm

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Post Post #43919 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:34 pm

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Post Post #43920 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:49 pm

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Post Post #43921 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:52 pm

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Hanasawa wrote:Define hellish


The australian 12vies are unleashed on the server.

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Post Post #43922 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:00 pm

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I've just uninstalled league.

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Post Post #43923 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:02 pm

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But we won't get to play together Oman just like Espe said I should...

Ouch though... I'll be there if we want to form a 5 person team later if you change your mind.
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Post Post #43924 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:03 pm

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Can you only play on weekends?

Honestly i play whenever and just accept that at least half my team has some sort of problem doing the basics of playing league.
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