NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Espeonage]

Vote: Grib

Espo.
Talk to me.

What's going on with this?

It's above it.

Not buying the mario wagon so counter is still up for grabs until the dav wagon took off which I haven't looked at yet.

[Espeonage]

What is the scum motivation for saying I was going to post a VCA? Tell me.

To look productive but your not actually being productive?
I don't know, I am forcing one here and this isn't directed at me

Why wouldn't I just make a VCA then to make it seem like I was? The entire case around the VCA thing makes no sense.

dwlee is actually right here.

[Espeonage]

Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davsto

I don't like his vote, and I want to see how these wagons pan out against each other.

Why did no one join me?

My vote stands.

[Shiro]

Nah he's just changing his mind.

Changing his mind from what? He was never voting Mario to begin with in order to change him mind to go back to dwee

[Shiro]

So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

I think he is saying that you both look town for it.

Cookies...I has then. Vote Dave please.

My resistance has been shattered

VOTE:DAV

:9

What : D

[Firebringer]

So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

How about you push and look for someone else and not tunnel?
You are going to waste the day focusing on Titus I can already tell and I want you to cut that shit out now.

[Dwlee99]

Defensivrneness isnt alignment indicative. Do you want me to not instantly lynch the obvious scum that is pistach1o?

[Frozen Angel]

Defensivrneness isnt alignment indicative. Do you want me to not instantly lynch the obvious scum that is pistach1o?

why he is "obvious scum" ?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Pistachi0n
Comes in, bandwagons onto me because I look like an easy target and then practically admits to not even reading the thread because if they did they would know what the VCA was about instead of saying things like "VCA before flips. How?" to make me look bad and like they are actually contributing.
Titus, join me? I have my mom's homemade brownies for ya'!

it won't make him "obvious scum"

[Dwlee99]

Did you read his response? He didnt defend against all of it just claimed they hadnt bandwagoned me. Now where are they?

[Elyse]

VOTE: Titus

She immediately starts pushing on me whenever she's town.

I'm taking the absence of such as a declaration of her being scum.

I mean, she mostly pushes on me when she's scum, I think.

Haven't played with that enough.

But it's become common enough that I'm odded out, plus I just generally find a lot of her affect flat in this game.

Your second post pretty much negates your first...so what are your reasons for scumreading Titus? I want actual reasons, not bullshit like "I expect her to push me!!!"

AJ: please respond to 205 when you get the chance.

I am going to do VCA when I get back.

Is this still going to happen?

At any rate, they both have things I like and dislike about them.

Such as...

You had some posts that came off as buddying, you're telling people to vote for MarioManiac but haven't really given any reasons besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, and you seem a little self-conscious of how you're perceived. You're pressuring Frozen Angel a lot, maybe vote for her? Why leave her alone if you think she's BS'ing?

I liked that you were an early vote on his wagon and have stuck with it, though. That at least establishes in my mind that you two probably aren't knowingly aligned.

I kinda both liked and didn't like Dwlee's OMGUS. He posts too much fluff. Demands explanations for people feeling weird about him, even though he hasn't explained much of what he's thinking about the game. Feels like he's annoyed at being focused on. But I really liked the parallels he tried to draw between this game and his past scumgames, just feels like a thought process that would come from town. Still, the minimal content is bothering me.

fake edit: oh, a Dwlee vote. Hm.

Well considering Mario didn't have any other content besides his semi-serious RVS vote and disappearance, what should I have done? Made things up?

I didn't vote FA because I liked my Mario vote more. I dislike how you said I should've voted FA, but also that you liked how I stayed on Mario.

Dave is an interesting case

Umm... thanks?

Shiro may or may not be town: while the obvious sheeping seems like something scum would want to avoid, it would have been weirder for her not to have done it, considering that it's exactly what she did under basically the same circumstances in Pun Mafia.

Dwlee seems kinda scummy (the "I basically agree with everything Elyse said" comment bugged me at the time but I didn't say anything), but it just seems too easy. I know it's always a cop-out answer to give, but it is.

RC? Now RC is bugging me. His reason for voting Titus - along the lines of "you haven't said I'm scum and voted me yet you always do" - basically sets it up so that if Titus

does

decide that RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote (also, RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote), it'll look bad on Titus when she starts pushing, as RC can just go "oh, so now I find it odd you're not scumreading me, you've started scumreading me? Hmm..." A sort of Morton's Fork. This bugs me.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I like this post a lot. I'm not liking RC at all this game.

