Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Jaqen Hghar]

Bleh. Whatever. Don't care. If you're town, you're one of those newbs who isn't smart enough to work with their town reads and buys into conftown status when any of a number of things can make that logically false. You're the kind of player scum win off their play. That's not saying I'm not horribly wrong about this game, just an honest eval of your play.

If you're scum, then I'm not too impressed there either.

And the PL thing wasn't a threat. It was a reason for you to reflect on in future games.

[Cerberus v666]

Cool, insult me. Got it. Again, can you please explain the part of your earlier post which I quoted before?

[Jaqen Hghar]

Nope. If you can't go back and reread D1 to figure that out for yourself with the flips we have (keeping in mind the announced game mechanics here as well as those from Organic) me explaining it to you isn't going to help anything. An informed minority would have no trouble deducing what Sonic was wanting and what he was going to do if he got what he wanted D1. To not get it, you are claiming ignorance of both this game's mechanics as well as those of the other. You've stepped on every trap I've laid, I'm only still here because I don't replace out of games, and now you want help. Guess what. You aren't getting it.

[Jaqen Hghar]

At this point I'm just trying to end this game. I don't even care about keeping up the second person Schlick which is fun for me. Because this game lost that fun a while back. For POE and to not risk a PR death today, Constantine is the beat lynch choice- regardless of whether he flips scum or town. I'm betting scum but hey, I could be wrong, but his flip will still POE well more than the majority of what's left.

[Cerberus v666]

Nope. If you can't go back and reread D1 to figure that out for yourself with the flips we have (keeping in mind the announced game mechanics here as well as those from Organic) me explaining it to you isn't going to help anything. An informed minority would have no trouble deducing what Sonic was wanting and what he was going to do if he got what he wanted D1. To not get it, you are claiming ignorance of both this game's mechanics as well as those of the other. You've stepped on every trap I've laid, I'm only still here because I don't replace out of games, and now you want help. Guess what. You aren't getting it.

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[mastin2]

Popping in to say, I'm not sure whether I can actually read things now with an objective mind. It wasn't exactly a dream (because I was awake, natch), but I basically was daydreaming with delusions of grandeur that gave me an adrenaline rush. Where Nacho was scum, we lynched him today, the kill was stopped presumably by the roleblock, and then tomorrow, we lynched the last scum. (Interestingly, the image of PeregrineV was the one popping into my mind as the second, not Jaqen.) Like...all day, I've continued to think about it, and that image is still there.

Like...how do I describe it? I don't want Nacho to be scum--it's always good to win with him. Work with him, lynch scum, and whatnot. He's a friend, and for obvious reasons, I would like it if he wasn't scum. More than that, there's that deep, fundamental, urge to not misread him, that desire to get the read right and the terror of getting it wrong, of what if he's town and I'm fooling myself.

Yet at the same time...I'm feeling like I've caught Nacho as scum. That's really the best way to describe it.

There's only two pages, and I'm hoping that with a night's rest, I can clear that confirmation bias from my mind and make sure that if I'm scumreading Nacho, I'm doing it because he's actually scum, not because I got the wrong mindset. (I know, I know. I think the game's a little bit stalled right now, and honestly we're probably just waiting for me to do the catch-up which I have continued to slack off on doing, but...I reemphasize, the catchup would be absolutely worthless if I go into it already having formed my conclusion before-hand.)

[Cerberus v666]

Am I still voting vezok? I guess I am.

UNVOTE:

This kinda just stopped being fun for me. That whole...thing that just happened makes it hard to feel invested. Gonna ignore this game for a couple days and see if I regain interest in it if I remove myself from interactions that aren't making it enjoyable. Not v/la, but don't expect me to put in any input on any of the three posts that are gonna be made in that time.

[goodmorning]

Vote Count 5.3(?)

Constantine - 1 (Jaqen Hghar)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (Lying Cat, vezokpiraka, T S O)
vezokpiraka - 2 (Wickedestjr, Nachomamma8)

Not Voting: mastin2, PeregrineV, St Constantine the Hermit, Cerberus v666

6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-08-17 22:29:00)

[Wickedestjr]

I understand that setup spec is not your forte,

but I need you to stop and think about this statement for a little while.

