Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Flay Gunnar]

votecount 1.22

itlepip (5) - Spiffeh, MarioManiac4, 3dicerolling, Cold Pizza, Maxous
Spiffeh (3) - itlepip, Suzune, CharlotteBebe
Maxous (2) - Antihero, Vayne Aurelius
Saki (2) - notscience, Gilgamesh King Of Heroes
MarioManiac4 (1) - Titus
CharlotteBebe (1) - Saki

Not voting (0) -

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 12, 12:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-12 12:30:00).

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Mod Notes:

GuyInFreezer head of Cold Pizza is V/LA until Saturday.
Gilgamesh King of Heroes is V/LA until Saturday.

[Spiffeh]

OMG SPIFF IS SCUM WITH NOTTY BECAUSE HE CALLED ME SCUMMY FOR PUSHING THEM.
thats what you sounded like.
now if youre going to call me out on something, youd better not drop it and ignore me if i call it dumb or im going to start raising my eyebrow at you until it goes off my face.

The part I was calling bad was where you said that mollie's replace out was a "scum replace out" which is like a really awful thing to say and it looked like you were just saying anything that would cast notty in a negative light.

[3dicerolling]

@Itlepip - The death tunnel is two ways apparently

[Spiffeh]

you were asking itle to go back and find something scummier and dancing around articulating your scumread on him. so yes. you were pushing a pointlessly semantic argument with him.

No I think I made my reasons pretty clear at this point and like I said earlier this was me pointing out a contradiction and it was in no way a semantics argument.

[Spiffeh]

I will say that on my catch up I'm pretty sure the Ank head is town so I'm probably just gonna stop pursuing this but I still think gork is being overly defensive of itlepip for no reason.

[Spiffeh]

post 261

Sorry this one is the response by itlpip but it has the post I want inside of it. Also this one as well post 262. Since i cannot see a good reason to keep the vote you are implying that there is something else when that post is about maxious rather then the situation you are voting for. Seems like you are keeping light and airy votes rather then reading the people. Almost like you are trying to see how many people you can get to follow you.

I still really don't understand your train of thought here (I know this is awhile back) so I don't really know how I can respond. Yes I am indeed trying to see how many people I can get to follow me and I have never tried to hide that. I still think I have a perfectly good reason to keep my vote and I don't see why you'd think otherwise.

spiffeh did he give any evidence in the neighborhood

No our hood's been rather quiet as I think both of us have been a little disengaged from the game recently.

Btw after your (Saki's) catch up I see like absolutely no reason as to why your reads list was the way it was and why you decided to vote Gilgamesh.
Yay Gilgamesh for noticing this.

I don't recall calling Suzune scum. My vote was a pressure vote, but a wagon sprang off it.
My theory is that this wagon is that the Suzune wagon is a scum driven wagon.

I don't get how you pressure vote someone and then immediately call anyone else who votes for her scum?
Actually since you think itlepip is town (from your readslist), and he is the larger wagon, wouldn't you think it is more likely that one is scum driven?

Ok my eyes glazed the fuck over the CB vs. Saki exchange.

[Spiffeh]

Gork I think you're town reading itlepip because I am being obnoxious about wagoning him and I don't really see a reason as to why you think he is town and I only see you discrediting why I think he is scum.

So please tell me why you think he is town?

[Spiffeh]

I'm not planning to, I'm just having problems figuring out why I have the biggest wagon right now. Spiffeh I have gone over, die and maxous jsut sseems to be voting me for lurking. Mario has admitted to not having any reads at this point so I don't consider that an 'actual' vote on my slot until he explains his read, which he should do if he isn't planning to unvote.

For Maxous, you shouldn't just PoE between the biggest wagons, so the whole Saki is more towny than itle I don't actually take as a scumread. Personally I don't actually read Saki as scum, the whole red post thing was dumb, in nearly all games a single mafia faction is red, if I make a name red everyone knows that means a mafia read on that person. I think Saki's wagon is a little suspect as well, I think notty is fairly towny but both CB and Gil and have recent posts that had some logic that felt flimsy to me, so I think both of them are slight scumleans for me.

itlepip all these reads are very noncommittal and fluffy.

