Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Wickedestjr]

This doesn't make any sense.

mastin, on day 1 you were basically calling Lying Cat super obvious town because he said that he received the commute. This would make perfect sense if he was the commute inventor and you realized that he was gambitting. But it makes zero sense if you're the commute inventor. Please explain.

[Wickedestjr]

*on day 2

[T S O]

That's impressively wrong, Jaqen.

[Wickedestjr]

I'll admit, I was surprised that Cerb died and not Lying Cat.

mastin, can you, with post numbers, walk me through your thought process yesterday? I want to know how Lying Cat knew that you were the commute inventor. I also want to know how you realized that he was going to claim commute inventor.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm also surprised that scum have successfully managed to kill off several obvious threats (e.g. Bins, Sonic Boom, Cerb) without ever getting blocked. That requires some serious skill.

Who got the commute last night? Because it really should have been Cerb.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm also surprised that scum have successfully managed to kill off several obvious threats (e.g. Bins, Sonic Boom, Cerb) without ever getting blocked. That requires some serious skill.

Who got the commute last night? Because it really should have been Cerb.

LC got the commute last night. That was the gambit.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay.

So it's one of {Lying Cat, mastin2} + one of {Jaqen Hghar, Lying Cat, mastin2, PeregrineV, T S O, vezokpiraka}

[T S O]

Is it?

[T S O]

As far as I'm concerned it's 2 of {mastin, LC, vezok, Jaqen, PV} with PV being unlikely.

[T S O]

I keep thinking this game is really easy when it's not actually as open and closed as it should have been.

[T S O]

Mastin - you should not have given LC the commute. It was a misplay.

[T S O]

Because scum weren't going to shoot LC anyway. They needed to kill someone like Wicked.

[Wickedestjr]

I don't think it's possible for mastin and LC to both be town. Do you?

I just couldn't imagine a scum team of vezok/PV killing Cerb when LC claimed a stronger protective role AND when Cerb can be protected while a commute inventor cannot be.

[T S O]

It really wasn't the time for a gamble.

[T S O]

I have to sit down and think about it, but what I'm more concerned about is writing a scumteam with both off. It's still possible. One flipping scum doesn't really exonerate the other.

I need to think about what I'm doing.

[T S O]

You're not my supervisor.

I am, and I say: stop taking the bus; cars rule.

I'm not going to lie, Wicked - this post makes me paranoid as fuck. Specifically the reference to not bussing and the wink face, followed by hard townreads the entire game.

I'm probably wrong. But I'm keeping an open mind.

[Wickedestjr]

They could certainly both be scum. That would explain their beautifully choreographed charade from yesterday (which involved no out-of-thread planning if they're town).

Killing LC last night was only a risk if scum knew he wasn't the commute inventor. Only way they could have known that is if mastin is scum. On the other hand, if Lying Cat was scum then that also explains his survival.

[Wickedestjr]

They could certainly both be scum. That would explain their beautifully choreographed charade from yesterday (which involved no out-of-thread planning if they're town).

Killing LC last night was only a risk if scum knew he wasn't the commute inventor. Only way they could have known that is if mastin is scum. On the other hand, if Lying Cat was scum then that also explains his survival.

[Wickedestjr]

You're not my supervisor.

I am, and I say: stop taking the bus; cars rule.

I'm not going to lie, Wicked - this post makes me paranoid as fuck. Specifically the reference to not bussing and the wink face, followed by hard townreads the entire game.

I'm probably wrong. But I'm keeping an open mind.

Scum probably have day talk. I think his mode of transportation is just a coincidence.

[Lying Cat]

Mastin, you need to calm the fuck down and think for a bit.

You picked the wrong target. OUR plan was not for you to protect us, since there was a tiny likelihood of us getting shot last night, and even if we did losing a VT over an inventor was fucking great. It was basically a free protect for you. Which you had a second chance at, and have now blown for no fucking reason at all.

The plan is still working, other than the fact that mastin went full moron today which lost us our chance at a safety lynch.

She's still town for being the commuter, I'm still town because we've known who the commuter is since d2 and I've been protecting her the whole time. Constantine got investigated, Wicked got investigated.

TSO being the last investigator combined with his play is a strong argument for him being town.

That leaves overwhelming odds of two scum in {PV, vezok, jaquen}.

And we have three lynches.

[Lying Cat]

Mastin, I pissed off flum for you. I commented in thread about how fucking hard that was for me, but he was too clever to miss your crumbs and too paranoid to leave them alone. Get your head out of your ass and don't waste the effort I've put in here.

VOTE: Jaquen

I think I'd rather do this than vezok.

[Wickedestjr]

If scum is in {PV, vezok, Jaqen}, then why didn't they target you last night?

They had the choice between Cerb (strong candidate for protection as well as the weaker of the two protective inventors) and LC (can't be protected and the stronger protective inventor). If scum knew that you weren't the commute inventor, then why wouldn't they have killed mastin?

Also how did you know mastin was commute inventor?

[Lying Cat]

Because they needed cerb dead, and they gambled on us targeting other conftown after all the 'wouldn't it be great to stop a kill' that I did yesterday. Once the roleblock is dead, a known commute inventor is useless. There was a strong chance that the roleblock stopped a kill anyway, in which case they were royally screwed. So they took the highest EV shot regardless of the risks, since the risks were already so high. Plus, remember that this is the scumteam who just let us have all the conftown from the cop while hunting him in the possible mislynches

It is also possible that either mastin or myself got rolecopped, especially given how loud we've both been about role interactions.

Or, they might have just seen through the lie since mastin has been softclaiming in like every other post for the duration of the game.

[Lying Cat]

Wicked, you said yourself that commute inventor balances town. So from your POV, mastin must be town. Why have I been protecting mastin all game if I'm scum? Who else in my clear pool do you think could be scum?

I'll dig up mastin crumbs in a minute

[Lying Cat]

oh shit mastin already posted all her crumbs.

Suffice to say I caught a couple of them, then we got the invention on a night where basically only mastin was townreading us. Not a difficult conclusion.

Then, of course, she was incredibly obvious about defending the commute inventor and their targeting decisions, so I had to be noisy to keep the people who were critical of that from just outing her. Part of the consequence there was that it looked plausible for me to be the inventor, so when we were ready to claim I explicitly said that mastin should out MY role, asking her if it was OK to claim hers. She said yes, so I did.