Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

redFF

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee, absta101

Bulbazoor

(1):

RedCoyote

Not Voting

(6):

Doctor Who, Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, TonyMontana, redFF, Boonskiies

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-09-02 11:30:00)

[TonyMontana]

Cool, I look forward to seeing your vote being placed on him. Who cares if Boon hammers your scum read?

I and any other town should care for multiple reasons which I don't believe I should have to explain.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, I don't get it.

To clarify; you're worried about your scum read getting hammered...right?

[Bulbazoor]

You suck at reading.

[redFF]

i plan on re-reading this entier game to get clearer thoughts on it, we should make the most use of this day phase, even if we are still going to lynch me.

would love a case that doesn't rely on twisting banakai's actions to make me look scummy

[Keyser Söze]

is absta and tony too obvious a scumteam here?

i feel like the kmd kill and flip is supposed to make us look at the first few votes on the zoronos wagon, but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus

vote:absta

Looking at the VC history for D1 and D2, I can

see

this. I am very close to voting for absta101 - catching up. Looking at his late shift on the Zoronos wagon:

absta101 states he not convinced that Zoronos is scummy:

Alright, I think this game has been solved. Scum is in Tony/Redff/Zoro.

Like kmd says, you either believe Zoro genuinely misread/ignored(?) banakai or you think he was avoiding his scum buddy.

I'm not convinced on the Zoro-scum atm

, his answers to my biggest concerns were good.

absta101 states Zoronos is scummy but doesn't vote on him (Zoronos currently has 3 votes):

My question is, why were you voting me even though you had RedFF and Boon as scum and me as UNSURE.

Oh. My vote very frequently lags my suspicion. *shrug* You were my old suspicion, they were the new ones. I hadn't gotten around to moving it.

That's scummy

. I mean, I even mentioned it to you and you still didn't move it.

absta101 is now happy to join the Zoronos wagon:

@RC

- Yeah I agree, Zoro looks even more scummy considering the wagon. I will join it soon unless redff or Tony get more votes.

Going to need to look closer at absta101's slot.

[redFF]

yeah i mean absta apparently scumread me yet hopped on the zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER i did

[Keyser Söze]

BlueBloodedToffee, absta101 and redFF (only after BlueBloodedToffee's associative analysis via Banakai on redFF) are 3 players on my uncomfortable list - I've been town-reading redFF since D1 however.

I feel like I'll have to make a decision to side with BlueBloodedToffee-absta101 or redFF today. I'd previously noted/hinted a possible scum-connection between BlueBloodedToffee-absta101 on D1 but didn't want to push it without a flip.

I've already noticed a hard-defence by BlueBloodedToffee for absta101, which in turn is a hard-attack on redFF:

but i think absta's hop on it reeks of opportunistic scum, same with his hop on the banakai wagon day 1, except that was a bus

vote:absta

Yeah, just interpret the same action/situation in two completely different ways for no reason other than to suit the narrative you're trying to push.

I would also like for absta101 to explain this:

Alright, RC looks scummy and Redff even more so.

BBT is prob town due to Zoro's flip.

I will post more in detail later on but for now:
VOTE: Redff

absta101 declares a strong town-read of BlueBloodedToffee, followed by a vote on redFF.

[Keyser Söze]

Also, kmd probably died because he actually knows how to think and

he was dropping PR crumbs since D1.

Show me.

@Redff

i could lynch zoronos that is cool with me id just rather lynch absta

I had a look through your ISO and I didn't find you ever stating a scum read on zoro. Where did this come from? You just suddenly agreed with the wagon after RC promised you he'd push for my lynch after you join his Zoro wagon.

Interesting - I will need to look at redFF's read on Zoronos on D2.

@Boon

- What in the fucking shit was that vote yesterday, Zoro was a town read for you so why did you hammer him so quickly? You didn't even wait for Tony to respond, you just lynched him as soon as you could. Explain this.

What you did yesterday has literally no town motivation.