Why is Saki's wagon suspect?
Why do you think notty is town?
What posts made you feel that CB and Gil had flimsy logic?

[Spiffeh]

Then why the F are you hard pushing me. For someone that goes on and on about not responding to posts you haven't responded to any of my recent ones and I have at least addressed all of your posts or explained why they were BS. I'm not even positive that you are scum here, but you seemed just to pick someone to death-tunnel and you seem so stuck on that one read without giving any good explanation, that play doesn't make any sense from a town point of view unless you are an insane early-start cop that got a scum result on me.

Ok I have a favor to ask of you.

ISO me and ctrl-f your name. If you still can not find my reasons for scum reading you, let me know and I will point them out to you.

You have just been so overly concerned with my death-tunnel and I don't really understand why you aren't questioning others on your wagon? Do you think that your wagon has any scum on it?

[3dicerolling]

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

"The town team"?

Yeah this is pretty much the most awkward way you can say the town. Probably not that big of a deal, but newer scum do tend to be more awkward.

[notscience]

I'm a damn dirty liar and will be here after I go to the grocery store.

[Maxous]

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

-___-

why are you so fluffy.

[Suzune]

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

-___-

why are you so fluffy.

Fluffy?

[notscience]

VOTE: Mario

[notscience]

For a one-time-only deal, I will let either Anti or Gilly be town.

They can fight it out to decide who is.

[Maxous]

as in you're

saying things

but you're not really giving opinions on who the town/scum is etc.

p-edit: @suzune

though uhh, I COULD vote Mario again if he doesn't give us anything

[itlepip]

The only reason I found is the whole joke post thing, but you said that wasn't the reason so I have no clue.

Gork wanna wagon itlepip?

VOTE: itlepip

My vote on itlepip is entirely serious.

I even wrote up a case check it out!

mollie can you join my itlepip wagon?

Yes on itlepip

Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Someone's a little self conscious

No CB itlepip had yet to say anything game relevant whereas you had.

Okay, so what was your initial reason for starting the wagon?
You said "hey lets start a wagon on itlepip", then essentially copy pasted that same post about 10 more times in the thread, and that is all you have done after RVS. The only explanation for your read has been my reaction to your wagon, so unless you could somehow foresee my reaction to your wagon, deemed it scummy and started a wagon on me because of that you have provided no other explanation for why I am scum. So either give whatever scum read you had on me when you started the wagon that you withheld in order to say "join my wagon plsssssssss" or admit that you push random wagons.

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Here is my reason for wanting to start a wagon on you:

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about.

Just because I didn't state the reason right when I voted for you doesn't mean I chose you arbitrarily.

Did you miss that?

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

I don't actually mind random wagons early game, but when there is no actual accusation in it and then you misrepresent why you started the wagon, I first off don't have anything to defend so there is no real pressure and second have absolutely no idea how that helps town at all.

Also where did I ever misrepresent why I started the wagon?

[MarioManiac4]

OK.
I swear I'm going to reread the thread and I'm going to force myself to get reads.

[itlepip]

@Itlepip - The death tunnel is two ways apparently

I said that there is a chance that Spiffeh is town and I'm reacting too strongly to his mindless death tunnel.
Speaking of which, are you still voting me for lurking?

[MarioManiac4]

oh wow 8 pages already

But with Saki and Navizel and stuff I'm not gonna take any chances.

And I know exactly what will make Antihero's day even worse.

a varsoon innocent child.

MOD DANCE WITH ME

is that you gif
what did you mean by this

So apparently this guy couldn't read the bit that came right after this- a.k.a "Cold Pizza is Town."?
Will try to look at Suzune's post closer.
I disagree with the "town team" point, though.

