Touhou UPick 4 - [Aborted]

[Kilgamayan]

It's more that (a) I don't think Feysal is going to change their posting habits based on that vote, and (b) a Feysal vote implies you've seen nothing else voteworthy in the 270-odd posts since the game began.

I grant that I could very well be wrong about (a) - I still have little-to-no clue what the ethos is like here, so maybe lurkers do get jump-started by getting voted - but I'd be surprised if I was.

[Feysal]

Finished reading at last, and none too soon looks like.

I think I'm basically an innocent child because if I were scum, the game would literally already be over.

While this topic has already been extensively discussed by Bork and others, I have to say I hated this statement. MuffinMan seems to imagine himself indestructible here, which is of course incorrect, since he should expect other players to have abilities to counter his, and lack of factional kill does not equal no kills. This saw also cuts both ways, since if he truly were indestructible the game would be over either way, since he could single-handedly lynch everyone else and win the game for his team. I see no reason to town read him for this, and anyone who does is not thinking clearly.

Consider what would happen when the town gets smaller and MuffinMan remains alive. With nine players remaining he becomes unlynchable, since if he permanently requires four extra votes to lynch, eight players cannot do it, not with single votes anyway. With seven players remaining he could lynch anyone and everyone by himself. Does anyone think such an overpowered role could be in the game unless other players had the means to stop him?

Fortunately this is not something we need to worry about now. If he is town, there is no way scum can afford not to deal with him, so we can simply wait and see.

If there is anyone in the game I would town read based on role alone, it would be Kilgamayan. It would be too cruel to have a scum role that lynches itself with five players left, provided of course those three automatic votes are permanent.

About the fight between Pieguyn and Sakura Hana, while I have to admit that it gives me some satisfaction to see Pieguyn deal with the same sort of thing I had to in our last game, she did say she had no interest in pushing Sakura Hana, which she ignored. I have to wonder though what was the point of saying that? If you want to get a genuine reaction from someone, you should not tell them that. The rest of that post was pretty accusatory, but that line just takes the edge off. As for Sakura Hana, I don't expect scum would claim they would become confirmed tomorrow, so she is probably town.

I'm not sure I understand what MuffinMan has against Bork, although I have my doubts about him. I would like to see him talk about something other than MuffinMan. There was also that part about reading Pieguyn based on tone, and I would not presume to do that after last game, not even as a baseline.

I want everyone to claim how many

Day-use

cards they have. I don't care about night-cards.

Four.

UNVOTE:

More later, going to sleep now.

[Kilgamayan]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[borkjerfkin]

Shadowy you can't possibly have written either of those comments about me and truly meant them. <_< I don't believe for a second that Town You would actually take #253 seriously. I feel dirty voting for the same person Sakura is voting but the day is still young and it's insulting that you'd think getting angry at me in this fashion would actually accomplish anything.

I'm curious if/when your RVS vote on Shadoweh became a legit scumread

[borkjerfkin]

I'm not sure I understand what MuffinMan has against Bork, although I have my doubts about him.

Assuming I am correctly inferring that I am the 'him' in context: if you don't get/agree with muffin's angle on me, then you must have your own reasons for 'doubting (which means what exactly so we're clear) me'? What are they?

[borkjerfkin]

I could probably get behind a feysal vote.

I want him to get a chance to do things though.

This is exactly how I feel about you right now

[borkjerfkin]

There was also that part about reading Pieguyn based on tone, and I would not presume to do that after last game, not even as a baseline.

Also this is you projecting your experiences onto my approach. Why?

[Kagami]

It's more that (a) I don't think Feysal is going to change their posting habits based on that vote, and (b) a Feysal vote implies you've seen nothing else voteworthy in the 270-odd posts since the game began.

I grant that I could very well be wrong about (a) - I still have little-to-no clue what the ethos is like here, so maybe lurkers do get jump-started by getting voted - but I'd be surprised if I was.

I disagree on both counts.

Regarding (a), lurkers do get jump-started, because lynches here typically occur very near deadline on Day 1 and are decided among whichever wagons seem viable. A player who has a few votes on them around midday becomes very vulnerable to compromise/counterwagon votes as deadline looms, so people tend to try to keep wagon-momentum off themselves.

In any case, Feysal isn't a lurker. From my limited experience/meta-diving, she's a competent town player who generally has worthwhile insights to share, which we haven't yet seen here.

As for (b), not posting is more death-worthy than anything in thread thus far. I have a couple scumreads among those who have been posting, but I'd much rather lynch among those who aren't. I have absolutely no problem lynching at least one player in this list even with a null read.

[notscience]

I could probably get behind a feysal vote.

I want him to get a chance to do things though.

This is exactly how I feel about you right now

This has been formally acknowledged.

[Kilgamayan]

Borkborkbork: It was still mostly silly in #253 because in every game we play together I am obligated to either hate Shadowy's guts or immediately decide she's town and go all BFF. There wasn't anyone else I cared to vote at that juncture, so I had my fun and went on my merry way. It got serious when I woke up and found she had wigged out over stuff that I had made pretty obvious was not serious; the post you quoted was in reaction to that. (I didn't mention it at the time, but I'm also not sure what is meant by Shadowy saying "I'm increasingly displeased with Kilga for deciding to stick with a joke vote well past the expiration date once it started to look easy to keep it there"; surely this cannot be referring to Shadowy's wagon, as Sakura and Keyboardsmash jumped on after I went to bed?)

