Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[RedCoyote]

I agree with Angel claiming. Just like I agreed with it yesterday.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus

vote:absta

Yeah, just interpret the same action/situation in two completely different ways for no reason other than to suit the narrative you're trying to push.

I'm going to scrap the idea of trying to read based on who townread Banakai because I think that path just leads us to BBT.

I'm sorry, what? I was town reading Banakai?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Forgot this;

VOTE: Redff

[redFF]

bbt from one town player to another u should stop tunneling me m8, embarrassing yourself tbh

i could vote bulb today but im weary of getting on an RC-made wagon after yesterdays flip

absta or tony are good lynches today

[absta101]

Alright, RC looks scummy and Redff even more so. BBT is prob town due to Zoro's flip. I will post more in detail later on but for now:
VOTE: Redff

Tony is still a possibility, will have to look back at day 2 to get everything in order.

[absta101]

Also, kmd probably died because he actually knows how to think and he was dropping PR crumbs since D1.

[absta101]

@Redff

i could lynch zoronos that is cool with me id just rather lynch absta

I had a look through your ISO and I didn't find you ever stating a scum read on zoro. Where did this come from? You just suddenly agreed with the wagon after RC promised you he'd push for my lynch after you join his Zoro wagon.
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@Boon

- What in the fucking shit was that vote yesterday, Zoro was a town read for you so why did you hammer him so quickly? You didn't even wait for Tony to respond, you just lynched him as soon as you could. Explain this.

What you did yesterday has literally no town motivation.

[TonyMontana]

i feel like the kmd kill and flip is supposed to make us look at the first few votes on the zoronos wagon

Scum is not looking to play games with flips. They are hunting for the seer.

In the meantime, how about the Angel claiming?

I agree with Angel claiming. Just like I agreed with it yesterday.

And you were demonstrably wrong to agree with it yesterday, to the point where the whole proposition looked scummy.

Well, it is certainly not as shady as a proposition as it was yesterday, but I'm still considering we might have the equity to wait.
It would be a huge advantage if both the seer and doc made it to D4 with 7 people left, even more so if we lynch scum today.

Then again, ensuring the seer gets to D4 would also be significant. I'd like to hear more opinions on this.

Of course, this will be moot, if only the seer got lucky tonight.

BBT is prob town due to Zoro's flip.

Explain? I'm not seeing the connection here.

@Boon - What in the fucking shit was that vote yesterday, Zoro was a town read for you so why did you hammer him so quickly? You didn't even wait for Tony to respond, you just lynched him as soon as you could. Explain this.

Really? Are we still gonna bother questioning boon? Either lynch him, or ignore him, and lets not give him another hammer.

[absta101]

Firstly, i'm removing my town read on RC because of the Zoro and Kmd flip. He was originally a weak town read because he was the 2nd person on the Banakai wagon and I thought it unlikely that he would bus that early. However, I noticed that he didn't really add anything to the Banakai wagon, he just sheeped what other players said about him. Now I don't think it's out of the question that he would bus early to gain town credit. Taking this into consideration, his interactions with Banakai are neutral in my eyes.

Vote Count

Zoronos

(3): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze

(Confirmed town in blue).

Now my main problem. A reason for why I got on the Zoro wagon was because of RC's hint about it being unlikely that scum would not jump on town-zoro. It made sense to me because I had all three players on the wagon as town reads (Kmd also explained it in more detail than RC did). However, zoro has since flipped town and so chances are, one of RC/Keyser are scum. Keyser is still a town read to me which leaves RC as the scum.

The way I see it, scum is in Tony, Redff and RC. The former two are stronger reads atm.

[Bulbazoor]

I'm going to scrap the idea of trying to read based on who townread Banakai because I think that path just leads us to BBT. Kmd was kind of an odd kill because Zoro was gunning for him yesterday pretty hard.

Anyway, okay, so, there were only two people that were pushing townreads on Zoro without articulating them. Boon and Bulba. Bulba has continually shirked any sort of duties and has been really starting to get under my skin. His Zoro read was particularly lame. He thought Zoro was town, but did very little to stop that lynch. BBT, to his credit, worked very hard to put the brakes on it. I do not think scum would've been as strong as he was in his fight to stop the wagon. Boonskiies is so hard to read, but despite him ignoring this game, he has the benefit of shenanigans from earlier on when he claimed. I don't like the way he's playing, but I also don't think it's particularly pro-scum. Bulba is the only player that wasn't voting Zoro, called him town, but never really tried to get an alternative lynch going. BBT fought tooth and nail to get redFF as a candidate. I wish I could just say, "well, I was wrong about Zoro, so I guess I'll just follow BBT's lead", but I do not think, in my heart of hearts, that redFF is the best lynch today. He could very well be scum, but Bulba is the player I feel most comfortable lynching today. He hasn't been using his vote effectively at all (sans voting Banakai D1). He voted TM late D2 and never moved it. The vote was a crappy vote, too. Let me quote it:

VOTE: Tony
I have a iso check on him day two. I want to see where the wagon goes so I can get a wagon analysis. Plus, I think everyone else is town except for this and like a few others.