Agreed - it was anti-town to not post intent. I see this as a townie abusing our town-read of them. @Boonskiies - do not take advantage of our patience. Do you want us to policy lynch you?

I think the way BBT was 'defending' zoro was town and genuine

. I had the same reason for town reading zoro but I ultimately got convinced that he was scum whereas BBT stuck to the read.

Again - show me. Town-reading town could also be scum town-reading town to gain town-cred.

unvote

Why did you unvote absta101?

[redFF]

cause its a long day and im rereading

[TonyMontana]

No, I don't get it.

To clarify; you're worried about your scum read getting hammered...right?

Yes, I would prefer to get some discussion out of the day, and also giving candidates a chance to claim, whether scum or not. #justtownthings

To clarify; you don't care about these things, and would be happy to quicklynch now and move on to night?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Keyser, pre-flip associatives are pretty bad.

Tony, yes. I would like nothing more than for the next two posts to be naked votes on Redff and then for Boon to come in and hammer. That would be just fantastic.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Absta

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Updated reads please Boon?

[absta101]

@Tony

and I didn't want to give him a friend before claiming

Can you explain this? I don't see how giving Zoro a friend would help him before his claim.

[absta101]

yeah i mean absta apparently scumread me yet hopped on the zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER i did

If you have ever read my ISO, you would see that I don't care for pre-flip associations. I also

stated that I would join the Zoro wagon

(before your vote) unless the Redff/Tony wagons got more votes. I felt it likely that those wagons would not grow larger than the Zoro wagon just before I voted.

I mean if I use your logic. "Yeah I mean Redff apparently scumread me yet hopped on the Zoro wagon RIGHT AFTER I stated I would join it."

[TonyMontana]

I'm not saying it's a strong game theory, but the idea is that a claim should come from max pressure. It's not about helping his claim as much as it is helping people read his claim.

Like i said, it was just a feeling, and "giving him a friend" is a silly way to phrase it, i just felt like I wanted to see the claim with the noose as tight as it could be.

[absta101]

@Tony

- Well this is an open set up... My point is, there is no reason for you to want to apply pressure on his claim. If he was scum, the best move for him would be to ALWAYS claim PR (unless it has already been claimed by town). The pressure applied on him doesn't change any of that. Also, you had him as a town read, so there's no good reason for you to want him to claim.

Your actions don't seem town motivated here.

[TonyMontana]

I never said I wanted him to claim.
You're probably right in questioning that I withheld my read. In hindsight, it made no difference other than make me look stupid and/or suspect. The claim and hammer would have happened regardless.

I wanted to argue against his lynch, and I thought I would be better off making a case for that after the claim.

[Doctor Who]

In the meantime, how about the Angel claiming?

@everyone

- could you please state your stance on this? Thanks

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Doctor, you should post something note worthy.

[absta101]

@Boon

VOTE: Absta

Why did you hammer your town read (zoro)?

You are no longer a town read.
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@Doctor

- I feel like you are only asking this to avoid scumhunting. You haven't posted content in a long time.

As for the PR claiming, I don't think they should claim now. If they claim now and it turns out they were already a town read to most then that hurts town because it confirms that they will die the following night. Also, any information we would get from them being confirmed town on the day that they claim we could just as easy have gotten the same information the following day if they died at night (due to them being a town read to most). If they claim and they are suspected by most of the town, they would've claimed anyway when they got to L-1. Either way I don't see any good reason to claim now rather than later.

[redFF]

@absta could you point out the pr crumbs kmd was dropping?

[redFF]

also boon is known for quickhammering l-1 every game he is in, regardless of alignment
his hammering of zoronos is null

[absta101]

@Redff

@absta could you point out the pr crumbs kmd was dropping?

Does it matter? He flipped Villager and his crumbs were quite obvious.

Give me a good reason why this matters and I will show you. Otherwise it just looks like you are trying to get town credit by showing that you "never realised the PR crumbs".

Can you answer my question in post #1331 please.