Newbie 1633: The Daily Show-A Retrospective - GAME OVER

[Dwlee99]

@Yuri:

At this point we know that dwlee is tunneling on you as scum, and isn't providing much more information. What do you hope to gain from continuing to humor him and keeping in this cycle of no information?

It also appears that dwlee is showing large amounts of confbias towards Yuri, which points to one of two options IMO:
1) He's newbscum who knows Yuri is town and is trying to get an early kill in on somebody who drew a lot of suspicion
2) He's town that tunnels, regardless of alignment.

@dwlee:

We know there's 2 scum, so rather than get hung up on what may or may not have been an OMGUS vote, why don't you provide more in-depth reasoning on why you think Yuri is scum, and also who you think the other scum may be? Also, do you have other games, specifically where you're town, that you could point us towards to see if you tunnel like this regularly?

P-Edit:

Looks like Yuri beat me to the punch on some of my points.

I'm tunneling yuri because I have no other leads, I just have a gut feeling yuri is scum. I have no clue right now who the other scum is and that's why I'm focusing on Yuri. And no, I don't have any other game. This is my only game on here that wasn't marathon (which mostly is quickly saying what your role did and sometimes random votes).

[YurikoJasmine]

He's certainly dying today; might as well get some associate tells.

[YurikoJasmine]

@dwlee:

are you willing to die for this gut feeling

The point of town is to find scum no matter what and
I don't think you understand this game. I suggest you join more newbie games in the future

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee:

are you willing to die for this gut feeling

The point of town is to find scum no matter what and
I don't think you understand this game. I suggest you join more newbie games in the future

Yea, I fricken am. And this is a newbie game. I specifically went to the newbie queue section. -_-

[YurikoJasmine]

I do realize that. What I'm pointing out is that you clearly are not playing to your win con if you were town

[YurikoJasmine]

In fact, you aren't playing to your win con either if you were scum :/

Well at least if you flip scum no one can tell who you are scum with

[Dwlee99]

In fact, you aren't playing to your win con either if you were scum :/

Well at least if you flip scum no one can tell who you are scum with

I'm playing to the win con of killing scum, starting with you. -.-

[Lowercase]

I don't see any reason to drag this out; I want a claim from dwlee.

[YurikoJasmine]

Sorry, drag what out?

I assum you still maintain your intent to hammer?

[Mathilda]

I don't see any reason to drag this out; I want a claim from dwlee.

Sounds good to me. Can't believe how long these games last. It's still the first day. No wonder people drop out.

[Draynth]

I do realize that. What I'm pointing out is that you clearly are not playing to your win con if you were town

That's not necessarily true. If we decided to lynch you today and you flipped scum, we could get some associate tells.He's trying to hunt scum, I'm not saying I agree with him but if he is town he is playing to his win con IMO

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't understand this lynch train on me. I've gotten mostly "null" reads on most people here and laid out who I think are scum and my town reads. I don't know what more people want of me.

Can you lay out those reads for me with reasoning for each one?

My main gripe with Yuri early on was a combination of the 'RV' push and the post in which she asked ZS 'why do you think people are voting you?' The first because it was a silly reason and the second because it was a silly question. Had she continued doing things I thought were silly wastes of time I would have scum-read her more strongly, but she didn't. The only other thing I thought was worth mentioning was that her lee vote seemed like an attempt to redirect attention, but that was a meh reason even when I pointed it out.

OK, well now you're using 'silly' as a synonym for 'scummy' and I don't like that. You said 'Yuri's behaviour was pretty scummy' (your words) this implies that your feelings on Yuri were more than just 'she was doing silly things.' What am I missing here?

Once dwlee reaches L-1 I'll declare intent to hammer.

Lowercase why wait? Why not vote him now?

This ^^^

Watching with concern: Draynth

Can you expand on this read please Grat?

I see from the recent posts that DWL is at L-1 and Lowercase has preemptively stated intent. I think that the lynch is fairly good--my preferred alternative would be Mathilda and I'd be willing to compromise on Yuriko or Necargo.

First post I dislike from Dier. Having 4 lynch options is not cool man; has Shaddowez' posts effected your opinion of that slot?

PS. Guys I'll be V/LA from tomorrow until Sunday evening. I should be able to post once or twice over the next few days but if not I sincerely apologies, I'll get back to show my face ASAP.

Don't think I have forgotten about that reads-list Draynth. I'm still waiting.

It also appears that dwlee is showing large amounts of confbias towards Yuri

You're aware that only town suffer from conf-bias, right?

UNVOTE:

Something doesn't feel right here and I think there is more discussion to be had.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm tunneling yuri because I have no other leads, I just have a gut feeling yuri is scum. I have no clue right now who the other scum is and that's why I'm focusing on Yuri. And no, I don't have any other game. This is my only game on here that wasn't marathon (which mostly is quickly saying what your role did and sometimes random votes).

Lee, can you tell me what you usually look for when you're trying to find scum?

[Draynth]

@BBT Apologies, I'll try to get it done while I'm away. if I dont have enough time I'll definitely have it by monday. Sorry for the big delay

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How far along is it? Do you have anything you can share right now?

[Lowercase]

OK, well now you're using 'silly' as a synonym for 'scummy' and I don't like that. You said 'Yuri's behaviour was pretty scummy' (your words) this implies that your feelings on Yuri were more than just 'she was doing silly things.' What am I missing here?

No, I'm not using silly as a synonym for scummy, I'm implying that posting pointless questions and reasons that don't make any sense in lieu of other things is scummy. I thought she was doing that early on, but she has not continued the trend. Honestly, I think that was obvious to anyone reading the post.

Lowercase why wait? Why not vote him now?

I wanted to hammer because I don't want people pussyfooting around for no reason, as it seems is happening here. If you don't want to end the day now, you should actually have a direction you want to go in.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I do have a direction. I'm in the middle of discussing a few things and I don't want the day to end yet.

You seem concerned that I haven't clearly stated in which direction I may proceed. Any reason?

[Lowercase]

No, you don't have a direction. What you said basically translates to 'I don't have a direction, I just want to wait around because who knows?' We're going to end up at deadline without making any actual progress if you do this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We have over 3 1/2 days, there is no rush.

Why do you think I would want to 'wait around'?

That's very pro-town of you to say but don't worry, we're not no lynching.

[YurikoJasmine]

What about me asking him why not vote then? Imo it's kind of fishy if you don't want to put ppl to l-1 but only want to hammer them instead.

(But wanting to do that in your head and actually saying it out loud is somehow different I'm afraid.) <-- which means that lowercase's post is less fishy in a WIFOM-kind of way

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I was just repeating your question Yuri.

[YurikoJasmine]

Alright. You know when ppl just say "this" and nothing it's hard to understand what they actually mean.

[Lowercase]

We have over 3 1/2 days, there is no rush.

Yeah, I'll keep that in mind, I guess.

It's fine that you're having cold feet I suppose, but you haven't suggested an alternative wagon. Based on your last long post, it looks like you're questioning me and Draynth possibly in connection to Gratuitous. I'll look at Draynth, but I don't yet see any compelling reason to lynch him over a slot that is both likely scum and unlikely to contribute if not.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so now we're in agreement that I DO have a direction?

[YurikoJasmine]

And I don't think dwlee will answer you question since he refused to answer mine. It's quite a dragful day one to be honest.