Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

Zoronos

(4):

RedCoyote, Kmd4390, Keyser Söze, redFF

Tony Montana

(2):

absta101, Bulbazoor

absta101

(1):

Boonskiies

redFF

(1):

BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Not Voting

(1):

Tony Montana

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-08-22 14:00:00)

[RedCoyote]

I thought about it. There's nothing I deem worthy of commenting on. Sure, like you, he didn't pursue Banakai. Unlike you, he didn't scramble to try and get a weak last minute wagon in out of nowhere as an alternative that effectively amounted to TM lurking. Unlike you, he never conveyed a townread of Banakai that was scrapped when Banakai started getting a little pressure and then ignored when he started getting a lot of pressure. Unlike you, I do not get the sense of fakeness that I do from you and have talked about at length.

[Zoronos]

Hmmmm.... I never scrapped a townread of Banakai. I had a null read, repeated multiple times, which became a town read.
Are you sure you understand my positions from D1, or are you making it up as you go along?

[RedCoyote]

That was sloppily written. You attempted to placate HC's Banakai wagon early on in the day when it was weak. Once the wagon started growing, you changed your tune and started calling him a townread and tried to divert attention to TM once it became the main wagon.

[Zoronos]

Ummm... no I didn't. Go check again. I called him a null read early. Not sure how that's placating but I guess distort early distort often.
I didn't call him a town read until it had a lot of folks on it.

[RedCoyote]

842 you are saying you understand why HC's voting Banakai, do you not? You say you disagree with him, but you're effectively implying here that you're fine with him going ahead with the wagon and you won't stand in the way. Later, you give him a full-fledged townread and then try to call attention to TM.

[Zoronos]

That's not at all what I'm implying in that post. You're somehow reading it entirely backwards (other than that I disagreed with him, because I did)
I disagreed with him. I'm not sure what world you live in, but when someone says "X is scum" and I respond "I disagree" that means I think the person is not in fact scum. In an open setup, that means they're town. If you have somehow lost the ability to make simple inferences, welp, I don't know.
And no, I am not implying I'm fine with him going ahead with the wagon. I have no idea what in that post gave you that idea. I thought it was TvT violence and was trying to make that clear to HC.

[RedCoyote]

There's our disconnect then. To me, clearly you're going from having him as a null read and even going so far as to say, "Yes, HC, I understand why you are scumreading him. I don't agree with that, but I see where you are coming from" (which, deny if you wish, sounds to any reasonable observer that you're implying you're fine with him going forward), to then flatout saying you see him as town, to then proceeding to completely ignoring him in favor of TM.

[RedCoyote]

Like, you don't use the exact words, but just the fact that you

don't

explicitly say, "I have a solid townread on Banakai and I think he's a bad lynch" speaks volumes to me. Instead you were being more subtle in your attempts to dissuade the Banakai wagon. This is what I am looking for in a Banakai partner. Further, I don't like the fact that you've been trying to play it off like, "Oh, you're just coming at me for being wrong about Banakai" today when we both know that's an overly simplistic way of looking at things.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prodge.

Will get to this later today hopefully.

Activity levels still shocking. Scum lurking hoping Zoro wagon goes through.

[absta101]

VOTE: Zoro
That's L-1 I think.

[TonyMontana]

tonymontana u have less posts than the mod and im lurking?

Yes? There is a difference between being absent and lurking. Not saying my delinquency early in the game was good, but it wasn't lurking.
Meanwhile you have been very "active".

[Keyser Söze]

Scum lurking

hoping Zoro wagon goes through.

Who are the scum lurking?

[TonyMontana]

Got an opinion on Zoro, but since he's at L-1 I assume there's a claim forthcoming that I want to see first.

[absta101]

@Tony

- Okay, something is wrong here. You posted a scum list of BBT, Zoro, and Redff in that order. You were voting BBT, your strongest scum read but then Redff did something to make you vote him instead. My question is, when you unvoted Redff, why did you not go back and vote BBT?

and also try to read up on zoro.

Got an opinion on Zoro, but since he's at L-1 I assume there's a claim forthcoming that I want to see first.

Why were you scum reading Zoro (when you made your list in post 1143)?
What did you find in your read up on Zoro? There is no reason to hold back your thoughts just because he is claiming.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who are the scum lurking?

Redff.

The back end of this Zoro wagon is disgusting.

I don't get why Redff is getting no attention at all despite numerous people being suspicious of the slot.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Add Boon, Doctor and Bulba to that lurking list as well.

[Zoronos]

There's our disconnect then. To me, clearly you're going from having him as a null read and even going so far as to say, "Yes, HC, I understand why you are scumreading him. I don't agree with that, but I see where you are coming from" (which, deny if you wish, sounds to any reasonable observer that you're implying you're fine with him going forward), to then flatout saying you see him as town, to then proceeding to completely ignoring him in favor of TM.

You're either scum, the tunneliest tunneler, or just awful at reading.
Yes, I understood why he was scumreading Banakai. That is in fact exactly the point of what I said.
HC's position made sense for HC. That doesn't make him right, it just means I understood why he thought what he did. I thought he was tunneling and was trying to walk him back. I said as much like one post later.
The fact that I understand his position doesn't mean I think its a good one. (Also the no true scottsman there is hilarious. 'Any reasonable observer' my foot. You're implying completely different things than are in that post)

Got an opinion on Zoro, but since he's at L-1 I assume there's a claim forthcoming that I want to see first.

This is a cop out. Scum-2, imo.

VOTE: Zoro
That's L-1 I think.

A well reasoned vote there.

Anyway, vanilla villager. Hammer at your leisure scum.

[absta101]

@Zoro

vote:zoronos

im with this

You forgot to mention how this vote was also well reasoned.

[absta101]

So redff, Banakai and Zoro for the scum team.

[Zoronos]

@Zoro

vote:zoronos

im with this

You forgot to mention how this vote was also well reasoned.

I outlined already how I thought RedFF was town. I have no such clear for you.

[redFF]

bbt ur case on me is trash lol

[Keyser Söze]

Anyway, vanilla villager. Hammer at your leisure scum.

Are you happy to keep your vote on Kmd4390?

[Keyser Söze]

Got an opinion on Zoro

, but since he's at L-1 I assume there's a claim forthcoming that I want to see first.

Can we hear this opinion please.

[absta101]

@Zoro

zoronos what are your thoughts on absta?

you said you had him as scum, then that you would reread him, and have not really mentioned him since. what the deal with that?

Anyway. I think my read on him yesterday was wrong. The sequence starting at 784 through the next 10 posts or so seems towny. Unless he was completely resigned to his partner's lynch, he is trying to get people to not expand the lynch pool, but rather to keep it focused on Boon and Banakai. I think he's wrong about BBT, but wrong happens, so *shrug*.
Not inclined to vote him.

Here it looks like you are saying i'm a town read.