Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[vezokpiraka]

My strongest read that isn't affected by other roles is nacho.

He was really doing stuff when he replaced in and now he is pretty much a non-entity.

vote nacho

[Cerberus v666]

And then conversely, say the person is town and you provide the only answer they had. Then, that leaves the doubt as to whether or not it's what that person actually thought and could easily lead to a mislynch on a vital townie. It's just bad practice and

I'll policy you

in future games if you're obstinant about it.

Somehow adding a threat to the insults didn't make me more likely to listen to you. Who would have thought?

Anywaus, I'm entirely too impatient with these games to do as you suggest. I assure you I understand why it is objectively better play to never answer a question that's meant for someone else, but I just don't care. Unless the people I'm playing with pay the same level of attention to the game as I do, and thus are likely to respond in a timely fashion, it's highly likely I'll answer questions people ask that have answers easily available in the thread or through basic logical assumptions about the game state in the interest of keeping a conversation moving along. It's stupid to let the game stagnate because you don't want to correct someone's incorrect assumption/fill in the blanks for them.

Anyways, that's my position, good luck getting me policied in the future. I'm sure speaking when not spoken to is a much better reason to attempt to keep someone from playing games here than actively doing fuck all to contribute to the game is.

[T S O]

VOTE: Nacho

This is a mercy.

[Nachomamma8]

My strongest read that isn't affected by other roles is nacho.

He was really doing stuff when he replaced in and now he is pretty much a non-entity.

vote nacho

I've been pretty low impact the entire game. When did I stop doing things?

[Nachomamma8]

VOTE: Nacho

This is a mercy.

A mercy killing? What makes you say that?

[Nachomamma8]

I think vezok is a strong choice for scum. TSO, Mastin, LC, Jaqen, Cerberus, are all town.

Only 1 of {Wicked, Constantine} is scum: my current suspicion is that Constantine is the second, but he's not a strong lynch until the third scum is lynched and the scum doesn't flip Godfather/Roleblocker.

I think PV is town based on his play so far and Kari's response to the wagon, but if there's an unexpected townflip then that's probably where my suspicion would go.

[Nachomamma8]

I understand the reasons why I should be lynched (nothing I've done is particularly townish and activity level hasn't been consistent and engaged enough to inspire trust), but I don't think I've played badly. I ended up on both scum wagons so far, haven't been misreading any town horribly horribly wrong and I was a key part to swinging focus from Mastin/Sonic Boom to Aristophanes/Kari.

It's bad form to argue that my defense of ika had scum motivation when I didn't put any measure of effort into defending when I very well could have.

And I do think that it would be very very strange for me to play this way as scum: when I bus, I try to get at least some measure of utility out it and when I defend partners, I try to make at least some effort to increase their survivability.

[T S O]

It's either you or vezok, and I liked the way vezok wanted you dead, because bussing would be suicidal for scum right now.

[T S O]

I wasn't sold until now because I was entertaining the possibility of LC-scum, but presumably something's going to happen soon to clarify that, so I just want to put you out of your misery now, as your lynch appears more and more to be a fait accompli.

[Nachomamma8]

It's either you or vezok, and I liked the way vezok wanted you dead, because bussing would be suicidal for scum right now.

I was pushing vezok before vezok was pushing me?

[Lying Cat]

Sorry, the nightmare continues and I don't have time to be in-depth rn.

I'm the commute inventor. I targeted mastin N1 and then claimed the invention in thread so she would know who I was. It was a little gamble, but my townread of her was correct and it paid off.

Basically we did what cerb tried to do, but we succeeded.

I know I'm town because I'm the doctor. I know mastin is town because otherwise, the doctor would be dead.

[T S O]

You voted vezok. You didn't actually give a reason for doing it, or expand on it, or push it, or do anything at all apart from the vote.

[Nachomamma8]

You voted vezok. You didn't actually give a reason for doing it, or expand on it, or push it, or do anything at all apart from the vote.

I don't understand your point.

[mastin2]

Popping in here (not for very long, mind you) to say I see LC's posting and can confirm.

[Nachomamma8]

I can also point out that when I put limited effort into a game, my effort either goes into posting and looking town or putting my vote on mislynches. My posting in this game hasn't achieved either of these purposes: since I've been in the game, I correctly resisted hiplop lynch, and ended up on both Aristophanes and ika lynches.

My interaction with Ika also didn't really make sense coming from me-scum: if we were scumpartners, I would have had cause to defend them and thus would have defended him. If for some reason I felt I had to bus (unlikely), I would be more willing to explain why I thought he was scum so I could grab some credit for the lynch.

I also would have shot one of the LC-Mastin: if their special special townread weren't enough of a hint that there was something role-related going on, I still would have shot in the group because mastin is the largest threat to me in the playlist and I wouldn't want to confirmed-town block hanging around for long.

[Wickedestjr]

Still comfortable with my vote.

I need to think about this claim...

[Cerberus v666]

Sorry, the nightmare continues and I don't have time to be in-depth rn.

I'm the commute inventor. I targeted mastin N1 and then claimed the invention in thread so she would know who I was. It was a little gamble, but my townread of her was correct and it paid off.

Basically we did what cerb tried to do, but we succeeded.

I know I'm town because I'm the doctor. I know mastin is town because otherwise, the doctor would be dead.

Could still be scum. Also, you didn't try what I tried. What I tried included misdirection, not just communication, and that is why it failed. ^^ Not saying I coulda crumbed it well enough to work(probably coulda just had my first post each day be directed at the person I gave it to in some way, or something, idk, ), but, your goals were different.

And, again, you could still be scum. You aren't just a doctor. I mean, it does make it less likely you're scum, but, the possibility exists. I think it's super unlikely that mastin is scum though with this revelation, so that's something.

[T S O]

A lot of people are townreading Jaqen - why?

[Jaqen Hghar]

they hacked a man's account and looked at his role card /sarcasm

[Lying Cat]

A lot of people are townreading Jaqen - why?

So I don't have to read his posts

He's been obviously, terribly, stubbornly egocentric and stupidly wrong all game. His reads have been miserable, he's drawing insane amounts of attention over pointless shit, and he's antagonizing every conftown player.

If he were scum, I'd expect him to try to appear to be playing to any win condition at all. And given his ego, if he were informed his reads would be better because then he'd want to bus.

I have been putting 90% of my effort into maintaining the rate of clears so far this game, so I'm not particularly certain on that. If you have counterarguments, I'd love to hear them.

[goodmorning]

Vote Count 5.2(?)

Lying Cat - 1 (Jaqen Hghar)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Lying Cat, vezokpiraka, T S O)
vezokpiraka - 3 (Wickedestjr, Cerberus v666, Nachomamma8)

Not Voting: mastin2, PeregrineV, St Constantine the Hermit

6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-08-17 22:29:00)

I'll ask Anti what he wants to do about Constantine. Let me know if this VC is founded on lies.

[Wickedestjr]

Thought about it. I like the gambit, but I don't think it proves that either of them are town.

Lying Cat, it's great for you to be "the doctor" because there absolutely "must be a doctor", but that's not 100% true and you're ignoring the presence of the roleblock inventor which is also capable of preventing nightkills. How are you helping the rate of clears when you haven't saved a single person yet? Seems like a bad excuse not to scum hunt 100%...

I kinda think we should mass claim. I think that LC is scum still, but town might not be strong enough without them... Anyone disagree?

[Jaqen Hghar]

I crumbed a long time ago

[Jaqen Hghar]

And yeah. A man is disagreeing. Town is stronger without scum.

[Wickedestjr]

Touché