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i don't see catboi as scum being so obstinate in early-game about whatever "tell" it was he was using, or purposefully aggravating people, specifically in interactions with flameaxe (ISO). the brush-offs read more like town who doesn't really care about how their reads present to others, but rather cares about figuring or working things out for his own benefit. i saw multiple displays of that kind of mindset throughout his early posting/iso, and it's a strong indicator of town to me.
as for my blackberry townread, while that kind of circular rambling (94) is really easy to do as scum (it's pretty much my go-to method for scumplay), right now i'm at the point where i feel comfortable ignoring the WIFOM and going by the odds - that his blatant self-awareness is more likely town than scum
i'll check up on the recent spiffeh and coug interactions in a bit.
i feel like the more i get a sense of who coug is, though, the more i find myself willing to attribute my earlier suspicion to him just being a... Serious Person. but again, want to review things in more context.
also, sorry i've been avoiding the thread for... two days? i've been fairly active and had multiple chances to do shit but honestly flameaxe's "functionally moronic" comment got to me and it keeps running through my head. (in case anyone couldn't tell, i'm trying to adopt an open+honest mindset for this mafia game, even if it turns out looking bad or kind of embarrassing for me.
for the record, i'd probably say i was doing this if i was scum, too, but whatever it's happening)link in bio- Marquis
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↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:unvote, vote Marquis
why? my old man gutty gut.
not a good enough answer?
lots of town reads he wants to share for no reason.
stretchy case on Spiff....but it is day 1..everything is stretchy.
and...I wouldnt be surprised if that vote on Spiff was theater (what exactly changed to remove said stretchy case vote?)....which also makes me wonder about Spiff.
I am surprised I am the first vote here...hmmmmm
↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:one of these people on the Coug wagon tell me what this wagon on Coug is about?....thinking am missing it.
almost forgot to address this! because i think it's pretty ridiculous!
i don't really like how you're bringing up me wanting to share my reads as if that's in any way something that scum do more than town.
i don't like how you're trying to throw out extremely stretchy associatives between me and spiffeh on page 7, after you've criticized my own stretchy case (+ i did nothing to hide how obviously weak it was, even bringing it up myself - i shared it because i wanted to get my suspicions out in the open and see if anyone else was seeing what i was, which reck sort of addressed)
i also really dislike the way the last thoughts you're throwing out are half-baked. yes, i'm doing that too to an extent, but the way you're presenting your opinions of me and my interactions with spiffeh - well that's just it, there's no real attempted analysis or stance you're taking there. you're just giving a vaguely negative portrayal of me and leaving it to other people to potentially fill in the blanks for you, which i find scummy as heck.
VOTE: curiouskarmadog
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Posting, then coming back to it eight minutes later ≠ immediately. I am not going to fight semantics with you.
Here's something that's a safe thing to assume: If I'm still voting you, then I'm still scumreading you. Now here's something that isn't: If my original reason for voting you is invalid, it doesn't mean I agree with Marquis. You have been asked repeatedly to show how you drew the conclusion that I do, and I still have not received a satisfactory answer. AndTHATis why I am still voting you.- Flameaxe
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↑ Spiffeh wrote:I'm just going to walk you through clearly and concisely because this is getting annoying and I want to make sure everyone sees how scummy you are.
- Post 113 is where you vote for me because you didn't like my reaction to Marquis' case.
- In post 121 I reply by pointing you to a post I made 8 MINUTES after the one you quoted, thus COMPLETELY nullifying your argument of "this is your defense to Marquis?" because NO it was NOT!
- The next course of action I'd expect town to take would be to realize that they were wrong and reevaluate. To make a post that CLARIFIES your read on me, whatever it may be, since your original reason for voting for me held no weight.
- You respond with post 132 which tells me jack shit about what you think of me now that your original argument is void, and lies about me not posting immediately (8 MINUTES is not immediate enough apparently) to boot!
- In post 134 I ask if you're still scum reading me (albeit quite sassily). You never against address why you're scum reading me. In post 149 you actually respond to the second part of that very same post, so I know you saw it.
I made an effort to understand your reason for voting for me. You ignored it. Now you're trying to turn that around on me by calling it a misrep because I made an assumption on something you refused to clarify. That is not town behavior. Your reason for scum reading me between posts 121 and whenever AJ throws you a bone with his misrep case is unaccounted for and something you need to explain.
In other news, I really like the color of your name!
