Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

It's incredibly confusing that you would give me implied townpoints for voting and suspecting Suzune, then turning around and voting me. I can only infer you now are reading Suzune as town, as even if we

were

both scum, you could simply help me bus my buddy to test your theory. However, your read on her is "iffy", which I don't understand how that motivates you to switch votes here. To borrow some of you phrasing, why not go for a more information-giving lynch? Especially considering allowing the Suzune wagon to grow increases information, something very useful to someone who has an iffy read on said wagonee.

I also don't like that you have an innate scumread on the miller claim. I don't think Max is confirmed town by any means, but it's not something worth pursuing D1, so it feels like you're using that as an excuse to vote me, honestly. Call the miller scum and hide behind "well, I don't want to lynch a miller claim D1", or some such.

[Flay Gunnar]

votecount 1.18

itlepip (4) - Spiffeh, MarioManiac4, 3dicerolling, Cold Pizza
Spiffeh (2) - itlepip, Suzune
Maxous (2) - Antihero, Vayne Aurelius
Suzune (1) - Gilgamesh King Of Heroes
Saki (1) - notscience
Gilgamesh King Of Heroes (1) - Saki
Antihero (1) - CharlotteBebe
MarioManiac4 (1) - Maxous

Not voting (1) - Zexion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 12, 12:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-12 12:30:00).

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Mod Notes:

Still searching for a replacement for Zexion

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Actually, between the seemingly forced leaps in logic there mixed in with actually going along with ns' "oh, he misinterpreted me being a king instead of a knight" logic as an added stepping stone, plus I dislike players who sit back and call large page-spanning arguments "town vs town" as it's an eays cop-out...

Vote: Saki

Let's dance, mongrel.

[Saki]

so... instead of voting the wagon you're leaning scum on + 2 votes you start a new vanity wagon...

awesome... i'll go fuck myself now.

I don't recall calling Suzune scum. My vote was a pressure vote, but a wagon sprang off it.
My theory is that this wagon is that the Suzune wagon is a scum driven wagon.

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

scatterbrained play. not really alignment-indicative if genuine

It's incredibly confusing that you would give me implied townpoints for voting and suspecting Suzune

never did this

I can only infer you now are reading Suzune as town

never did that

as even if we were both scum, you could simply help me bus my buddy to test your theory

what is up with that gigantic jump in logic
i dont get how you got to this step

To borrow some of you phrasing, why not go for a more information-giving lynch? Especially considering allowing the Suzune wagon to grow increases information, something very useful to someone who has an iffy read on said wagonee.

Suzune has very little interaction with the playerbase due to being a replacement, apart from the people on her wagon
vs
someone who's been here and actively participated all game

plus, wagoning someone for information is putting the cart before the horse
if you're going for an information lynch but first you have to generate information, that's not right

I also don't like that you have an innate scumread on the miller claim

i never said this

I don't think Max is confirmed town by any means, but it's not something worth pursuing D1, so it feels like you're using that as an excuse to vote me, honestly. Call the miller scum and hide behind "well, I don't want to lynch a miller claim D1", or some such.

the miller claim has nothing to do with my vote on you

going along with ns' "oh, he misinterpreted me being a king instead of a knight" logic

that's not the case notscience is making vs you
and it's not the reason why I'm scumreading you

call large page-spanning arguments "town vs town"

I retracted that statement
I cleared it up a couple posts ago
I said it wasn't TvT but it sure wasn't SvS
not SvS != TvT
it's a useful tidbit of information if either one of them flips scum down the road

[Saki]

i appreciate the effort you're putting into scumhunting, greg, but i fail to see what is directing your hunt

[Saki]

re-read my ISO, looks like greg just misunderstood a lot of my posts
i can kinda follow his train of thought arriving at saki-scum
the intent behind it seems genuine, at least
bumping up greg to townreads

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CharlotteBebe

[CharlotteBebe]

i meant SvS, not TvS/TvT
there's no way that notsci/cb are scum together (it's really hard to have improv arguments) but either/or could be scum

what the fuuuck
why
spiffeh did he give any evidence in the neighborhood

(leaning town)
notscience (neighbors w/ spiffeh, doublevoter, not scum with CB)

i smell bullshit.

also i'd love to hear this case on us in more detail.

vote: saki

lets dance.

[CharlotteBebe]

also spiffeh crying about me not engaging him on itle and then ignoring me calling him out on it is pretty fucking weak.
i feel like i have too many loud scumreads right now.
:/

[CharlotteBebe]

oh no, oh no... i better not let ank down. now that he's voting me i'm very motivated to do something.

how can i help you be motivated?
why dont you look me in the eye anymore anti?

[CharlotteBebe]

I'm also not a fan of BC's PFoS push and I'm pretty sure notty is town.

OMG SPIFF IS SCUM WITH NOTTY BECAUSE HE CALLED ME SCUMMY FOR PUSHING THEM.
thats what you sounded like.
now if youre going to call me out on something, youd better not drop it and ignore me if i call it dumb or im going to start raising my eyebrow at you until it goes off my face.

actually, what.
tracking back on this, youre being kind of full of shit on this.