Okay I've been biting my tongue because I don't want to argue about Organic, but your claim that I suck at setup spec is annoying and ridiculous. I seem to remember arguing that you/Bulb/PereV were not confirmed town in that game- never said you were all scum (I even townread you), but you disagreed with me. PereV ended up being scum so I was not wrong in that game. Keep referring to that game and I will happily start ignoring your posts. Even if I was absurd in that game, I think it's immature to keep referring to a year old game to undermine my credibility. So sorry I'm too stupid to fathom the complex argument that you are making.

I was also right when I predicted that scum would chase the cop inventor rather than the recipients.

Now: I know roleblock isn't nearly as strong a protective role as commute, but it's still a protective role if used properly. Also, I don't know what the whole setup is yet- maybe the town DOES need a commute inventor for balance- I need a mass claim to make that determination and I'm not voting for you right now.

Secondly, are you reading my fucking posts? A significant amount of the posts my slot has made this game have been concerned optimal use of the weak cop, and the defending of that plan against bizarre anti-logic. The plan that resulted in us having 3 conftown.

You mean the plan that we discussed on part of day 2 and not really ever again? That was 90% of your effort? THAT sounds ridiculous to me.

[PeregrineV]

Good Monday morning! Will do some reading today.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm really not interested in massclaim based on how slow this game moves and also because all inventors have been accounted for and it seems pretty clear everyone else is just VTs.

This seems like a bad excuse. Town's not getting any faster the more we wait...

P-edit: goodmorning!

[Wickedestjr]

Cerb please stop arguing with Jaqen.

Constantine isn't getting lynched today.

[Wickedestjr]

vezok- claim and popcorn

Nacho basically already claimed VT

[vezokpiraka]

Vt.

Popcorn to jaqen?? I don't even know who hasn't claimed yet.

[vezokpiraka]

I think pere, mastin and constantine are the last unclaimed.

[PeregrineV]

I can claim.

VT.

I can look up my flavorname if needed.

[PeregrineV]

I'[m confused on the commute thing.

Did Shakira receive the commute night1, or Mastin?

Why does the commute claim from Lygin Cat come with no other information that might allow us to cross-check things?

[Nachomamma8]

I am VT.

[Cerberus v666]

I'[m confused on the commute thing.

Did Shakira receive the commute night1, or Mastin?

Why does the commute claim from Lygin Cat come with no other information that might allow us to cross-check things?

Hi Titus. Voting me is stupid. Also, sthar8 isn't really in this game. This is a Jingle game. I'll let you know if that changes.

So, there's no doc inventor in this game. I know this because we were the target of the protective invention last night, and it is in fact a commute.

Shak is now conftown unless SB is scum. I'm not super excited about either of their posting today, but I don't think we should be beating dead horses.

I'm dead tired tonight, but it seems to me like we can fairly easily jointly determine an optimal weak cop target from this point forward. No one else should target the player in question. Whoever the weak cop inventor is gives it to null reads, and they target as appointed. That way we're not losing conftown, and scum are incentivized into suboptimal nightkills. The commuter inventor is basically a doctor, and should target based on that. Does anyone see any flaws with this logic right now? I'm about to pass out, so fine toothed comb if you'd please.

I'd be more interested in copping SB tonight than lynching them tbh. Titus is great at VCA, both of them will scare town, and they're a pretty universal null/scum read.

Changed my mind. I will, however, go back to not interacting with Jaqen, really shouldn't have started again.

Mastin received the commute N1, LC claimed he had received the commute in an attempt to communicate to mastin that he was the inventor, mastin didn't counter claim him, and agrees with him now, one of the two of them is the commute inventor, and the other one received the commute N1. I'd need to search the thread more to be certain there was no crumbing of a reversal of the claimed roles in thread, and, well, that wouldn't be helpful to town at all.

Shakira did not receive the commute N1, Shakira received the role block N1 and N2.