1) He never ISO checked TM at all. That was madeup to pad his vote and make it look like he was deliberating more than he actually did.
2) "I want to see where this wagon does so I can get a wagon analysis" Huh? Well, it went nowhere, so what did you learn, Bulba? He doesn't talk about this at all. This is more padding. He's not serious about this at all.
3) Why is it so hard for him to list his town/scum reads? Who are "a few others"? Why is he so secretive? To his credit, he called Zoro town, but then he disappeared. Why didn't get try to sell anyone on TM? Why did he more or less just accept the Zoro lynch?

VOTE: Bulbazoor

This is a straight out lie. I have listed my read. Fucking read please.

[Bulbazoor]

And the wagon analysis did not come because of the wagon never forming. I wanted al lynch on tony. I stated it. The fucking iso check I had done on tony. Read it.

[absta101]

@Tony

Explain? I'm not seeing the connection here.

I think the way BBT was 'defending' zoro was town and genuine. I had the same reason for town reading zoro but I ultimately got convinced that he was scum whereas BBT stuck to the read.

Can you respond to my questions yesterday in post #1289 please.

[absta101]

Also I agree with Keyser about Bulb here. Bulb is likely town.

Bulbazoor made an extensive post and vote on Banakai page 29 (post 702).

I believe this was the VC, prior to his vote on Banakai:
Boonskiies (4): absta101, Tony Montana, Kmd4390, Banakai
absta101 (2): Zoronos, Boonskiies

Banakai (2): Haschel Cedricson, Red Coyote

Tony Montana (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (2): Doctor Who, redff

Bulbazoor took his vote off the leading wagon (Boonskiies) onto a werewolf (Banakai).
25 town points for Bulbazoor.

[Bulbazoor]

That does not clear me.

[TonyMontana]

Can you respond to my questions yesterday in post #1289 please.

I already stated that I wasn't backing off redFF. I didn't go back to BBT, because I was just looking over my options. I read up on Zoro, and came out of it reading him more as town, mostly due to his interaction he had with kmd, where I felt he answered kmd's questioning in a reasonable manner.

I didn't see myself actually derailing the wagon at L-1, and thought seeing a claim first would help my read on him, and I didn't want to give him a friend before claiming. With 5 days left I obviously thought I'd get my chance to talk it over anyway.

As for why I was scum-reading zoro in the first place, i guess it was mostly his late vote on me on D1, which I thought was with poor reasoning and poor timing.

Right now I'm feeling like putting my vote back on redFF, but I think L-2 is even too much with boon around.

That does not clear me.

Of course it doesnt, but take your town points graciously and spend them on something nice, like a read on someone.

[Bulbazoor]

I have posted reads throughout. If you like you can re equest me to review another player.

[TonyMontana]

Was mostly just kidding, but I could use some help on reading BBT if you have the time.
It's my plan to have another look at him next, because I'm wavering on my read on him, especially given his push on redFF.

[absta101]

@Tony

I didn't see myself actually derailing the wagon at L-1, and thought seeing a claim first would help my read on him, and I didn't want to give him a friend before claiming.

This makes no sense, why would you want a town read to claim? Also how would a 'friend' effect the situation in any way?

[redFF]

unvote

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

redFF

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee, absta101

Bulbazoor

(1):

RedCoyote

Not Voting

(6):

Doctor Who, Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, TonyMontana, redFF, Boonskiies

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-09-02 11:30:00)

[Bulbazoor]

Y the way things went, I would lynch red or tony. Add bbt.

[Bulbazoor]

BBT is not main priority right now. Tony is.

[Bulbazoor]

"

No, man. No. He's fake scumhunting. He's fake emoting. He's fake reading Banakai. He's fake everything. I'm tempted to go tear him down in ISO this very second, but this post is already too long. "

Is this your case for him scum. Where do you get him scumhunting fakely from? Are you zoro? No, so do not say it is fake with nothing to back your little theory up. Is this all of your case? Go through his iso. Nothing you say seems to come from his posts. The frustration feels genuine.

So I was not pushing for everyone to sheep my townread?

