Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

redFF

(2):

BlueBloodedToffee, absta101

absta101

(2):

Boonskiies, redFF

Bulbazoor

(1):

RedCoyote

Not Voting

(4):

Doctor Who, Keyser Söze, Bulbazoor, TonyMontana

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-09-02 11:30:00)

[TonyMontana]

V/LA notice: out today, limited access sunday, back monday

[RedCoyote]

Look, we cannot decide between absta and redFF today. Let's table these players for tomorrow and focus instead on Bulba. Why should we focus on Bulba, you may ask. It's primarily because of the way he acted toward the Zoro wagon. He was supposedly so passionate about Zoro being town, and yet he never tried to seriously stop it. He let his vote linger uselessly on TM while Zoro was reaching a fever pitch, completely uninterested in looking at alternatives. This doesn't add up.

absta, I know you are strongly skeptical of me being town, I've got to reach out to you and get you to go with me on this one. I'm not doing this on behalf of redFF or you. I don't want either of you lynched today.

I was confident on Zoro and that turned out to be wrong, but I'm even more confident about Bulba.

At the very least, can everyone acknowledge that Bulba has felt zero pressure in this game and has very effectively been hiding in plain sight the entire game? Moreso than any other role slot that's currently alive. Including TM and DW. DW and TM both got a little pressure on D1, but Bulba has yet to have any serious wagon on him at all.

BBT, I acknowledge that we didn't see eye-to-eye on Zoro and I kind of ran roughshod over you yesterday. I think Bulba is a more effective candidate today, and I think it's a candidate the town can rally around. Deep down, no one really like Bulba for town, but we all keep passing him up in favor of redFF, Zoro, TM, and absta.

[absta101]

@RC

- The more you talk, the more you look like scum trying to manipulate us...
What do you think about the recent exchange between me and Redff?
What do you think about the association between Bulb and Banakai? Bulb was third on the wagon and, unlike you, he at least tried to make his own case on him.

[Boonskiies]

Bulb town told to me earlier in this game.

[RedCoyote]

absta, again, I want to table you and redFF during this phase. We don't need to get to this today. We're too torn on you two. It probably won't get done either way.

Bulba was likely the person that bussed Banakai. If there was just one. I'm starting to think that DW may have been right about the idea that Banakai hammered himself out of frustration with his team rather than strategy (this also speaks to Bulba as scum and you cannot deny this). I'll go back and look for some evidence of this. You're starting to open to the idea, right?

[redFF]

RC i would lynch you over bulb tbh

[RedCoyote]

Eh, well, let's not have that. I can't move my vote, especially if no one will consider what I think to be a very valid point about the fact that Bulba hasn't received any pressure this game and hasn't had any real say about anything (he makes sweeping statements, to be sure, but is never challenged or followed up on). I'll hang in the background now like my friend Bulba and let others take the spotlight today. Hopefully that will start earning me some free town credit and I'll be in a better position to spend it tomorrow.

[Keyser Söze]

I will look at my town-lean read of Bulbazoor this evening - 'no one is a closed case'. I have admittedly not looked at his slot for a while.

VOTE: absta101 - it is not a very strong scum-read, but currently my strongest scum-read from my 'uncomfortable' list.


Also, @redFF, when you have time, show me the progression/development of your scum-read of Zoronos on D2 (with quotes and comments).

Extra note: I do not believe absta101 and redFF are scum-scum. Either one scum or both town.

[absta101]

VOTE: absta101 - it is not a very strong scum-read, but currently my strongest scum-read from my 'uncomfortable' list.
Extra note: I do not believe absta101 and redFF are scum-scum. Either one scum or both town.

What is your reason for voting me? You still haven't answered my question.

