Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[notscience]

I would, but I don't like the constituents of the wagon.

myko can you explain why that post means CDB is more likely town here?

[Bins]

VOTE: davsto

[notscience]

Sell me on it por favor

[Starbuck]

So you'd vote for Espy if not for those already voting? Who makes you feel this way and why?

[Espeonage]

Hai peeps. Shaky onlineness atm bc I'm not going to be nocturnal any more because I have jobs and shit now. So I have competition for computer town. Going to try and come to some sort of agreement or find a way to get online more often. But for the est of the week assume I am going to have shaky activity.

[mykonian]

ok look if most of you aren't gonna play can you at least just sheep onto the Espeonage wagon?

no

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

VOTE: Aj the epic

I think it's proper to cool down on an espy lynch till you actually have something to go on. His slots interaction with matt is fine, come back in a day or two and revise, but he's not the lynch we want today.

[Spiffeh]

mykonian what is the lynch you want today?

I am starting at the ISO button and I could easily check but my hand refuses to move my mouse there!

[catboi]

catboi I really like your readslist but I strongly disagree with your read on cdb, I am in camp nexus and notty as far there is something very off about him. I HATE his voteparking on scotty, who is a strong townread of mine.

Thing is, I can see his reasons for voting him and I don't think they're at all unreasonable? Nor do I think "vote parking" on someone seemingly no one else is interested in is all that scummy, and is probably a sign he's not looking at easy targets.

Nexus:

Low content makes it hard to judge but his scumread of me + spiffeh on day 1 is such an insane reach I don't see it coming from scum. It's hilariously out there, which is why he probably actually thought it. Scum go with something they think they can actually sell people on.

notscience:

Start to the game was unconventional, but lean towards it being from town even though I'm not sure him saying he just had townreads did much. Think more likely stems from a town sort of confidence than from scum trying to appeal to people. Way he expresses an expectation for Bins to do things in 185 feels town. doubt of mollie in 257 feels a little town. 375 is understandable since I felt the same way about ckd. Then, reading along I'm not seeing a lot of drive from him to do anything and I'm sort of understanding why some people wanted to vote him yesterday - it's not an impressive ISO. 847 reads very genuine though, I like it. Reads in 859 mostly reasonable although unexceptional? 1033 is a nice sort of detailed read and while I'm not going to fully backcheck it, it feels real. Reaction to the wagon in 1150 feels slightly town? It's not inconceivable scum could fake the stance of calling the people on their wagon town, but it's consistent with his thoughts overall, it's not like the people voyting him were townread overall, he'd be limiting his outs from the day for no reason. 1181 reads as sort of a town fatalism. Can be faked, again, but guessing it isn't. Hesitation on matt in 1593 a bit weird, move back onto him was just okay. Read is sort of very feelings-based to this point, I haven't seen much of what I'd say was a strong post from him but still leaning toward town.


Actually like the way he questions CDB in 1622 - feels purposeful. Same with the questioning of flameaxe in 1631, these are sharp observations that look like they're coming from a town player.


Wondering why he asked me if I'm townreading him in 1345


The wagon on him day 1 was still bad, even if I understand it a little more.


that was a raelly long read and I only got to ISO 131 and don't want to tackle the readslist tonight, poop

also I fell asleep when I got home today sorry

[catboi]

also now that it ended I can say I think CDB doesn't seem as fake to me here as in mini 1716 where his reads were sort of full of crap and based around nitpicky tone things (realize it's a vastly different environment, but still). Don't think the inactivity is alignment indicative but I also think he was favoring this game over that one but that's just from memory

[pirate mollie]

also now that it ended I can say I think CDB doesn't seem as fake to me here as in mini 1716 where his reads were sort of full of crap and based around nitpicky tone things (realize it's a vastly different environment, but still). Don't think the inactivity is alignment indicative but I also think he was favoring this game over that one but that's just from memory

I am pretty sure his read on me on d1 was nitpicky for something that he knows wldn't be scummy from me and his read on scotty isn't any better.

voteparking absolutely is scummy combined with lurking. its a lone vote that you never REALLY have to be accountable for since it usually doesn't wind up in a lynch and most of the time pple read the lynch wagon and somehow manage to miss OH HAI WHAT ARE OTHER PLAYERS DOING.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: espeonage

[xRECKONERx]

ok guys im around

between my survivor game ending and me processing the Nobody Special thing I just needed to take some time. I'll try to get back into this

[Papa Zito]

yeah I figured

[ChannelDelibird]

One of my other games just ended so hopefully I shouldn't be so distracted between several commitments that I fail to make time for any of them, or at least less so. No plans today so will be catching up in the next few hours.

