You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Elyse]

elyse, join us on the fruit train

I am slightly scumreading grapes for no follow-up like Aneninen

I'm interested to see grapes' response to the pressure though.

@Elyse: And exactly how do you think scum push a slip accusation?

What do you mean? How would scum push a slip against their own team member?

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

I agree with this. Townreading Spifflop.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

PEdit: EE reads as new town eager to play the game and a little over his head.

~Spiffy

Hey man, I just need to adjust. This is a LOT of people. O_o

elyse, join us on the fruit train

I am slightly scumreading grapes for no follow-up like Aneninen

I'm interested to see grapes' response to the pressure though.

Me too. You should put some pressure on him. Or aninen. Or me. You know, your top scum read. Unless you've got your vote on me just because you're angry at me?

[Errantparabola]

Itlepip, what do you think about my interpretation on your eagle is lying case

[itlepip]

Itlepip, what do you think about my interpretation on your eagle is lying case

Waiting for him to respond...

[Aunt Jemina]

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.
~Titus

Again your actions do not match your words, as you do not vote Celty in this post.

Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier

VOTE: Aunt Jemina
This is the other head.

This was the aforementioned vote. It is from the other head, so you can try to argue hydra miscommunication/dissonance all you like, but in your own words: it does not seem like RVS to me. However, what's truly condemning is this, where you say it's not an RVS vote:

It's early enough, I can give you time and

Jeanne wants to pursue AJ for awhile

, but I got my eye on you.

Pursuing is not RVS.

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.
We asked why EE doesn't like the thread.

Jeanne pressed on AJ.

Pressing is not RVS, and furthermore, the implication at this point is that you have communicated with Jeanne, thus, know Jeanne's opinion on me. Yet later, when you're called out on it...you change your story to it being RVS.

If my vote wasn't on Celty, it would be on you, deary.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

itlepip, I might be reading this wrong, but your case seems to be a misunderstanding.

I think the gambit Eagle speaks of first is the whole "not voting" gambit
The gambit Eagle speaks of as being too risky is the whole "getting involved in everything point that Garmr made" gambit

Correct me if I'm wrong, Eagle

somebody show me why I'm being accused of lying?

Is he saying that I'm saying that I would never pull off a gambit?
Because I'm not saying that. I'm saying I wouldn't pull a gambit again as scum.

[itlepip]

What gambit are you talking about right now?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

What gambit are you talking about right now?

i don't specifically remember what it was. It was awhile ago, and on another site.

MOD EDIT- QUOTES FIXED

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Damn, didn't see the game started.

I'll get on this tomorrow. I'm going to bed now.

-Vedith

The town head

[itlepip]

What gambit are you talking about right now?[/quotei don't specifically remember what it was. It was awhile ago, and on another site.

Okay, I'm trying to lead you without leading you, this is hard.
1). Have you been accused of any gambits this game?
2). Have you done any gambits this game?

[Aunt Jemina]

151 looks like a scum wall

I

see

it, however, I am not convinced. As the wall continues, I saw further thought which looked potentially sweet.

AuntJennina, your 128 is <3 vote included

<3 (Nenny is sweet.)

In other news, Exxy (Extrapolated Eagle) is definitely sweet. (Thus, the dual Nenny/Exxy wagons are both bad and at some later point will be examined for finding scum.)

Both heads of Spiffyloppy are also strongly sweet.

VOTE: spifflop

While horrible, I do not see scum making a vote this bad. At least not nakedly. So grappy is slightly sweet, too.

Interesting that you point out the buddying towards AJ, yet your vote doesn't go towards any player buddying her. And you vote itle for post 203? That's weaker than weak sauce.
Your play feels very careful and contrived. Awaiting spiffehs meta on you, but in the meantime

vote: Extrapolated Eagle

Pot, kettle, black. (Inny is a minor scumread.)