This feels genuine and I like thetryof this post, would feel comfortable calling spiffeh town here. I do agree 113 is bad and looks worse reading this explanation but I just can't be sure this isn't a misunderstanding on at least some level. I don't know.- catboi
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↑ StrangerCoug wrote:Here's something that's a safe thing to assume: If I'm still voting you, then I'm still scumreading you. Now here's something that isn't: If my original reason for voting you is invalid, it doesn't mean I agree with Marquis. You have been asked repeatedly to show how you drew the conclusion that I do, and I still have not received a satisfactory answer. And THAT is why I am still voting you.
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↑ Marquis wrote:
i also really dislike the way the last thoughts you're throwing out are half-baked. yes, i'm doing that too to an extent, but the way you're presenting your opinions of me and my interactions with spiffeh - well that's just it, there's no real attempted analysis or stance you're taking there. you're just giving a vaguely negative portrayal of me and leaving it to other people to potentially fill in the blanks for you, which i find scummy as heck.
VOTE: curiouskarmadog
and now that i've done that, this feels better than the coug wagon right now too.
It is day fucking one..I didnt put a case out there. I am voting on my gut. Intuition if you will. But since you want to throw a OMGUS vote out there, lets start a dialogue.
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Also, this is a strange reaction to my post. What exactly dont you like about the above? You made a stretchy ass case on spiff, but then abandoned it for little to no reason.
to me..that seems like you really didnt believe it (seems like theater). IF Spiff DOES flip scum, that vote/unvote is suspicious. So that I am clear, you dont see how ANYONE could view that suspiciously? Now in that same post, I mentioned..."hey it's day 1..everything is stretchy" but the timing in which you unvoted seemed....off...and this reaction...more so.annnnd, I am retired.- curiouskarmadog
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↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:
Also, this is a strange reaction to my post. What exactly dont you like about the above? You made a stretchy ass case on spiff, but then abandoned it for little to no reason.
to me..that seems like you really didnt believe it (seems like theater). IF Spiff DOES flip scum, that vote/unvote is suspicious. So that I am clear, you dont see how ANYONE could view that suspiciously? Now in that same post, I mentioned..."hey it's day 1..everything is stretchy" but the timing in which you unvoted seemed....off...and this reaction...more so.
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Eventually, Dotty found it difficult to get out of her chair and get around. In desperation, she did the only thing she could think of, and got herself put in a home.
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StrangerCoug - 4 - Mollie, Flameaxe, scotmany, spiffeh
Spiffeh - 2 - strangercoug, AJ the epic
Pirate Mollie - 2 - CDB, notscience
curiouskarmadog - 2 - Marquis, catboi
Reckoner - 1 - Papa Zito
Flameaxe - 1 - Reckoner
Marquis - 1 - curiouskarmadog
catboi - 1 - Nexus
Not voting - 4 - Blackberry, Bins, Starbuck, Davsto
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↑ catboi wrote:↑ StrangerCoug wrote:Here's something that's a safe thing to assume: If I'm still voting you, then I'm still scumreading you. Now here's something that isn't: If my original reason for voting you is invalid, it doesn't mean I agree with Marquis. You have been asked repeatedly to show how you drew the conclusion that I do, and I still have not received a satisfactory answer. And THAT is why I am still voting you.
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what?
What's not clear to you?
↑ catboi wrote:↑ curiouskarmadog wrote:
Also, this is a strange reaction to my post. What exactly dont you like about the above? You made a stretchy ass case on spiff, but then abandoned it for little to no reason.
to me..that seems like you really didnt believe it (seems like theater). IF Spiff DOES flip scum, that vote/unvote is suspicious. So that I am clear, you dont see how ANYONE could view that suspiciously? Now in that same post, I mentioned..."hey it's day 1..everything is stretchy" but the timing in which you unvoted seemed....off...and this reaction...more so.
VOTE: ckd
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okay. a few things.
gonna start here:
yanno, I expected to have to deal with some paranoia in every game after ff7 but this is a bit premature. i don't even know what you are trying to accomplish here. I am never a good lynch on d1, ever, even if I am scum. if there are scum in the game then I will likely find them, I mean I did that in ff7 even going the extent of of offering up traitor!cephrir as a tasty nk for the team:
also you will likely find associatives cos I drop them like mad that is why I tend to do best in smaller teams or multiball. but usually I am an early nk and you know it give scum a chance to sort me out before you go fucking the game up by trolleytracking cos of some stupid leftover paranoia w/o giving me a chance.
so that is a very bad vote. d2 or even further in the game, yeah mebbe but the placing of this vote is bad so lets look at what led up to it.
you have stated that you have townreads. I am not sure what the purpose of stating that was since you did not say who those reads were so there wasn't really a doorway into any type of discussion so what was the point? if you want to discuss reads then yeah okay I am game but that was just fluff.
you told bins to do stuff or die and then she is like I am eating turkey and i guess you felt good enough about it to leave her alone? okay.
