Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Flay Gunnar]

votecount 1.9

Cold Pizza (1) - Antihero
3dicerolling (1) - Cold Pizza
CharlotteBebe (2) - Zexion, PocketFullOfSunshine
Zexion (1) - Navizel
Antihero (1) - CharlotteBebe
itlepip (2) - Spiffeh, MarioManiac4
Spiffeh (2) - itlepip, Maxous
Maxous (1) - 3dicerolling

Not voting (2) - Gilgamesh King Of Heroes, Saki

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 12, 12:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-12 12:30:00).

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Gilgamesh King Of Heroes has failed to confirm and will be replaced

[Zexion]

I suppose Miller claims should be left aside for the moment. Not like you could take them seriously at this point...

For now:

UNVOTE:

I noticed it.

what do you think about maxuous's vote on anti?

I didn't really get the reason. Seemed like a random vote switch after the IC confirmation, not really my liking.

Tho I like his logic on Spiffeh.


Why is anti still voting Cold Pizza?

[itlepip]

Anti probably hasn't caught up to the child conf. It is not like there is any reason for scum or town to ever vote for pizza.

[Spiffeh]

Okay, so what was your initial reason for starting the wagon?
You said "hey lets start a wagon on itlepip", then essentially copy pasted that same post about 10 more times in the thread, and that is all you have done after RVS. The only explanation for your read has been my reaction to your wagon, so unless you could somehow foresee my reaction to your wagon, deemed it scummy and started a wagon on me because of that you have provided no other explanation for why I am scum. So either give whatever scum read you had on me when you started the wagon that you withheld in order to say "join my wagon plsssssssss" or admit that you push random wagons.

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Here is my reason for wanting to start a wagon on you:

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about.

Just because I didn't state the reason right when I voted for you doesn't mean I chose you arbitrarily.

Did you miss that?

[Spiffeh]

Was my reasoning weak? Yes.

Did your subsequent reaction to my vote make me more comfortable keeping it? Yes.

[Spiffeh]

so why did you get chummy with me when i started providing content after coming under pressure? shouldnt i have stayed in the same spot on your readslist and received more pressure from you as a result?

Because you started providing content after coming under pressure. ???
I don't see why you'd think that.

[itlepip]

Heh, I meant for my vote to be on pocket for trying to pocket me, just mistyped the name.

Honestly though right now I'm happy with the vote on Spiffeh so its gunna stay.

This is what you started the wagon for?

[Spiffeh]

I just quoted my reason. Your post 76.

[itlepip]

Was my reasoning weak? Yes.

Did your subsequent reaction to my vote make me more comfortable keeping it? Yes.

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

[Spiffeh]

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

[Spiffeh]

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Also where did I ever misrepresent why I started the wagon?

[itlepip]

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.
Second

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

This could easily and was pushed.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

[Spiffeh]

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.

And once again I encourage you to go back and show me something scummier where my vote would have been justified.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

Yep that is the post that got me to ISO you and see your joke post. So now you're saying just because I didn't mention scum reading your joke post immediately after it happened I can't go back later and notice it? If you care to read the posts in between, it was pretty clear I was preoccupied and engaging with CB.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

I'm not voting for you for the joke post anymore. That should be very clear. I'm pretty sure I have admitted several times how weak it is. You can see why I'm voting for you in post 228. Once again you are saying you can't see how that's the scummiest thing in the game but you fail to provide other places where my vote would serve a better purpose. So how is that I'm the one making excuses here? I can't tell if you're actually confused or if you're intentionally misrepresenting my reasons for voting you.

[Flay Gunnar]

Navizel has requested replacement

[PocketFullofSunshine]

is this a pr, notsci
else can you stop

By royal decree I am committed to persist.

UNVOTE:

so in all seriousness, there's been a miller claim and a confirmed IC, right
do we have anything to lose by lynching the miller claim

His majesty's respect and patience.

why

note that ive pretty much forgotten everything and anything about mafia so talk me through this

In his majesty's court we do not think such one-dimensional thoughts- those are for the peasants and stableboys.

One's occupation speaks nothing of the character of their person or their interest in magicks.

The prosecution would like to present post 67 to his glorious Majesty as an example of earlier example of wagon pushing.

We are not insinuating that the great Majesty didn't make a mistake, but that such a detail about an ignoble person would be beneath your majesty's attention.


*bows

His royal highness pays heed to the prior vote, however the accusation was for the charge of

random

wagon pushing, and that first vote is very obviously reasoned out, as well as being his highness's chef's entrance into the thread.

I'm not crazy about Saki's vote/unvote for us followed by the whole, "Lynch the miller, amirite?" play.

Ah, the court's jester is singing the lyrical overtures of my forefathers!

Who voted in #234?

-Ank

PocketfullofSunshine voted.

Lady mollie was the person who laid our sword on the prospect of your death.

His majesty's librarian, Zexion, is showing a lack of affinity for the dark magicks.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

OOC: Sorry for the late entrance, I'll catch up tomorrow or Sunday.