I think Dwlee99 is a better lynch than MarioManiac
VOTE: Dwlee99

Nah he's just changing his mind.

Nah he's just changing his mind.

Changing his mind from what? He was never voting Mario to begin with in order to change him mind to go back to dwee

Yeah basically this. I was liking Titus until this post.

So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

Titus has engaged you plenty. I don't know what more you want.

VOTE: Pistachi0n
Comes in, bandwagons onto me because I look like an easy target and then practically admits to not even reading the thread because if they did they would know what the VCA was about instead of saying things like "VCA before flips. How?" to make me look bad and like they are actually contributing.
Titus, join me? I have my mom's homemade brownies for ya'!

Decent vote.

I do have a question Dwlee. What reaction do you expect scum to have from your reaction test? I don't see the point of it.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

His ISO is shit. It's fluffposting combined with a vote on Fire he never brings up a gone, followed by a shitty vote on Titus. His "case" is entirely based on how he thinks Titus is supposed to act and he tunnels on her and doesn't comment on anyone or anything else.

[RadiantCowbells]

How about you push and look for someone else and not tunnel?
You are going to waste the day focusing on Titus I can already tell and I want you to cut that shit out now.

Why is it a waste of time?

I'm far more confident that Titus is scum than anyone else in this game.

What reason do I have to choose to push on a much less interesting wagon when I'm both pretty confident that Titus is scum and she's proportionately less likely to be lynched by others?

Your second post pretty much negates your first...so what are your reasons for scumreading Titus? I want actual reasons, not bullshit like "I expect her to push me!!!"

Her posts are all super short and evasive, she gives reasoning on very little, she's avoiding engaging with the vast majority of the town, etc.

Textbook scum yo.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

His ISO is shit. It's fluffposting combined with a vote on Fire he never brings up a gone, followed by a shitty vote on Titus. His "case" is entirely based on how he thinks Titus is supposed to act and he tunnels on her and doesn't comment on anyone or anything else.

ok.

[Elyse]

Her posts are short but not evasive. She's been explaining everything asked of her, and I haven't noticed any issues with engaging with anyone. YOU need to engage with more people, however.

[Titus]

You can comment without pushing RC. I am not liking you, but I am trying to force you to comment on someone not me. It benefits me regardless of your alignment for you to do so.

Dave should still totally be wagoned. You agree RC?

[MarioManiac4]

So I just want to note Elyse's case on RC is jammed with RC-tells.

[Titus]

Dwelee, I am the baker here. Like the reach out but disagree with your case.

[Dwlee99]

I dont know, elyse. Grib's "is this going to happen" reads as town to me, though. And what about my case do you agree with, titus? They come in and make a vote based on incorrect information and then attempts to cast doubt on my slot based off more incorrect information and never responds to me when I corrected them. A rational townie when corrected would adjust their reads. Instead they ignore me then when I make a case about them they pick out only one poiny and say "I didnt bandwagon" and now has disappeared. Vote them with me ;-;

[Shiro]

Dwkee whenever I am about to trust you and move you up from null to town I remember justified and how good and town you can be as scum.

Help me D:

[Dwlee99]

Look at my case. You know I am right.

[Grib]

Elyse: well, I said I both liked and didn't like some things about you, so. Shrug.

I'm not convinced by your reasons for voting RadiantCowbells. There are worse ISOs in this game, the Firebringer vote was probably a joke, and his vote on Titus makes more sense coming from town, I think.

I don't like his vote

I hate when people go "I don't like X" but don't, you know, give a reason why. Do you have a reason why?

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town. Her vote on Titus would be weird from a scum perspective -- Titus tunnels, and to invite a Titus tunnel is something I'd expect scum to avoid. And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).

Hm.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Davsto

I don't like his vote, and I want to see how these wagons pan out against each other.

Why did no one join me?

My vote stands.

Because you lack conviction.

[Grib]

Ugh, I derped on pronouns. Ignore.

[Davsto]

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

[Titus]

@Dwelee, Seems like you two are disagreeing on what happened rather than anything alignment indicative. A townie responds. Dave has ignored my push on him entirely.

Join me.

@Dave, I am wagoning you, why you ignore me?

[Davsto]

@Dave, I am wagoning you, why you ignore me?

On the priority scale:
Scumhunting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titus' slightly odd reason-less wagon on me

[Titus]

It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.