Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Antihero]

the only way the extra town deaths happen is if they're sufficiently snowed by scum so i was ok w/ that

[Antihero]

Anti.

You're a dick.

duly noted

[mastin2]

I find it amusing how so many people post game and in the dead thread are claiming they knew Mastin was scum. If that were true, you guys would have FREAKING LYNCHED HER. Lol

Well that's part of my job. I blatantly violated SO many of my towntells during this game, breaking them and smashing them to smithereens. I have GODLY-good situational awareness. I saw the strings controlling the system and plucked them as needed. I knew that Flubber was the cop-inventor, I was able to set up situations where town players took the fall for me (hiplop and in a way, LC), I managed to post enough effort and insight to make people think I was town, yet leave things such that I could always revisit them as needed. (For instance, me clearing TSO. I took the clear back in mylo you'll note, only to reinstate it because I figured I might as well acknowledge that he was the best town player in the game at that point. )

Was disappointed with one thing, though. The Aristophanes wagon was very bad for the scum. It had it's merits, of course: We didn't need Aristophanes because we had already basically locked the town's PRs down (well, not Cerb, but Cerb claimed the day after Aristophanes died almost immediately so we didn't have to), Aristophanes's role gave credence to the idea both remaining inventors were town (something I desperately needed, since I was running a little low on towncred at that point), and the fact that the wagon was entirely town meant that anyone thinking so much as a single scum was on the wagon would be pursuing a town lynch.

But, well...we lost our insurance against surprise PRs (which thankfully there weren't any of), and far more importantly...ALL THE SCUM WERE OFF THE ARISTOPHANES WAGON. If anyone was

persistent

in insisting that to be the case, we would have been

screwed

. Soyeah, had to promptly dodge that lil' bullet.

[vezokpiraka]

Mastina, is that why you killed me? I was the lone person scumreading you?

Neah. We killed you because your VCA is very strong and you were confirmed town. We really needed to kill confirmed town if we could have ever had this chance in LyLo.

[mastin2]

I only realized mastin was scum after she promised me she would listen to my vezok scum read and then completely swept it under the rug after I was dead, so good play there especially!

I actually legitimately forgot I had made that promise.

Mastin did good eliminating the people who suspected her.

People suspecting me didn't really enter my mind with regards to the nightkills.

This was actually a VERY large break in my scumgame.

Traditionally, I kill players who I deem a threat off of their status. Nacho, LC, TSO, and the like.

This game, EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, my nightkill was for strategic, role-based reasons. Bins was a claimed PR, wide open to attack. (Or if something stopped the attack, then I'd have immediate towncred with LC.) We in the scum PT knew that of all people Sonic Boom receiving the weak cop meant that the pool for the weak cop inventor was EXTREMELY limited. They talked me into believing it was ZX, but we copped Flub, my original (and correct) pick. Then we killed him. With Cerb claimed, I had an excuse to be on him, and to let conftown die. With Flum replaced, though, I didn't want to kill Constantine (who, frankly, I saw as an asset to the scumteam), so settled on Sonic Boom purely because of them being conftown. (Not because I thought of them a threat; I saw them as an asset, just not as much as one as Constantine. Had flum stayed, it'd have been him dead, Sonic Boom alive. Wicked was a possibility, but because the clear on him had ambiguity, I didn't consider him at the time.) Cerb was admittedly a bit of a risk, but I killed him to get rid of the roleblocks that could have extended the game (giving the town an auto-victory), gambiting on LC's gambit providing me with the cover I needed to not be confscum from it. And Wicked I killed because Wicked himself ironically gave me the out I needed to not protect him. Had he not done the coinflip idea, I would have had to come up with the BS that I used in-thread anyway ("Constantine was completely conftown, Wicked only mostly conftown, and LC said he'd kill Wicked which is a good reason for me to not protect Wicked and protect someone else"), only with much less legitimacy. (Constantine was never a kill option, because, again. He was an asset to use.)

[sthar8]

I find it amusing how so many people post game and in the dead thread are claiming they knew Mastin was scum. If that were true, you guys would have FREAKING LYNCHED HER. Lol

This is a hallmark of top level scumplay. It means that you're advancing your win condition enough that people outside the game can see it, and manipulating the people in the game enough that they can't.

Jingle and I were in the awkward position that we needed to maintain our own appearance as town in order to win the game, yet we were the ones who made the most sense as scum with mastin due to his day1 misread of her and my policy wrt protective claims. I was of the opinion that a push on her would have resulted in our own lynch without the bulletproof argument of "scum cannot let mastin go to 3p"

[goodmorning]

Or possibly it was the massive amounts of Scum theatre-ing.

[vezokpiraka]

Is ika the one that doesn't want the scum Pt released?

That's ok. I don't want to see his lurking face ever again.

[mastin2]

Mastina, is that why you killed me? I was the lone person scumreading you?

