Touhou UPick 4 - [Aborted]

[pieguyn]

and wanted to wait to see what you did before I went any further with it

this, in addition to seeing your response to my post, is how I intended to "just try to read you".

wanting to form a better read on someone doesn't mean I won't post what I initially think when I do think it.

[Sakura Hana]

p-edit: walk me through why?

doing nothing.

[notscience]

/stir pot

I don't have an issue with Sakura's entrance.

[borkjerfkin]

bork: do you disagree that zmuffin's role is highly unlikely to come from scum, and what did you like about Sakura's posts?

Yes, I do disagree with that; I said exactly that.

re: Sakura: because her treatment of my 48 (in 50 and 61) comes across as ruffled that I'm dismissing her (which I'm not attempting to do) rather than worried that I don't believe she's for real, and I expect that moreso from town.

I think it turns out that she mistook my "at this point in time" clause too -- what I meant was "this is the apparent voting situation (the current voting situation [at this point in time])" (as if the power gamestate could change on subsequent days, even further murking the picture of "does X role make sense as town or scum")

I didn't mean it as a modifier to "fuzzy feelings [at this point in time]" as if it were impossible to have formed reads at this point in time; I just don't agree with this particular declaration that muffin's role is quantifiably more likely town than not from what we've seen.

Hopefully that's not too serpentine to follow but it's an important distinction

[borkjerfkin]

/stir pot

I don't have an issue with Sakura's entrance.

penny for your thoughts so far

[notscience]

I can't believe GIF didn't get clownpiece.

My thoughts, abridged for those on the go.

[borkjerfkin]

the hell is clownpiece

[pieguyn]

I think it turns out that she mistook my "at this point in time" clause too -- what I meant was "this is the apparent voting situation (the current voting situation [at this point in time])" (as if the power gamestate could change on subsequent days, even further murking the picture of "does X role make sense as town or scum")

does zmuffin clarifying the -4 is, in fact, permanent, affect this?

back when it was just the -4 I could have seen it as a scum role if it was either 1. temporary or if I squint 2. there's a lot of killing roles in the setup (scum that would essentially have to die via kill as opposed to lynch), but after the 4x vote/perma-gladiate which he'd be practically guaranteed to win due to said 4x vote I would think that would, in fact, be broken as a scum role even if there's a killing role or something that could pop up in later days that could fuck with it. I'm not sure I'm getting your point so walk me through it if I'm missing something.

[notscience]

Spoiler: clownpiece

[borkjerfkin]

does zmuffin clarifying the -4 is, in fact, permanent, affect this?

Without knowing what else is in the game? Not really. And if he's scum I'm assuming he's lying about *some* aspect of his role

I don't know why you're making this about muffin; this isn't really much about muffin

[borkjerfkin]

Like a normal game I'd probably apply occam's razor at least moderately to what I see at face value

this isn't that and I'm not fucking writing anybody off as anything on page 6 when I've seen 3 total spell cards (and 2 of which I have no fucking idea what they even do at that) out of the probably around 30-40 (maybe that's even low - as Kaguya I had like 6 night cards) in the game total?

[Shadoweh]

Hi everyone, I hope you're looking forward to lots of lurking from me because my roommate just shut off my home internet because he's a huge fucking asshole so that's gonna take some time to get fixed. In the meantime I stole some friendternet, his goodwill will wear off in about two days i reckon.

Also I don't think I've played mafia since the last Upick so I'm looking forward to having no idea how to play this game.

That said this is a great time for this to be happening for me since I can't vote today. (well I can, but I'd rather have spell cards tomorrow so.) Shadoweh has probably fallen asleep and it's rude to interrupt a beauty nap. I have a number between 1 and 7 powers and it seems like I'm not the only one. Btw muffin's power making him obvtown seems unlikely

FWIW I find pie's argument here scummy not just because Sakura seems obvtown but it also reminds me of the way pie got in the metal game thingy near the end. That's probably false equivalence but still. I am going to suggest pie calm the heck down and leave Sakura alone instead of threatening to replace out because she's looking at you, geez. Kilga, considering this is role madness what's wrong with playing the role game early when there's noting better to do? Right now I'm in a very Sakura is townie so stomp on anyone throwing shade that way kinda mood. Borfguy seems super town. There's another page since I started writing so i might as well post and read as i go.

[borkjerfkin]

Spoiler: clownpiece

oh that's a character

[notscience]

Hey sakura catch this shade

/me throws it

[borkjerfkin]

Hey sakura catch this shade

/me throws it

=/

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura seems obvtown

Wait what?

[Sakura Hana]

@bork: Never played Th 15?

[notscience]

She mispelled notty, move along.

pedit-
ninja

[borkjerfkin]

@bork: Never played Th 15?

I haven't played since whichever one UFO was and barely at that. SA broke my spirit

[borkjerfkin]

I guess UFO was 12

[Sakura Hana]

Th 15 is the hardest that's ever been created so...

[Shadoweh]

does zmuffin clarifying the -4 is, in fact, permanent, affect this?

No. The part where it's visible does make me suspect it's not the scum version of this I think needs to exist for this game to be fair, though.

Actually playing the games instead of watching pros play is for scrubs anyways.

[borkjerfkin]

I beat Flandre once that's probably as much of an accomplishment I'm ever gonna have in the series

[pieguyn]

FWIW I find pie's argument here scummy not just because Sakura seems obvtown but it also reminds me of the way pie got in the metal game thingy near the end. That's probably false equivalence but still. I am going to suggest pie calm the heck down and leave Sakura alone instead of threatening to replace out because she's looking at you, geez. Kilga, considering this is role madness what's wrong with playing the role game early when there's noting better to do? Right now I'm in a very Sakura is townie so stomp on anyone throwing shade that way kinda mood. Borfguy seems super town. There's another page since I started writing so i might as well post and read as i go.

this was mostly because in a recent game we played we had this huge shitfight over whether to lynch vs. leash the claimed SK and we had had various other shitfights leading up to it in that game based on each of us getting weirded out on the other, her faking a scum read on me for reactions, disagreeing on reads in general, etc. and I do not want a repeat of that; I need us to work this out ASAP rather than dragging it out and having it continue the whole game.

if it wasn't obvious, I accept Sakura claiming she'll be conftown tomorrow at face value, and ya her reaction was town outside of that.

Without knowing what else is in the game? Not really. And if he's scum I'm assuming he's lying about *some* aspect of his role

I don't know why you're making this about muffin; this isn't really much about muffin

"unlimited gladiator" is confirmable, though? I'm still not sure I'm seeing your point so I'll come back to this tomorrow when I have sleep.

I'm surprised you wouldn't be aware that I tend to want zmuffin to be town/want to otherwise catch him when he's scum, but outside of that, the same argument would apply regardless of who it is with the role.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: pieguy
Yeah scum having no factional kill makes night talk not that useful if the same ammount of ppl are gonna be alive next day.

If you start voting ppl based on how scummy their power sounds you're not gonna go very far, I promise you.