I don't have you as town yet cos so far you are pretty out of step. the only thing that you have done that I liked was that you backed off of reck. I am unsure of reck but when you unvoted it seemed pretty natural.
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Majority of the reason I voted you is that I'm townreading CDB, and you were the only person who was being voted by only townreads (granted it was one). Im not really paranoid because you know when I do get paranoid I'll start waffling all over the place regarding you and you also know if I was waffling I'd at least put the ball in your court.
I stated townreads yes which I realized didn't leave much open for discussion. A big part of it was because one of them was Marquis who, if scum, I wouldn't have wanted him to know I was already townreading him.
My first 3 townreads were Marquis, CDB, and Davsto.
The fourth one I added on was spiffeh.
After my reread, I added AJ, catboi, and blackberry.
I told bins do things or die and I hadn't been back in this game since because I have been in MD all weekend and this game was low on my priorities but while yes it does bug me, it's not alignment indicative and I know she will do things if I give her space which is why I am.
I've been out of step for ~reasons~ that don't really have anything to do with the game at hand.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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@ ckd
not gonna lie, I am probably gonna ignore your question cos false equivalency arguments bore me and I wld like to think that we are both better than that.
I am guessing that your intent was to tease out a more direct line of reasoning as to why i think strangerkitty is scum.
and this is where I stumble and gnash my teeth cos i can tell you why but more than likely you will dismiss it cos OMG I THINK HE IS SCUM FOR REAONS THAT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXPERIENCE. but I will try to explain it anyway.
I think i have 3? mebbe 4 completed games with sc? tbh i didn't know how he was gonna act around me considering the last game we played together was an abomination and 1 I am not fond of remembering. I lost my shit cos a misogynistic douche spent 400+ (not kidding, 400+ posts that included my name) dedicated to how I must be the sk cos the sk was hitting scum. I am being very srs that was the crux of his argument. but anyways
1 game that I am fond of remembering even tho town lost was when I got an early townread on sc and after was outed as a special cos some dumb fucktard decided to scumhunt off of their vanilla role pm I fakeclaimed hider (we were the vig) in order to do dodge a nk. I felt so very very very confident in my townread on sc that on d2 when I saw that he was alive I said I hid behind him. yaye! he was town! unfortunately he got lynched in lylo, I think partially due to nacho's stupid townread on desperado which kept me off of desperado way longer than it shld. pie shld have gone with my townread but whatev.
and I think I townread him in another game too. my point is, when sc is town I KNOW HE IS FREAKING TOWN and I am not feeling it this game. usually I can follow his thoughts (except when he is talking about light switches), he is just 1 of those players that I am able to slide into harmony with when we are both town and I AM. SO. NOT. FEELING. IT.
also i don't think I have ever actually hit on strangerkitty BUT HOW CAN I EVEN START TO IF HE IGNORES MEH. HE SAID HI WITH HIS RVS VOTE AND WHAT, NO QUESTIONS FOR THE PERSON WHO STARTED HIS WAGON IN THE FIRST PLACE LIKE OMG.
I feel fairly confident that sc is scum or else I wld not be pushing it. I like sc, I always have even if we have never actually shared a "moment" in mafia. I wldn't push him if I did not think that there was an above average chance of him flipping scum.
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I will get to the responses in a sec I want to get all of my thoughts out first.
can we all make a pact to say r & e * c # k (minus the symbols) in every post so that he will read the game? cos all he does is hit search for his name and that is what he responds to.
I have a slight townlean on reck btw.whew!- notscience
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now lets talk about zito.
hold on a moment, cos i am bit over this read.
zito was like "hi mollie" and I was happy to follow his lead, even when I thought his read on reck felt a bit forced and manufactured when he started to push it.
but this. THIS.
↑ Papa Zito wrote:↑ StrangerCoug wrote:
Not right now. I want to know what scotmany12 and Flameaxe are up to right now, but I'm a bit tired to think, and I don't think they're necessarily scum. They're not on the top of my town list, however.
The answer, of course, is shenanigans.
Hello from the Houston Museum of Natural Science, where I'm sleeping tonight. It's lights out in 2 minutes so gnight errybody.
makes me wanna weep.
I am not feeling good about zito at this point but I am going to a bit to see if I am misjudging as in I better see a post to me or 1 to flame that I can wrap my head around.
oh! I am liking flame, probs the player who I am most in tune with at this point as far as game pivot.whew! - pirate mollie
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