[Keyser Söze]

I'm catching up guys. Firstly, here is the VC history (with alignments highlighted):

Doctor Who (5): Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee, Keyser Söze, absta101, Bulbazoor
absta101 (2):

Zoronos

,

Kmd4390

Bulbazoor (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1): Tony Montana
Not Voting (4):

Banakai

, RedCoyote,

Haschel Cedricson

, redFF

Doctor Who (3): BlueBloodedToffee, absta101, Bulbazoor
absta101 (2):

Zoronos

,

Kmd4390

Bulbazoor (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1): Tony Montana
Not Voting (6):

Banakai

, RedCoyote,

Haschel Cedricson

, redFF, Boonskiies, Keyser Söze

RedCoyote (3): BlueBloodedToffee, Keyser Söze, Boonskiies
absta101 (2):

Zoronos

,

Kmd4390

Doctor Who (2): absta101, redff
Bulbazoor (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1): Tony Montana
redff (1):

Banakai

Not Voting (3): RedCoyote,

Haschel Cedricson

, Bulbazoor

absta101 (4):

Zoronos

,

Kmd4390

, Boonskiies, redff
Boonskiies (3): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana
RedCoyote (1): BlueBloodedToffee
Bulbazoor (1): Doctor Who

Banakai

(1):

Haschel Cedricson

Not Voting (3): RedCoyote, Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

Boonskiies (4): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

absta101 (3):

Zoronos

, Boonskiies, redff
Bulbazoor (1): Doctor Who

Banakai

(1):

Haschel Cedricson

Tony Montana (1): BlueBloodedToffee
Not Voting (3): RedCoyote, Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

Boonskiies (4): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

absta101 (3):

Zoronos

, Boonskiies, redff

Banakai

(2):

Haschel Cedricson

, Red Coyote
Tony Montana (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who
Not Voting (2): Bulbazoor, Keyser Söze

Boonskiies (4): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

Banakai

(4):

Haschel Cedricson

, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies
BlueBloodedToffee (2): Doctor Who, redff
absta101 (1):

Zoronos

Tony Montana (1): BlueBloodedToffee
Not Voting (1): Keyser Söze

Banakai

(5):

Haschel Cedricson

, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee
Boonskiies (4): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

absta101 (4):

Zoronos

, redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who

Banakai

(4):

Haschel Cedricson

, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies
Boonskiies (4): absta101,

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

absta101 (3): redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who
Tony Montana (2):

Zoronos

, BlueBloodedToffee

Banakai

(7):

Haschel Cedricson

, Red Coyote, Bulbazoor, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee, absta101,

Banakai

Boonskiies (3):

Banakai

, Tony Montana,

Kmd4390

absta101 (3): redff, Keyser Söze, Doctor Who
Tony Montana (1):

Zoronos

absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF

Zoronos

(1): RedCoyote
BlueBloodedToffee (1): absta101

absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF

Zoronos

(2): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

BlueBloodedToffee (2): absta101, Doctor Who
Doctor Who (1): BlueBloodedToffee

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Not Voting (3): Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, TonyMontana

absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF

Zoronos

(2): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

BlueBloodedToffee (2): Doctor Who, Tony Montana

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Tony Montana (1): absta101
Not Voting (3): Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, BlueBloodedToffee

Zoronos

(3): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze,
absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF
BlueBloodedToffee (2): Doctor Who, Tony Montana

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Tony Montana (1): absta101
redFF (1): BlueBloodedToffee
Not Voting (1): Bulbazoor

Zoronos

(3): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze,
absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF
Tony Montana (2): absta101, Bulbazoor
redFF (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Tony Montana
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Zoronos

(3): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze
absta101 (2): Boonskiies, redFF
Tony Montana (2): absta101, Bulbazoor
redFF (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Not Voting (1): Tony Montana

Zoronos

(4): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze, redFF
Tony Montana (2): absta101, Bulbazoor
absta101 (1): Boonskiies
redFF (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Not Voting (1): Tony Montana[/size]

Zoronos

(6): RedCoyote,

Kmd4390

, Keyser Söze, redFF, absta101, Boonskiies
Tony Montana (1): Bulbazoor
redFF (1): BlueBloodedToffee
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Doctor Who

Kmd4390

(1):

Zoronos

Not Voting (1): Tony Montana

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i could vote bulb today but im weary of getting on an RC-made wagon after yesterdays flip

absta or tony are good lynches today

What does RC being wrong have to do with it? You obviously felt the case against Zoro was good enough to jump on that wagon.

Why are Tony and Absta good lynches?

The way I see it, scum is in Tony, Redff and RC. The former two are stronger reads atm.

This isn't a bad scum pool at all.

I already stated that I wasn't backing off redFF.

Cool, I look forward to seeing your vote being placed on him. Who cares if Boon hammers your scum read?

unvote

Why?

Y the way things went, I would lynch red or tony. Add bbt.

Oh, really? Can you explain those reads?