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@Titus I'm really too tired and don't have too much to do the full reads list in human speak right now, but when I post the new set of reads tomorrow I'll put them in humanspeak

PEdit:
1. Yes
2. Yes

[Dapper Stranger]

Stranger's posts have a "look everyone! I'm busy!" quality to them. I also don't think the Jaquen head would approach a scum read in that manner.

A man isn't busy but is finding Battlefront of much and more interest than this. That is having nothing to do with scum reading this one. Gwen is scum and anyone touching a wagon that one is helping to champion is pushing a mislynch.

[itlepip]

kk UNVOTE: all I needed. When you were saying that you didn't do the gambit I thought you were referring to the first gambit not the second non-gambit. I think you can understand why I was confused.

VOTE: Grapes

Pedit: ohh it is this guy, great...

a man thinks that a man's style of posting might make a man mad at a man so a man wants a man to stop saying a man when referring to a man or a man.

[Aunt Jemina]

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, I Am Innocent, itlepip, Elyse

Aneninen

(3): Passionate Storm, T S O, Alchemist21

In approximate order, most sweet to most sour, we've got Alchy, Pippy, Gammy, Elly, TSO, Inny, and Stormy.

That I would happily lynch the latter three (and none of these names are particularly sweet) should inform you of why these are not good wagons.

I will go there as soon as I get confirmation from my more well dressed partner!

I would prefer you not lose focus of Celty.

Grappy cannot be scum if Celty isn't; vice-versa is not true.
Grappy is unlikely to be sour anyway, thus, voting there is unproductive.

Grappy raised a point which is valid, albeit not in the way stated: many players pointed out Celty's suspicious actions, and only about half of them followed through with a vote. This is an indicator of scum, in the names calling it suspicious who abstained from the wagon.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Stranger's posts have a "look everyone! I'm busy!" quality to them. I also don't think the Jaquen head would approach a scum read in that manner.

A man isn't busy but is finding Battlefront of much and more interest than this. That is having nothing to do with scum reading this one. Gwen is scum and anyone touching a wagon that one is helping to champion is pushing a mislynch.

I'm starting to think a man might be scum because any towny would definitely be interested in all that's going on. Because they don't have everything already figured out.

kk UNVOTE: all I needed. When you were saying that you didn't do the gambit I thought you were referring to the first gambit not the second non-gambit. I think you can understand why I was confused.

VOTE: Grapes

Pedit: ohh it is this guy, great...

a man thinks that a man's style of posting might make a man mad at a man so a man wants a man to stop saying a man when referring to a man or a man.

Oh. Ok, that makes sense.

PEdit: I'm liking you more and more

I noticed Elyse is right on the border of "happily lynch"

How do you feel about her right now?

[I Am Innocent]

EP what are your some of your thoughts outside of EE?

~Spiffy

I can definitely follow and agree with what most of what Gwen is saying outside of the Titus read and the Garmr trying to interact with Gwen being town points.
So for that, Gwen is town.

Don't understand the townreads on AJ.

209 don't understand if this is legitimate misunderstanding or just a deflection. I'm leaning towards the latter.
That being said I don't think 172 seems rehearsed and although I am slightly uncomfortable with how spifflop says it is (172 seemed like a post that someone who wanted to push a mislynch would say is rehearsed), the lop part is acting pretty towny.

I do not like 203. VOTE: itlepip
Disregarding whether or not 172 is genuine

Interesting that you point out the buddying towards AJ, yet your vote doesn't go towards any player buddying her. And you vote itle for post 203? That's weaker than weak sauce.

Your play feels very careful and contrived. Awaiting spiffehs meta on you, but in the meantime

vote: Extrapolated Eagle

Jason, EP was suppose to be Errantparabola, not Extrapolated Eagle. Just to be sure

unvote
vote: Errantparabola

(I'll make sure to use full names next time, sorry)

[Passionate Storm]

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

My gut is getting indigestion Fire.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

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Since it's 3 am will elaborate on a few things. English is my first language but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skim
a.