Again, scumreads never factored into my kill. (Nor would they ever. What kind of idiot do you think I am, killing people who suspect me? I might kill AP, mollie, or zMuffinman if they suspect me, sure, yeah, but other than that? If I kill someone, it's because I think they're competent, not because I think they're dangerously close to being right. Which is one reason I dreaded the fact that, at one point in the game, the most viable mislynches were

Nacho

,

TSO

, and

Lying Cat

. At that moment in the game, I fully, entirely, thought we were screwed. )

[mastin2]

Also, I'm sorry if this is rubbing salt in your wounds, sthar8, but I kinda feel compelled to quote this.

Also, worth noting in the ISO for mastin in that game, her flowchart needs a caveat. She can't beat me. We've won together. We've lost together. But I've never lost a game to mastin. It's like I'm her kryptonite. So if you think mastin's scum, get me to replace in.

I FINALLY BROKE THE CYCLE!

[sthar8]

that was jingle. It is the first time you've beaten me though.

[sthar8]

wait, no it isn't

you were town in street racers.

so that's all jingle, honey

[Fluminator]

I'm curious. Since the scum thread isn't being released for some reason, why did you choose which people you did for doing the kill? I'm mostly interested in why Ika did the kill night 3.

[Antihero]

hey people
don't make me lock the thread

[Gorkington]

*popcorn*

[mastin2]

Well frankly, I didn't really care if ika got caught. He was expendable, and honestly the more and more he lurked, the more and more he was a liability. And, regardless of what you think about ika's play this game, bluntly, he and I simply didn't get along. There was animosity between us, so if he got caught, I admit, I actually thought our odds of winning could potentially go UP.

Plus, vezok the other goon had good towncred, I certainly wasn't risking myself (I NEVER make the kill for my scumteam; even when I'm a goon, I might send my PR-buddy to do it, and as a PR, HECK no), and Aristophanes was also a PR I didn't want to risk being caught, soyeah. Ika.

[mastin2]

(Incidentally, this is why the interactions between me and ika were so 'good': because we hated each other's guts, we both reacted negatively to one another, allowing us to create some VERY good distancing.)

[mastin2]

I could see Jaqen as scum. I don't agree with his reads at all and it's reminiscent of mastin's ego/bravado/arrogance as scum - "SHEEP ME AND YOU WILL SEE." Then 2 days later half the town is dead.

And then, lategame, I proceeded to do exactly that!
>SHEEP ME, NACHO IS SCUM.
>SHEEP ME, JAQEN IS SCUM.
>SHEEP ME, PERE IS SCUM.

WHOOPSIES!

[mastin2]

Oh, and btw: now that said tell is broken, Jingle...
...What WAS said tell that made you think I was town, anyway?
I can guess, but I'd like to know what it was.

[T S O]

I think I'm taking a break from mafia for a while, but maybe I'll get to play with y'all again.

<3

[Fluminator]

I could see Jaqen as scum. I don't agree with his reads at all and it's reminiscent of mastin's ego/bravado/arrogance as scum - "SHEEP ME AND YOU WILL SEE." Then 2 days later half the town is dead.

And then, lategame, I proceeded to do exactly that!
>SHEEP ME, NACHO IS SCUM.
>SHEEP ME, JAQEN IS SCUM.
>SHEEP ME, PERE IS SCUM.

WHOOPSIES!

lol
Your push on Flubber tho.

[T S O]

Ika, I really don't see why you want the scum PT kept private - your scumgame is no mystery to anyone here, and everyone but you is eager to see it released.

[mastin2]

I am going to lynch the fuck out of mastin in any game with her she pulls an oh gee golly can't catch up routine. It is known

And you will hit me as town nine times out of ten.

I went into a lengthy explanation of this in the mafia PT. But when I'm demotivated, I'm demotivated. When I'm busy, I'm busy.
My level of awareness of the gamestate is different as town and as scum, and as a result, when I can't catch up as scum I generally have some advantage, but it is almost completely involuntary. Unlike ika, I do NOT lurk in my scumgames. If anything, I'm overactive in them, because I have more reason to be passionate about it. (Chance to show off good scumgame > another dang towngame.)

[mastin2]

i'm
a
loser
babyyyyyy
so why don't ya' kill me?

Love this song, btw.

idek why nobody is paranoid about mastin being alive still, come to think of it.

You can blame that on degradation of my towngame. People hold

such

a low opinion of me in my games these days that as scum, I can get away with a lot of stuff I never used to be able to, simply because people think I'm that incompetent. This is, of course, not deliberate (I'd never sabotage my towngame for my scumgame; if anything, by actively rambling about it every game, I'm doing vice-versa), but useful all the same. It was plausible that the scum left me alive because "lol, mastina's terrible", therefore, I didn't gain much suspicion.

mastin is being slightly too much. 4256 is literally obvious Scum theatre, no?

Yes. Yes, it was.

I had better wording planned, but I forgot it, so last minute was having a panic attack at how obvscum it sounded, because I wasn't

quite

at the point where I could freely get away with obvscum posting (even though I was getting close).

[mastin2]

the scum thread is fucking hilarious.
i wish ya'll could see it.

I'm reading the content from around that time, but I can't see why content from that particular point is any more hilarious than anything else. Care to enlighten me?