Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[pirate mollie]

I'm here if you want to talk about things. Im trying to ignore everything going on and I agree it sucks but there's a reason I'm not thinking of anything a lot of the playerlist is saying and a reason I'm monopolizing who I am interacting with. I think the way the game has gone already (not talking about you) its looking like a scum win purely off the toxicity and Im trying my hardest not to add to it but trust me I did see it and it did piss me off. But I really don't want scum to win and I don't want people to get off thinking that being assholes is okay because when scum wins they're going to scapegoat the other people which is why I'm trying my hardest to ignore it and do my own thing and I need you to work with me because I'm having an insanely hard time keeping my reads unbiased.

I think it will be a scum win too only cos I am looking at who is trying to disperse the herd and some of them are my townreads and I don't know what to do with that.

[notscience]

I'm just trying to ignore them because they think it's okay to act like they are and right now condemning their bullshit doesn't help anyone. I think the best thing we can do is try to sort out who among those who aren't being toaster strudels are town, and try to figure out who among the toaster strudels is scum trying to stir the pot and get them out of the game.

[notscience]

It's admittedly a big part of why I'm shoving back paranoia regarding the three of you.

I don't think scum-Marquis would have gone anywhere near the paranoia trick regarding me after Saki so I feel like he's town.

I liked your reachout to Bins.

And I liked what bins is saying and I liked her paranoia spark about me.

[pirate mollie]

I'm just trying to ignore them because they think it's okay to act like they are and right now condemning their bullshit doesn't help anyone. I think the best thing we can do is try to sort out who among those who aren't being toaster strudels are town, and try to figure out who among the toaster strudels is scum trying to stir the pot and get them out of the game.

I find it weird that as a collective they are solely attacking the newer players it is freaking me out and makes me not trust anybody.

eta: did you just read my mind right now

[Spiffeh]

Who is attacking which new players?

I don't feel attacked

[notscience]

It's just FEA 2.0.

It just feels like the discrepancy you always see between generations.

"Back in my day, a whoopin' was just fine"

[Starbuck]

Attacking? I asked for a response and was attacked, repeatedly, and given excuse after excuse for nonresponses. So I think we need to take a look at the whole picture before we state that "a group of older players are attacking newer players." Just sayin.

[pirate mollie]

I think bins, marquis and you are town. there are some pple I want to put in there but I really just don't know cos the game is weird.

I really want matty to be town but I am not sure that he is.

I am not sure what reck is huffing, but I stand by that he usually gets my alignment right in forum games. it may take him awhile but he usually does and what he has posted so far is more a calculated attempt to push my emotional boundaries than sort my alignment.

I feel kind of lost. I think bins and you and marquis are town.

[pirate mollie]

Attacking? I asked for a response and was attacked, repeatedly, and given excuse after excuse for nonresponses. So I think we need to take a look at the whole picture before we state that "a group of older players are attacking newer players." Just sayin.

plz explain to me how calling me a bitch is somehow less insulting than me calling reck a fag.

FTR I TAKE NO ISSUE WITH RECK CALLING ME A BITCH

cos sometimes I am 1 even tho I try not to be.

[notscience]

Matt feels underwhelming here in comparison to how he felt in Disney.

I think Nexus is, regardless of CDB's alignment, town, for similar reasons to why singer always has to read quadz right in f2f. His push on me is also terrible, but it feels more town-terrible than scum.

I kinda think flameaxe looks town. I like that, although he's really doing fuckall, he's still a presence.

I think I saw people saying this is ckd being ckd so I'm fine with leaning town on him.

I liked catboi but I don't particularly remember a lot of the reasoning behind it.

Gun to my head I am leaning town on reck but he is horrendously offbase so that could be wrong. I also need to go check mod error and see if his play here resembles that in any way shape or form but i am leaning town.

I liked davvyboy's early stuff and I don't think newer scum players would avoid the thread when stuff was going down like he did, I think they would be hocked up on newbscumdrenaline and try to stir the pot

[notscience]

Starbuck, I think the big idea behind her frustration with you stems from your first interaction with her regarding SC, where you chose to quote a smaller reason bugging her about SC rather than the big wall. You didn't even acknowledge it, which set this all off.

A lot of players hate not being listened to.

Do I necessarily agree that her big wall to you wasn't a bit over the line? No, I think it was. but I understand her frustration and you constantly pushing her when she doesn't really want to interact with you bothers me.

