Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Firebringer]

Town won, nobody can tell me differently.

Host is a troll.

[ika]

so for anyone wondering this is scums wincon:

You win when your faction composes 50% of the living players at day start,

or

nothing can prevent this from happening.

This was never revealed, nor does it matter because it says "nothing can prevent". Once day starts, she is auto lynched. And town wins.

GG

i boled the important part

[Ankamius]

Enjoy being wrong, then.

[Firebringer]

Enjoy being wrong, then.

I am not, but thanks.

You can enjoy thinking you lost if you like.

[3dicerolling]

Titus could have 1 vote 2 votes, 0 votes, or 100 votes. We still lost.

[Firebringer]

Titus could have 1 vote 2 votes, 0 votes, or 100 votes. We still lost.

If she had a vote we would have lost since it would be a draw.

But since she had none, she auto gets lynched last day.

[Gorkington]

i dont really understand what would have happened in three person lylo with titus.
i understand why we lost this situation.
but if we had gotten down to three then that would have been wonky imo.

[itlepip]

ggs

[ika]

your not refuting the wincon though fire. so yes you are.

like this isnt sc2mafia where we have vauge weird shit. its antoher site with another meta and another thing entirly. you continue to act in your sc2 realm though and this is the backlash you will continue to get

[Firebringer]

I am sc2, and I will continue being.

I don't adapt. People around me adapt or they can attempt to kick me out.

[3dicerolling]

How about instead of debating whether town

should have

won, we debate

why

the town should've won and didn't.

How we could've won the game:

We were in the optimal position. The only problem is we have me, a ninja vig (THANKS for that pie) who is unconfirmed, so what's the solution to this situation?

You rolecop the vig.

Seems reasonable enough. If he isn't vig, he'll show up as sk, and if he has investigation immunity he will show up as Vanilla. But instead, the role cop decides to investigate the claimed ascetic.

Let's say for the instance, firebringer role cops me and reveals me as town. We would then proceed to lynch spiffeh. He would flip town, mm4 would block firebringer, which

didn't

happen because our roleblocker fell asleep at the wheel. But for theory purposes, let's say mm4 roleblocks firebringer. Since the kill still goes through, the only 2 choices are then titus and cb. Cb was obviously town, so that leaves titus. We lynch titus,

town wins

.

Disclaimer:

I am not stating I or any other player played a perfect game. In fact the game was less than perfect on both sides; however, this was the most notable way the town could have won the game.

[3dicerolling]

Honestly, I don't think spiffeh scum makes sense with the setup either. Ascetic with a doctor means the only person suzune could protect is antihero, which isn't very powerful at all.

Reflexive roleblocker instead?

Or Reflexive jailkeeper?

On a non-role based note, how did this come unchallenged? Like I literally felt as if people took everything titus said as absolute truth.

[Gorkington]

i expect titus to be stubborn about things i dont agree with when shes town.

[Firebringer]

3dice....you self voted yourself.
Thats just poor play regardless of your alignment no matter what.

[Gorkington]

You rolecop the vig

theres also mario forgetting to roleblock anyone. fire could have been cleared.
:/

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Firebringer, with how you played most of your LYLO, you don't really have room to complain about losing.

When your plan in LYLO is to refuse to case your crossvoter (Spiffeh ending up being town aside) and generally reacting to being called scum in a very newbish manner, you're not exactly aiding the town wincon.

I may have been hard tunneling on Titus as I spectated, but in most situations I would have also assumed she was town. So I don't fault you for that, and I am grateful you replaced in and helped out... But playing sub-optimally and then chewing out the mod and refusing to take your loss is immature at best.

pedit, oh yeah, the roleblocker forgetting to submit didn't help... Lots of us really dropped the ball here.

[ika]

i have already txted pie about lockign this thread so the drama can end. she said she would do it when she gets home

[Firebringer]

I am not stating I or any other player played a perfect game. In fact the game was less than perfect on both sides; however, this was the most notable way the town could have won the game.

very rarely does either side play the best.

so I don't know why you even bother with this post. Yes, I made mistakes, especially with not submitting a night action last night.

You made mistakes, the scum made mistakes.

This game at its best is a Draw if you want to consider how everyone played.


The game itself is troll, and made me realize I should take Sakura/pieguyn games less serious in future.

[Ankamius]

I made a post in another game on the site about how to read Titus and I can't remember which game it was in. I can't remember exactly what it was either, but it was something about looking for the holes in her logic and fitting that to an alignment since her scumgame is very deliberate.

[Gorkington]

i liked the game.

[Gorkington]

im sorry for not listening to you on your titus read ank <3

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, with how you played most of your LYLO, you don't really have room to complain about losing.

When your plan in LYLO is to refuse to case your crossvoter (Spiffeh ending up being town aside) and generally reacting to being called scum in a very newbish manner, you're not exactly aiding the town wincon.

I can't stop laughing at this.

Not because of the points, but just the person saying it.
Its really really funny.

In honestly, I am glad didn't invest more into looking into Spiffeh, it was just biased. I said he didn't look that scummy and my opinion was warped with a premise he had to be scum.

[3dicerolling]

3dice....you self voted yourself.
Thats just poor play regardless of your alignment no matter what.

I voted myself partially because I was so frustrated at the town completely ignoring all the ridiculous statements Titus made and only focusing on the possibility of me being town. ALSO, SK has no reason to self vote, so the vote in itself proved that I was town, but go ahead and believe what you wish.

P:edit - I made the mistakes to point out the flaws in the town's gameplay and point out a right path we could've made. It's not specifically meant to degrade either you or mm4, but because I want you to recognize your mistakes and move on. And so you have.

[Gorkington]

i thought you were town.
i think my biggest fuckup was not shoving people back on that lynch on you.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah 3dice was a terrible lynch I'm glad I wasn't part of it