To read or glance through (a book, for example) quickly

or superficially.
I'm using it as in the term quickly I looked through it quickly your pushing as I looked through superficially. Is there really even a point in arguing this because even after a a reread i still like my points which I noticed straight away. They still stand. It's scummy to to try and devalue ones case by something other than the case its self.

Fine. I take it you're saying you read the thread through and still like your points? Then I'll respond to them.

I don't understand how you came about this 360 when a couple of posts ago you were saying this

This is what I mean when I say you don't read.

I'm just going to put this out there: (I haven't had a chance to reread the thread yet) but at this moment in time I disagree with a majority of your reads. We'll have to discuss this in detail tomorrow.

Yes, I'd like to sit back and observe. But we don't always get what we want, do we? And I like starting things off.

I was tired and these were gut reaction reads. They were quick and I hadn't had time to take a step back from the thread. That's when my reads are best.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does.

Reasoning you disagree with is not necessarily bad reasoning

I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

.. so you would prefer I don't try to justify my vote and ignore the numerous accusations against me? I don't have an infinite amount of time. Also, as I have said multiple times (though not necessarily before this post) this was a gambit and I need time to go back and think about the results before I push further. It would be stupid to tunnel him before backing off and checking on everyone else and making sure I'm going the right way with it. In my experience gambits can go horribly wrong and "scum reads" can be for the wrong reasons and end up being town.

His other content is meh.

Quote which content, pls.

Scum want to be involved in everything so they look like they are doing something tell me what has eagle actually contributed to hunting scum. His vote epola was bullshit yet his been involved with all these other events I would think a townie who was involved in everything would push more on a scum read showing eagerness. This seems like scum eagerness to look town.

Actually, if I was scum, I would AVOID putting my neck on the line to get some reads at game start. It just doesn't seem smart to start the game attracting a whole lot of attention that I really don't like when I play scum.

4.I read your singular reason for the scum read

This actually sounds like quite a few reasons to me. Perhaps you miscounted here?

I don't think it's any good. Post 100 right is the full explanation of your read. So you scum read him in short for tunneling you and not having much attention to whats around him until he finished tunneling you and started paying attention to them right thus not giving you as much attention even through his votes on you. Kinda sounds like a bs reason to me and a delayed omgus so people wouldn't mention that. Now you unvote when he unvotes you and you are being pushed by someone else.......

You don't have to like my reasoning. That's your problem. But I do have to say it's pretty early in the day, and I have to say I don't like your reasoning for voting me either. .

-- @ Passionate storm

Ok I'll see when I can get to it. But between work, eating, responding to garmr, and trying to stay on top of elyse I'm kind of short on time at the moment

It shouldn't take you too long to naturally put your reads in basic text form with no formatting or funny names to make it clear.

[I Am Innocent]

Can you link that game cause right now I'm leaning scum there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63747

Look at his early play and it's obvious it's hard for him to find a footing (which I correctly called out but foolishly dropped the issue after he wrote a wall).
He seems a lot more comfortable and willing to engage here.

~Spiffy

Thanks I will check this out.

[Garmr]

Oh fires here yah town block pals.

[Passionate Storm]

Hey guys, I need to read up on whats going on.

HEY ALCHEMIST!!!
Whats up bro?

And Garmr, damn I need to pay more attention in sign ups, so many awesome people in this game and I didn't notice at all lol.
Fail

-FIre

I'm doing good. You?

And from your 259 and 260 I'd say you're Town.

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

Why did you change?

That should be obvious. I have an actual scumread on Anen.

Actual scumread as opposed to?

[Elyse]

@AJ
Why are you townreading Alchemist? I've found his few posts scummy.

And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS.

[Passionate Storm]

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.

If you're a terrible gambiter, why would you deliberately try a gambit to draw votes to me and suppose it would succeed?

[I Am Innocent]

@AneN

Nah Shiro is town and I have no idea who clotilde is

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already

Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

Non game related, please keep up the character schtick, I have laughed at nearly all your posts so far