Seriously I still have no explanation as to why this is a "semantics argument" so itlepip would you be so kind?

this has been explained multiple times.
you were asking itle to go back and find something scummier and dancing around articulating your scumread on him. so yes. you were pushing a pointlessly semantic argument with him.

CB I miss our back and forth

our back and forth ended at you defending yourself and explaining why you thought pocket was town.

CB's chansaw defense of itlepip is looking worse and worse imo especially since he completely dropped his dialogue with me.

you saying this is misleading at best.

fight me.
are you being wrong or scum here?

Fixed quote tags

[CharlotteBebe]

@mod can you fix formatting on that im dumb.

[Maxous]

Saki seems very town to me.

/opinion

[Maxous]

CB is probably town too but I would be a bit more cautious about that read.

While I'm at it, ill say that NS and 3DR round up the rest of my town-reads currently.

[CharlotteBebe]

so basically everyone who's being loud except spiff?

[CharlotteBebe]

also if you can articulate anything about those other three townreads that arent me i would appreciate it.

[Maxous]

I guess?
Being proactive tends to often be town.
I'll try and put some of the reads into words later for you

(v/la)

[Saki]

i smell bullshit.

also i'd love to hear this case on us in more detail.
vote: saki

lets dance.

id also love something more than a shitty omgus vote
and the 'let us dance' thing is getting really fucking old and it just looks pathetic by now
please stop

[Spiffeh]

Gork bbygirl give me a chance

Too bad it'll have to wait til later!!

[Maxous]

@CB
What is wrong with saki's notscience read, I see nothing contradictory

[Saki]

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

my vote:

will you move your vote or engage in the game any further?
...
VOTE: Suzune

her reply:

Ah, I'm sorry I forgot. I have never replaced in as someone who had a vote before. Usually they are voteless so I did not consider.
UNVOTE:
I will place a new vote when I am sure of a new place. I apologize.

I am perfectly satisfied with her answer. Her

play

so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her

intent

shows no signs of a red role pm.
You don't lynch based on the former, while you do lynch based on the latter.
It's also the reason for my 180 on you earlier this page.

[Saki]

Her play so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her intent shows no signs of a red role pm.
You don't lynch based on the former, while you do lynch based on the latter.

On the other hand, you have CB.

bad

play

('-' indicates where i see possible scum

intent

):

over-the-top drunk wagon driving (extending RVS, excessive play)
misrep-tunneling mollie
then scumreading her for replacing out (please notify me of a single time where a replace-out was patently alignment-indicative)
- Why would CB do this over actually trying to get a read on notscience, the remaining head
the whole meta-argument ("i didn't really read your scumgame but you still really don't look town")
- Why would CB ask mollie for meta in the first place
mollie-ankamius interaction ("why do you think im scum" -> "here" -> "ok, anything else?" -> "no" -> "you haven't been listening to me!")
- Why would ank care more about mollie's scumread on his partner rather than his partner's take on mollie's alignment
anti-ankamius interaction ("i'm not townreading you so you must be scum")

also, in general, zero harmony within the hydra (won't discuss reads together, don't even look over each other's scumreads)
this is just pathetic considering that the reason you hydra is to compile reads
and the whole not-considering-each-others' scum-reads bit just screams "i don't care about who i lynch" and that's really not a good attitude to have in a game, whatever color your role pm might be

[CharlotteBebe]

and the 'let us dance' thing is getting really fucking old and it just looks pathetic by now

so what youre saying is that you want me to get pissed off and be more of an asshole?
let me know.

[CharlotteBebe]

how exactly was i extending rvs.
where did i misrep mollie ever.

("i didn't really read your scumgame but you still really don't look town")

if you exaggerate any point it sounds bad.
this is what youre doing here and its scummy as fuck.

Why would CB ask mollie for meta in the first place

because ive never played with scum mollie? why not?

Why would ank care more about mollie's scumread on his partner rather than his partner's take on mollie's alignment
anti-ankamius interaction ("i'm not townreading you so you must be scum")

what even.

zero harmony within the hydra (won't discuss reads together, don't even look over each other's scumreads)

me disagreeing with ank privately does not mean that we arent talking.
i disagree with some of his reads but im not going to actively stand in front of him on it in thread and instead talk about it with him where it wont be a distraction.

basically everything youre saying is garbage and the first bit of your case is actively ignoring details and making shit up and kind of scummy so please tell me how im wrong or i can feel justified in thinking youre a scumfuck.

[CharlotteBebe]

id also love something more than a shitty omgus vote

feel free to tell me how your points on notty arent full of shit. because theres no way hes at the top of your townlist based on what youve said about him so far.

[CharlotteBebe]

oh i get it, gilg also said lets dance.
sorry to be redundant at you.
id still appreciate you fighting me tho pls.