Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[RedCoyote]

Yeah sure, I could see that. For all we know scum could already be on it though... let's not state assumptions as if they're fact.

I'm not. Again, based on the assumption that we're all town, the scenario for Zoro as scum makes more sense than for Zoro as town. That's all.

Boon is town though so he is good company and Bulba is legit unreadable so whatever; what was your point in saying that?

He's likely town, but let's not go crazy. Even if he is town, he could be wrong. My point is that I would take the conclusions, analysis and reasoned approaches of the collective group of myself, Kmd and KS over BBT, Bulba and Boon. That's all.

If you have problems with my town read on the person you are trying to lynch why have you not addressed it?

I have engaged you on this before. I don't know why you're choosing to use the word "problems" as though this is some shock. We disagree on this player, that has been known for quite a while. If we have a disagreement over a read of another player, that, by very definition, is a "problem". That doesn't mean we're not both town or that we have to suspect one another, but that's a "problem" that will need to be resolved either through rhetoric or flips or reports or etc.

I mean, did you even look at the case that you agreed with (and liked enough) to think someone was scum because of it. That's what I mean.

Uh, yes, of course.

I read TM's 1146 and liked it. I thought he presented a very good point about redFF's hypocrisy in his push of you. I said it was good enough to make me rethink my previous redFF town read. redFF has since responded to the case in such a way that I no longer think these things. Period.

I don't get where you are going with this line of questions. Do you think I make it a point to just randomly quote people and say, "oh, this post is good" without actually meaning it? I think you're letting your negatives about TM cloud your judgment of me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have engaged you on this before. I don't know why you're choosing to use the word "problems" as though this is some shock. We disagree on this player, that has been known for quite a while. If we have a disagreement over a read of another player, that, by very definition, is a "problem". That doesn't mean we're not both town or that we have to suspect one another, but that's a "problem" that will need to be resolved either through rhetoric or flips or reports or etc.

I'll tell you why, I feel like you're keeping me at arms length (I'm not sure if this is the right phrase but I'm struggling to word it).

This is how it feels to me; you have had problems with a number of my reads/posts - but these problems never equate to 'this is scummy' it equates to something that you think is effecting my ability to play the game (meaning you think I'm town). The latest example being in this post.

Instead of 'BBT I don't get your line of questioning, it makes no sense coming from a town perspective' (or something along those lines) instead it's 'BBT I think you're letting your negatives of TM cloud your judgement of me (which implies I am town and incorrectly reading you).

Why is this a problem? Because it feels like you're setting me up to be lynched later in the game. Down the line, you turn around and say 'Hmm, looking back I didn't like BBTs (insert post numbers here), I initially thought it was town because x, y and z but now I think he could be scum and I was misreading it.

You have done this all game and it's really pinging me now.

I read TM's 1146 and liked it. I thought he presented a very good point about redFF's hypocrisy in his push of you. I said it was good enough to make me rethink my previous redFF town read. redFF has since responded to the case in such a way that I no longer think these things. Period.

Cool, so hypocrisy is a scum tell?

[Keyser Söze]

Will post my thoughts Monday realistically.

I will review my scum-read of Zoronos.

In the mean-time, can either someone (or myself) look through who opposed the Banakai wagon on D1, or firmly town-read his slot.

[Boonskiies]

My vote will not go onto Red until I see Absta flip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Talk about that some more Boon.

[RedCoyote]

You are acting so paranoid, dude. I'm not setting you up for anything.

If you want me to say, "Oh, BBT, you're town and I'll never go back on this!", I'm not going to do it. I can't make a guarantee like that. I think you're town right now, just like I think Kmd is town right now. Or KS, or Boon, or TM. These could all change at some point in the future, but those are my reads right now.

You are, like, so paranoid. And, in a way, it makes you more town because you are concerned about not letting scum try and twist things later on. Like you are playing with the endgame in mind, which I always think is a positive thing... but it's too much. This is still only D2. Nothing has really happened yet except a scummy player was lynched and a very town player was killed. The shot was predictable and would've been made by any reasonable scum player. Maybe only a scumteam of Boon and Bulba don't make that shot, lol. Anyone else would make that shot. Anyway, this is just a long way of saying that you need to ease up. WIFOM: I would give you more of a hard time as scum, I think.

And, yes, hypocrisy is very much a scumtell. It speaks to dishonesty. Scum are inherently dishonest.

[Bulbazoor]

Prodded.

[absta101]

Prodded.

awesome lmao

[Bulbazoor]

I have not been able to get ahold of a computer.

[redFF]

vote:zoronos

im with this

[Doctor Who]

Prod dodge

[Boonskiies]

I mean, I'm a strong scum player, so my shots are usually pretty damn good.

[Boonskiies]

But I'm basically conf town here.

[Boonskiies]

SO I CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT YO. WHAT!?!? AWW YEH BOI.

[RedCoyote]

SO I CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT YO. WHAT!?!? AWW YEH BOI.

Replace out.

[Zoronos]

If I believed hypocrisy was a scumtell (I don't), then I'd direct RC to look at KMD's D1 attempts to sort Banakai (there were very few; he called him town then ignored him), and compare / contrast it with his case on me today, which is built entirely around behavior towards Banakai.
Alas.

[Zoronos]

*his case on me -> KMD's case on me. Inspecific pronouns.

[absta101]

If I believed hypocrisy was a scumtell (I don't), then I'd direct RC to look at KMD's D1 attempts to sort Banakai (there were very few; he called him town then ignored him), and compare / contrast it with his case on me today, which is built entirely around behavior towards Banakai.
Alas.

Who else would you vote other than Kmd?

[Zoronos]

A very reasonable question!
I'm not sure, tbh. Probably Tony.
I understand where BBT is coming from re: RedCoyote. Something has felt off about him all game, and my gut doesn't like it, but that might just be because he's been after me all games. *shrug* I got no cool case for this one. Just something to keep in mind.

[Kmd4390]

I'll try to catch up tonight. Was too tired last night

[Boonskiies]

going to the coast today. will be in in spurts.

Also, I don't replace out of games.

[TonyMontana]

Dodging prod until work tomorrow

[RedCoyote]

going to the coast today. will be in in spurts.

Also, I don't replace out of games.

Replace out.

[RedCoyote]

Zoro's last ditch attempts at stroking BBT's paranoia is amusing. Zoro is playing like caught scum.

You know, this game takes me back several years to one of my first games called Welcome to Lynchville. To this day I think it was the best game as town I've ever had. I won't go into all the nitty gritty, but essentially we lynched scum on D1 and immediately I went after parallels between that player and others and concluded that there was one very obvious culprit. After some back and forth with him (and an amusing analogy about apple juice vs milk), we inevitably lynched him and were able to lynch scum back-to-back.

[Zoronos]

You didn't even bother reading KMD's D1 like I asked you to and thinking about it, did you?