[Flameaxe]

ok guys im around

between my survivor game

ending and me processing the Nobody Special thing I just needed to take some time. I'll try to get back into this

Quiet mostly for same bolded reason, equally working to catch back up.

[mykonian]

mykonian what is the lynch you want today?

I am starting at the ISO button and I could easily check but my hand refuses to move my mouse there!

I'm sorry to say it wouldn't get you anywhere either.

This is the post that more or less tells where I am looking.

people I should read a second time: flameaxe, starbuck, nexus.
CKD probably requires a meta dive which I really don't feel like.
I need more from bins.

Flameaxe I like from the interaction with the matt/sc slot, but ticks me off in some other places. I seem to remember he's a lurking scum, but he's an old player. There's probably something to find to go figure out where to go with him, but I haven't found it yet. Starbuck I do not know as a player. There were a couple of posts that had markers that pointed me towards her, partially in the way she handled mollie. (rereading, that requires clarification. Every discussion with mollie has ended up in a mess, not talking about that. It's how starbuck maneuvred there with the rest of the game as the target audience). This however, I wouldn't want to vote on. But then again, half the issue with finding scum is that you don't know where you should be looking, maybe there's something there. I forgot what ticked me off with nexus, but something did. I had a townread on him but somewhere there was a post that made me think I gave that out too easily.

CKD has a playstyle that's really defensive. His reads are quite out there, his focus is alien to me. He's the kind of player that will get gut scumread by me, but that's only sometimes working out. Hence, I should read some other games from him.

Bins is one of the people in my blind spot. The others at least have some stuff out there that I can work with to figure them out. Bit harder with Bins.


So there are two issues at hand from me. I got a bunch of townreads from the SC lynch, but didn't see a clear bus or avoidance. And outside of that, I'm still running into the same wall I had day one, where I'm having trouble finding information in the data.

[scotmany12]

Also yeah the Espeonage wagon is terrible I'm sorry.

Well not that terrible there are just better options.

Can you expand on this spiffeh? Obviously, you think davstro is one of the better options, I get that. But do you really not see AJ and SC being scum together?

I am not opposed to a davstro lynch. We have now gone 24 or so hours without him contributing, despite him saying he would.

@Mollie: You know zito far more when it comes to mafia. I just don't think he has been scummy at all. His vote on MattP was understandable for me, and I didn't see any of the kicking and screaming.

ok look if most of you aren't gonna play can you at least just sheep onto the Espeonage wagon?

no

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

VOTE: Aj the epic

I think it's proper to cool down on an espy lynch till you actually have something to go on. His slots interaction with matt is fine, come back in a day or two and revise, but he's not the lynch we want today.

I really, really dislike posts like this. Don't just quote a post and have us extrapolate your reasoning from it. Tell us why it's not a good lynch.

[Porochaz]

Votecount 2.04

Espeonage

(5): scotmany12, Papa Zito, Starbuck, Davsto, pirate mollie

Davsto

(3): Spiffeh, Flameaxe, Bins

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Espeonage

ChannelDelibird

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(5): xRECKONERx, Nexus, curiouskarmadog, catboi, mykonian,
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[mykonian]

well I don't know if I can say all that much more than what I've said in post 2030.

It's not a good lynch because now we know matt is scum, at first I wouldn't even expect him day 1 to pick a scum and a town as a limited choice for his lynch, and on top of that, he surely would not pick his scumbuddy as a preference. The situation wasn't close to as clear that scum was forced to make a choice like that. Matt had options, he chose to go with a limited choice between AJ (espe) and davsto. I'd say AJ is very town coming from that despite his own play, davsto is likely town.

So for sure, not AJ/espe, not today. If his play still bothers you in 2 days or so, you can look back and maybe consider if matt fooled me.

As for davsto, given that I think matt chose to make his choice limited, I think he was fine with either. If he manages to sell that the choice is between both, he either gets his choice, or the option he doesn't mind. Again, there were more options that end of day 1, I don't think scum would intentionally put up their buddy on the chopping block. But obviously, it is more likely that davsto is a buddy than AJ is.


That's 2 hard to read paragraphs to say "his interaction in these posts with AJ is not one between scumbuddies, we shouldn't lynch espe".

[Bins]

Sell me on it por favor

where is Davsto

[Nexus]

I want to flake but I really shouldn't.

I'll try and get caught up by the weekend - if I haven't, I will let someone less useless play.

[Davsto]

Sell me on it por favor

where is Davsto

behind you

[Bins]

impecable timing

[scotmany12]

So. Actual content time, davstro. Let's see it.

[Davsto]

Gimme thirty minutes, por favor.