[MarioManiac4]

Well that was the first time I have read a game that was significantly difficult to back read for a number of reasons. The first being that everyone decides to be goofy sometimes now this might be some kind of new mafia tactic I have not heard of but it was indeed weird to read. As far as people go so far, I have made the following observations:

CharlotteBebe has the cutest avatar ever, I just want to hug it. So adorable. Sorry, it was distracting me, that I have told you it should be better.

Mario has so few posts it is hard to get a read on them.

3Dice posts a lot of things but very rarely says what he feels about it with the exception of the scum painting post. This makes me rather curious about them because they are not allowing their opinions to be put forth so it is difficult to tell alignment because I cannot read anything as either pro town or pro scum

I get a pretty town feeling from Charlotte. They are analyzing posts and look to be taking opinions into account.

This is where I am at now.

Why do you state a nullread on me with the four reads you give?
Seems a bit weird to me.

[MarioManiac4]

So this is the best I can get, mostly from gut;

MarioManiac4
Cold Pizza
Spiffeh
Maxous
CharlotteBebe
notscience
Saki
3dicerolling
Titus
Antihero
Gilgamesh King of Heroes
itlepip
Suzune

So;
VOTE: Suzune

[Spiffeh]

Is that all you got Mario?

[Spiffeh]

Spoiler: Reasons I am scumreading itlepip

itlepop opts to make a joke instead of contribute to discussion in post 76 when enough stuff was going on to talk about. Then OMGUS votes me.

Wagon pls

Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Someone's a little self conscious

Maxous it's the fact that he discredits my vote on him by saying I'm pushing random wagons (which isn't true), and only really comments on that without giving insight to the rest of the game.

That is scummy.

And why are you acting like this isn't a method of discerning alignment?

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.

And once again I encourage you to go back and show me something scummier where my vote would have been justified.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

Yep that is the post that got me to ISO you and see your joke post. So now you're saying just because I didn't mention scum reading your joke post immediately after it happened I can't go back later and notice it? If you care to read the posts in between, it was pretty clear I was preoccupied and engaging with CB.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

I'm not voting for you for the joke post anymore. That should be very clear. I'm pretty sure I have admitted several times how weak it is. You can see why I'm voting for you in post 228. Once again you are saying you can't see how that's the scummiest thing in the game but you fail to provide other places where my vote would serve a better purpose. So how is that I'm the one making excuses here? I can't tell if you're actually confused or if you're intentionally misrepresenting my reasons for voting you.

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly itlepip is paying attention closely enough to see that my post wasn't meant for here but he can't answer my question or contribute elsewhere?

Seriously @CB/Gork head do you see how itlepip tried to avoid interacting with me by shoehorning your "semantics argument'" shit?

How is that not scummy af?

I'm not planning to, I'm just having problems figuring out why I have the biggest wagon right now. Spiffeh I have gone over, die and maxous jsut sseems to be voting me for lurking. Mario has admitted to not having any reads at this point so I don't consider that an 'actual' vote on my slot until he explains his read, which he should do if he isn't planning to unvote.

For Maxous, you shouldn't just PoE between the biggest wagons, so the whole Saki is more towny than itle I don't actually take as a scumread. Personally I don't actually read Saki as scum, the whole red post thing was dumb, in nearly all games a single mafia faction is red, if I make a name red everyone knows that means a mafia read on that person. I think Saki's wagon is a little suspect as well, I think notty is fairly towny but both CB and Gil and have recent posts that had some logic that felt flimsy to me, so I think both of them are slight scumleans for me.

itlepip all these reads are very noncommittal and fluffy.

Why is Saki's wagon suspect?
Why do you think notty is town?
What posts made you feel that CB and Gil had flimsy logic?

All of those posts contain reasons why I am scum reading itlepip. Anyone continuously relying on "you're not being clear enough" to discredit these reasons can cry me a river.

[Spiffeh]

@Titus thoughts on itlepip?