[CharlotteBebe]

yeah but its not going to be tonight

then when can we expect your presence in this game?

Lady mollie was the person who laid our sword on the prospect of your death.

if mollie is town this game, i am going to expect genuine effort from her end on sorting people.
a naked vote and some softball questions does not a town mollie make.
and a gimmick does not a townnotty make either.
consider this me saying that im glaring at both of you for playing a damn mild and safe opening.

And once again I encourage you to go back and show me something scummier where my vote would have been justified.

i encourage you to explain why you are arguing messy semantics with a scumread. ftr youre pinging scummy and itle seems townish from these last few exchanges.
articulate clearly why youre scumreading him pls.

Did your subsequent reaction to my vote make me more comfortable keeping it? Yes.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

this was an annoying way to respond to him since it should be clear he was looking for the reason for you were keeping your vote..
in any case,

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

i think its pretty fair to say that your play this game could have been seen as pushing random wagons if itle wasnt paying close attention. if you disagree then articulate why very clearly or else ;D
and you hardpushing this one point does earnestly feel a lot more like scum trying to take advantage of a single gotcha point than it does town who's being overeager to catch scum early.
like, youre arguing semantics with itle instead of pressuring him at this point and just kind of holding on to "oh man omgus and a lie [which isnt really a lie] he is scum!". i just get this very distinct vibe that youre uncomfortable right now.

but i'll hold on to some of my cards on you for now >:D
talk to me about some of the other cast in this game.
whats your read on pocket/3dice/mario?

Because you started providing content after coming under pressure. ???
I don't see why you'd think that.

i feel like i did? :/

[Antihero]

hey mollie you wanna' tell me about that max townread?

...b/c i'm not feeling it...

[Antihero]

actually... i'm kind of scum reading him

VOTE: maxous

[Spiffeh]

i encourage you to explain why you are arguing messy semantics with a scumread. ftr youre pinging scummy and itle seems townish from these last few exchanges.

How is this arguing semantics? He is saying that he doesn't think that his post was what the scummiest thing I should have noticed in those early pages (which I think implies he thinks I'm town but w/e). If he makes that statement he should be able to point to something that he thought was scummy. He never did at the time, so I don't know how he can possibly say that.

articulate clearly why youre scumreading him pls.

Look at post 228. And contrary to what you believe I think his responses to me have been increasingly scummy. He's trying to act like my whole scum read on him is based on his one joke post:

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous.

which isn't true.

i feel like i did? :/

Yeah that's what I was saying.

but i'll hold on to some of my cards on you for now >:D
talk to me about some of the other cast in this game.
whats your read on pocket/3dice/mario?

Mario has done jack shit so he is null. 3dice's vote on Maxous is fine (I kinda thought similarly) so he can be town. I'm townreading Pocket from our neighborhood but nothing they've done in thread has really pinged me either way.

[MarioManiac4]

going for the fake ic claim?

Trying to catch up and failing, here.
I'd like to ask for the intent of this post.

[MarioManiac4]

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

Why is being "overly aggressive" a scumtell? I'd say it is more likely to come from a Town-aligned player.

[CharlotteBebe]

How is this arguing semantics?

"go and show me something scummier than what im voting you for" seems like a waste of time to be arguing someone over, especially since youre pushing him.

He's trying to act like my whole scum read on him is based on his one joke post:

except you were being dodgy with explaining exactly what you were scumreading him for at the time of him making that post in a way that makes it seem pretty plausible that he would see your vote as such.
and you continually trying to frame this as "HE IS IGNORING MY REASONING" when you werent being absolutely clear with what your reasoning was still feels like youre intentionally trying to simplify the situation.

I'm townreading Pocket from our neighborhood

can you articulate this more clearly?

I'd like to ask for the intent of this post.

it seemed like the sort of thing varsoon would do.

[Spiffeh]

"go and show me something scummier than what im voting you for" seems like a waste of time to be arguing someone over, especially since youre pushing him.

I don't see why this would be a waste of time. I want to see if he's just reacting that way because I am voting for him or if he actually believes what he's saying and can support it.

except you were being dodgy with explaining exactly what you were scumreading him for at the time of him making that post in a way that makes it seem pretty plausible that he would see your vote as such.
and you continually trying to frame this as "HE IS IGNORING MY REASONING" when you werent being absolutely clear with what your reasoning was still feels like youre intentionally trying to simplify the situation.

I thought I was being pretty clear, could you point to posts that make you feel this way? Like how much more do I have to spell it out?
As for why I'm townreading Pocket, notscience said something like really conversational in the neighborhood that I would expect him to make in the scum chat if he had access to one. I also did a reaction test in the neighborhood (looking back it was pretty shitty lol) about making a town block with me, you, them, and Cold Pizza, and mollie said it was too early for that. Both of these things, while pretty weak, make me lean town on them.

[Spiffeh]

@Mario why are you voting for itlepip?