Also, sorry LC. You were in fact doing exactly what I was attempting to do, just my intended partner didn't cooperate as well.

[PeregrineV]

I'[m confused on the commute thing.

Did Shakira receive the commute night1, or Mastin?

Why does the commute claim from Lygin Cat come with no other information that might allow us to cross-check things?

Hi Titus. Voting me is stupid. Also, sthar8 isn't really in this game. This is a Jingle game. I'll let you know if that changes.

So, there's no doc inventor in this game. I know this because we were the target of the protective invention last night, and it is in fact a commute.

Shak is now conftown unless SB is scum. I'm not super excited about either of their posting today, but I don't think we should be beating dead horses.

I'm dead tired tonight, but it seems to me like we can fairly easily jointly determine an optimal weak cop target from this point forward. No one else should target the player in question. Whoever the weak cop inventor is gives it to null reads, and they target as appointed. That way we're not losing conftown, and scum are incentivized into suboptimal nightkills. The commuter inventor is basically a doctor, and should target based on that. Does anyone see any flaws with this logic right now? I'm about to pass out, so fine toothed comb if you'd please.

I'd be more interested in copping SB tonight than lynching them tbh. Titus is great at VCA, both of them will scare town, and they're a pretty universal null/scum read.

Changed my mind. I will, however, go back to not interacting with Jaqen, really shouldn't have started again.

Mastin received the commute N1, LC claimed he had received the commute in an attempt to communicate to mastin that he was the inventor, mastin didn't counter claim him, and agrees with him now, one of the two of them is the commute inventor, and the other one received the commute N1. I'd need to search the thread more to be certain there was no crumbing of a reversal of the claimed roles in thread, and, well, that wouldn't be helpful to town at all.

Shakira did not receive the commute N1, Shakira received the role block N1 and N2.

Also, sorry LC. You were in fact doing exactly what I was attempting to do, just my intended partner didn't cooperate as well.

So, did the other players confirm? I thought I saw someone say they got it last night- or got something.

[Jaqen Hghar]

A man is iron, VT

Mastin

[T S O]

saving time, I am a VT

[Cerberus v666]

LC: Why did you out yourself today? I don't see the town motivation in that. There weren't votes coming at either yourself *or* mastin, what was the use? I really feel like said outing was just a way to give town a reason to not vote you(especially combined with giving me the commute last night, which is obviously useless in terms of protecting town). I mean, I have no desire to lynch you yet, but I find the entire sequence of plays highly suspect.

No reason why scum you wouldn't foster a connection to mastins slot, simply because she's probably the player you'd figure would be most likely to assume commute inventor=town(as she clearly did from her strongly held position that you are town, and that the commute inventor had to be town).

The only thing you have going for you in terms of thinking you might actually be town for me, is the fact that you *haven't* saved anyone yet. If you could claim responsibility for one kill(perhaps a "save" could have been arranged for last night) your position would be a lot stronger, and your claim today would actually make sense. Anyways, if you're still alive in LYLO, I think you have to die. Which worries me.

Meh. None of what I said was important there, besides the first question: Why did you out yourself today?

[T S O]

I think the entire point of the game was to remove him as a viable option for today.

[Lying Cat]

Okay I've been biting my tongue because I don't want to argue about Organic, but your claim that I suck at setup spec is annoying and ridiculous. I seem to remember arguing that you/Bulb/PereV were not confirmed town in that game- never said you were all scum (I even townread you), but you disagreed with me. PereV ended up being scum so I was not wrong in that game. Keep referring to that game and I will happily start ignoring your posts. Even if I was absurd in that game, I think it's immature to keep referring to a year old game to undermine my credibility.

I'm not getting into it with you, but the above is revisionist and inaccurate.

I was also right when I predicted that scum would chase the cop inventor rather than the recipients.

Which is the mistake that probably lost them the game! Hooray!

Now: I know roleblock isn't nearly as strong a protective role as commute, but it's still a protective role if used properly.

No, it's an investigative role in the lategame. A protective that needs to guess who is making the kill rather than who is getting killed is nigh useless.