But she's not wrong when she says that there has been several older players coming after the newer players- Reck coming after me, ckd after marq, and you in particular made a comment about "Is this what to expect of newer joindates" and while I see why you made that comment and I agree that post was over the line, there's still been an overlying theme of that throughout the game and it's driving a wedge through the town.

I think the best course of action is to just avoid each other for a while.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah ns I'm not digging this role of peacekeeper you are trying to take on.

Like on one hand I can kinda see what you're trying to prevent but I feel like you're using it to appear like you're contributing without really doing anything.

[Spiffeh]

Idk if I can articulate the feeling correctly but I'm wondering if anyone else is thinking similarly?

[notscience]

Fun fact

I did that very thing in PvZ

Fun fact number 2

mollie marquis and bins were all town in that game! That was basically all I did beside a MONDO GINORMOUS 11 HOUR WALL.



But on a more serious note, gamestate is important to me. We aren't in a healthy gamestate.

And I am very evidently trying to work with mollie and contribute thoughts to a discussion so ????

[MattP]

Matt feels underwhelming here in comparison to how he felt in Disney.

I've been skimming and I intend to be more substantive tomorrow and just generally more as the game slows down, but I'm in medical school now and I'm never going to be available to provide a level of content similar to my older play.

[notscience]

What I plan to do once we hash things out is form the wagon that I mentioned before.

I'm trying to figure out who I don't want to lynch and see how that aligns with mollies so we can come to a consensus on who TO lynch.

pedit-

Spoiler:

[scotmany12]

Does anyone else have a problem with notscience saying she is ignoring stuff?

[scotmany12]

Also. Him saying newer and older players should just avoid each other...wtf

[notscience]

I am not saying that.

I am saying that mollie and starbuck should avoid each other, because they keep getting into arguments that aren't relevant.

But no, nice try.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, I think the big idea behind her frustration with you stems from your first interaction with her regarding SC, where you chose to quote a smaller reason bugging her about SC rather than the big wall. You didn't even acknowledge it, which set this all off.

A lot of players hate not being listened to.

Do I necessarily agree that her big wall to you wasn't a bit over the line? No, I think it was. but I understand her frustration and you constantly pushing her when she doesn't really want to interact with you bothers me.

But she's not wrong when she says that there has been several older players coming after the newer players- Reck coming after me, ckd after marq, and you in particular made a comment about "Is this what to expect of newer joindates" and while I see why you made that comment and I agree that post was over the line, there's still been an overlying theme of that throughout the game and it's driving a wedge through the town.

I think the best course of action is to just avoid each other for a while.

My comment about "Is this what to expect of newer join dates" was in reference to the vitriol spewing from mollie. As someone who seemed to want to show how the new players do things, the turn that she has taken is more than disappointing. It sucks.

I wasn't even the one who brought up new vs old. She started with the whole old vs new playstyles when I was commenting about her and Marquis in my catch up, but I was asking questions and putting pressure in hopes for responses and reactions. Like I said earlier, Marquis handled it with grace. Mollie decided that she needed to personally attack me because she felt that I didn't read what she said and that I'm just touching the surface, but still she refuses to even clarify any of that beginning or to read my response and continue the conversation so that we can feel each other out. She's cut off any and all means of even trying to find common ground, and I've given her chance after chance to do it while dealing with some of the rudest and nastiest play that I have seen to date on this site.

[notscience]

I know it frustrates you.

I think that the best plan for the immediate future is to avoid each other.

[scotmany12]

I feel like starbucks argument with mollie is quite relevant. Mollie's contribution, not so much,

[Starbuck]

In relation to SC, why didn't she ask for clarification or ask me to expound? She didn't.

However, after seeing her complaint, I did go back in #408 to expound upon that and she refuses to acknowledge or even respond.

[notscience]

You both need time to cool off. I think any read that can come out of you two interacting now is going to be too clouded by emotions.

pedit-

I'm not saying it isn't.

I'm just saying it's probably not the best idea to keep pressing given how it's been going. I'm not saying if people are scumreading mollie she shouldn't eat rope, but I think that if it's trying to feel her out it's not a good idea to continue at this juncture.

pedit2-

I don't know.

[notscience]

mollie, do you think you could try to unpack the SC read some please?

While it makes sense to me I think it might be somewhat more beneficial if you could put it to words.