Kagami: Duly noted. Just one more thing for me to silently grind my teeth about, I guess. Not that I begrudge you holding onto that vote after how many words were used to produce so little content in #301.

[The_Relentless]

mmm I'd rather vote Chocola than Feysal and I'm not feeling the Shadoweh lynch. I agree with bork about notsci I wish he'd do things sooner.

pieguyn what do you think of Sky's newer posts? I was considering your case but I thought he looked better after that

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm i forgot chocola existed...
@Feysal: Disagreeing with the muffin townread is fine, discrediting is something else...

he could single-handedly lynch everyone else and win the game for his team.

This is true if he's scum, but false if he's town, if he just mislynches town at LyLo then town still loses even if he technically could try and lynch scum.
There's also the thing whether his quadvoter abilities have LyLo clause, worst case scenario he just becomes unlynchable, but he can still lose the game for town if the lynch goes wrong.

[The_Relentless]

I'll lynch any lurker though. I'm not getting enough out of the people who are posting. maybe that's just because I'm struggling to care. but I'm annoyed with Chocola going "hey I'll wait until I get home" *does nothing*" and wanna see how he'd feel about a wagon

Shadoweh you should, like, pick somebody and vote them. bork and notsci too. you guys've been reading the thread. I just wanna see serious votes on the votecount, please indulge me

[The_Relentless]

@Katsuki: where r u

@Gaiden: where r u, it's been a while but I remember you being spammier in UPick 3 (where you were town) but you've fallen off the radar here

[Kilgamayan]

Shadowy already claimed she can't vote today if she wants spellcards tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

I've been busy this weekend and even then i've still managed to do something... you're right that more ppl need to contribute.

[The_Relentless]

oh oops I forgot about the voteless thing. also Kilga, how strong would you say your scumread on Shadoweh is?

VOTE: notscience

would like to see him commit to something, anything. #92's trying too hard to be nonchalant, #127 doesn't actually stir the pot at all, #288 is bizarre because the rationale for voting Feysal involves them not doing things. Why not just vote them so they have more reason to do things? rest of his ISO is spam but what little content there doesn't fit so I don't appreciate the coasting.

@Chocola: I'm not voting you anymore because I like this better but are you gonna play this game? if you're being held back by IRL shit then say so now and not later so town doesn't have to overthink this plzzzz

[notscience]

Make me

[zMuffinMan]

charming

[The_Relentless]

I'm not feeling the Shadoweh lynch.

to elaborate, there's only one point against her that I've really bought into and I hadn't read it at the time I wrote this post. I don't buy "town Shadoweh wouldn't have taken #253 seriously" as a case since I also couldn't tell Kilga was joking, I thought he was making a really nitpicky day 1 case and found it suspicious while reading before he clarified. you could argue my brain was just being silly while I was reading, but Shadoweh turning sour when she thinks people suspect her for bad reasons is par for the course it's hardly unlikely she'd do the same

@Muffin: do you actually think Shadoweh is scummy or do you just disagree with her logic + have her on PoE?

Make me

the only person who can make you is yourself but I can make you dead if you don't (one way or another) sooooo better get cracking

[notscience]

Trust me, buddyboy

You don't want to try and threaten me

:3

[The_Relentless]

OK I will not give you any warnings in the future.

[The_Relentless]

why didn't you vote feysal btw? what do you think of feysal now that they've actually posted something like you said?

[notscience]

Who can explain it, who can tell me why?

[Sky_Paladin]

I have had family unexpectedly crash over at my place during the weekend and they will be here for another day or two. I will have to do a big catch up post then. In the short term:
Don't like Pie/Notty. Pie's stated reason for their vote was stated as bias and feeling Sky is unable to join in as scum; this despite our previous game together where I was scum and completely fooled Pie right up until I flipped red. Does not fly. Other than engagement with Sakura no real content that I can recall but I will review this along with Pies request to clarify why I think Sakura/Pie was fabricated, later.
Kilga: I don't postulate Sakura/Pie scum pair necessarily. I feel like the Congo appeared over nothing, then disappeared, with some semantics/pettiness. It could be neighbours seeking to disassociate but for what purpose? Scum pair seems the best fit but we have an apparent confirmed town in the mix so ???
I don't like nortty because he chimed in just to crap on me for saying I despise appeals to emotion. What was the point of this except to discourage conversation/misdirect? Well maybe crumb a hit on me I guess :3 but my feeling is, don't east my time.
Fey's catch up post looks like a rehash of my previous post and I'm not really satisfied that they have brought anything to the table.
Relentless/Chocolate: this is bugging me from RVS and here we go again. What's the deal with Chocolate?

Autocorrect on my iPhone sigh

Comments aside
Kilga seems flakier than usual. I can't recall scum!kilga though. Shadoweh also not bringing anything to the table.

So my scum reads ATM are some combination of Pie/Notty/Shadowe/Kilga/Fey/chocolate and ill leave it there for now.

Perot
I'm on phone pls just let m post