[redFF]

Eh, well, let's not have that. I can't move my vote, especially if no one will consider what I think to be a very valid point about the fact that Bulba hasn't received any pressure this game and hasn't had any real say about anything (he makes sweeping statements, to be sure, but is never challenged or followed up on). I'll hang in the background now like my friend Bulba and let others take the spotlight today. Hopefully that will start earning me some free town credit and I'll be in a better position to spend it tomorrow.

u pushed an easy lynch yesterday with zoronos and are pushing an easy lynch today with bulb

[redFF]

Eh, well, let's not have that. I can't move my vote, especially if no one will consider what I think to be a very valid point about the fact that Bulba hasn't received any pressure this game and hasn't had any real say about anything (he makes sweeping statements, to be sure, but is never challenged or followed up on). I'll hang in the background now like my friend Bulba and let others take the spotlight today. Hopefully that will start earning me some free town credit and I'll be in a better position to spend it tomorrow.

u pushed an easy lynch yesterday with zoronos and are pushing an easy lynch today with bulb

[redFF]

Also, @redFF, when you have time, show me the progression/development of your scum-read of Zoronos on D2 (with quotes and comments).

i liked the wagon, thought there were 3 town looking players on it (u kmd RC) and i said i was fine with lynching the slot since he was p much null to me until he was pressured, i liked the case and saw my main target absta wasn't going to be lynched, so i got on that wagon

sorry if that is an unsatisfactory answer

[Keyser Söze]

Tell me the scum motivation for me bringing up this about Kmd as

a lie

.

Let me answer that with a question: What would be a

townie's

motivation to 'lie'?

he was dropping PR crumbs since D1.

his crumbs were quite obvious

I still need to see you explain the 'obvious crumbs'.

A townie believes in everything they say, and are able to explain their thoughts - while I believe scum would naturally create reads/statements on the spot.

That is my concern.

[Keyser Söze]

Also, @redFF, when you have time, show me the progression/development of your scum-read of Zoronos on D2 (with quotes and comments).

i liked the wagon, thought there were 3 town looking players on it (u kmd RC) and i said i was fine with lynching the slot since he was p much null to me until he was pressured, i liked the case and saw my main target absta wasn't going to be lynched, so i got on that wagon

sorry if that is an unsatisfactory answer

I think you are an opportunistic townie

[Shinobi]

Bulbazoor has been prodded.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prodge.

Will get to this later today.

[Bulbazoor]

Prodded. I think tony is our best bet.

[Bulbazoor]

I do not like redcpyote so far.

[redFF]

v/la a few days

[redFF]

I do not like redcpyote so far.

anything beyond OMGUS?

what is your take on the whole me/absta situation

[absta101]

@Keyser

Let me answer that with a question: What would be a townie's motivation to 'lie'?

No, that's completely besides my point and you are the one who is attacking me. I asked you a simple question. Just because there is no town motivation for what I did doesn't mean it came from scum, it just means it's null unless you can show us a believable scum motivation.

Can you actually stop and think about how absurd your attack is on me. I'm starting to feel this is why you had to answer my question with a question. You can't answer it because there is NO SCUM MOTIVATION for what I did.

I still need to see you explain the 'obvious crumbs'.

"Obvious crumbs" is a subjective opinion of mine.
Kmd didn't have to bring up the hypothetical situation so why did he (post #985)? The best reason I could think of was that he was crumbing PR and the other two quotes just fit in with this theory.

Also, I feel like you are putting a lot of attention on what a crumb should be. Why don't you just tell me what you think it should be so we get our definitions straight instead of arguing whether he crumbed or not.

while I believe scum would naturally create reads/statements on the spot.

Okay, so let me get this straight. Your argument is that scum-absta just 'naturally' stated why he killed Kmd with no real benefit to himself other than to just say it?

I don't even care about what Redff thinks anymore because he is pretty much confirmed scum in my eyes but you were a town read. Help me to understand your thought process.

[Shinobi]

Doctor Who has been prodded.

[Doctor Who]

I can confirm the prior post.

[Doctor Who]

I'll have time to catch up tomorrow, but in the meantime consider this:

There are 9 living players. If the Angel claims today, then the Angel is NK'd leaving the Seer around another day. Day 4 there will be 7 living players. By that point, if the Seer hasn't found scum and all of the Seer's investigations are town then the Seer claims and confirms three townies plus the Seer. With 4 confirmed town out of 7 players, it is basically game over.

It isn't just about the Seer finding scum, it is about confirming townies. Given that the Seer hasn't come forth with found scum, the Seer likely has two confirmed townies (in which case it is more likely than not that both are living).

By the Angel claiming, it also guarantees that the Seer won't investigate someone who dies tonight - the seer won't investigate the angel.