You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I don't know how I missed this earlier.

Ehh...I kinda have to turn sideways to see it. Maybe.

New tac:
@Eagle: Do you make 1/1 associations often?

I love making associations, yes. Not quite sure what you mean by 1/1 in terms of mafia, though

[Shiro]

Shiro and Varsoon do something useful and vote for grapes.

I am game

Vote:Grapes

And I don't believe I am saying this but damn slow down each time I wake up there are 9 pages to read. I am still all the way back to 14

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@dapper, how do you feel about sharing reads?

[Varsoon]

Why baby doll?

Can you at least vote Klingon?

*bats eyelashes*

You'll find I'm full of surprises.
But I'll never join you.

[Spifflop]

eagerly anticipating grapes return

[Spider Gwen]

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Why do you like it? I find it to be scummy.

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that. I mean, I see how it could be scum my, but I liked it because it kind of defended Klingon to get him to talk more, And because it begged people to think about things without distracting too much from what was already going on. And now I like it because even though no one responded in the way I think he thought they would, it created a wagon. And I'm pretty sure I'm going to get reads out of that wagon.

In short, it created content. Thoughtful content, in a way.

The effect that it had has nothing to do with whether the post is scummy or not or whether grapes is scummy or not. That was a no content post where Grapes was staying on the sidelines. He doesn't take a definitive stance. So he's not sticking his neck out for anything. It's him testing the waters. Not him begging people to think. Your entire approach is backwards.

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Spifflop, you're my top townread. Just wanted to let you know.
Elyse is a ways behind you but still towny.

Hippy, this is not a town post.

[Spifflop]

Spidey, I agree completely.

Me and spiffy were discussing eagles random townread of us.

What should we do?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Alright, my reads will be better/more accurate, I think, after my questions get answered, but here's where I'm at:
Inte might be scum. No one brings up his absence or responds to his two posts in rvs, which look like they're trying to look town without admitting that he's not all that invested.
Elyse is probably scum- doesn't push, likes to try to keep things smoothed over and stay nice, nobody is interested in her, and she didn't really retaliate past voting me. She voted me and ignores it afterwards. Has scum reads but doesn't really press. Accuses a much less active pigeon of the same thing.
Shiro might be scum: keeps up with the thread kinda sorta, seems to just be playing around with bassoon. People seem to ignore her for the most part. I didn't like 297
Alchemist might be scum: simply notes things, makes everyone aware he's keeping up. Talk about lynching but people get sidetracked and few follow through.
Garmr might be scum. Tunnels me as "pushing town read" which I'm good with. Not a fan of the fact that he dropped the tunnel, hasn't moved on to anyone else, and is just kind of being ignored now.
Dapper Stranger or Aunt Jemima might be scum. Really shaky in these two. The former doesn't seem to care much what's going on and no one notices him. The latter seems to be doing some mixture of buddying and ignoring me. Not really pushing her reads, too much.

These reads were based on a theory of mine. Scum try not to recognize or interact too much day one. Especially with a large game where they can hide. Elyse is confident, though, so she's different. Also I think they're in different places and they don't like to vote together. If I had to call out a scum team out right now the people I mentioned above would be it. I'm not quite sure the number of scum, so I added the last two on as just in case.

This was assisted by the creation of this document:

The red lines are aggressiveness. The blue ones are smoothing things over.

I don't think Klingon is too likely to be scum. Too many votes on her, too many people interested. Same for passionate storm and grapes and pigeon. Itlepip seems to be figuring things out. Tso has gotten a bit of talk for few posts. Likely not scum, imo. Spider Gwen also too much crossfire, too in the middle of things.


I am innocent is strange, and strangely ignored. He might belong on the first list, but he's null for now. epidemiology is also everywhere and harder to read when it comes to this. Null for now.

The others haven't posted anything or post like once or twice, but my gizzard says shut up and don't worry about them for now.

I'll go more in depth tomorrow night and try both styles of reading together if I get the chance. There will be more to read into then. But for now, I have to say goodnight because I've gotta be at work in a couple hours and I need my beauty sleep

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Alright, my reads will be better/more accurate, I think, after my questions get answered, but here's where I'm at:
Inte might be scum. No one brings up his absence or responds to his two posts in rvs, which look like they're trying to look town without admitting that he's not all that invested.
Elyse is probably scum- doesn't push, likes to try to keep things smoothed over and stay nice, nobody is interested in her, and she didn't really retaliate past voting me. She voted me and ignores it afterwards. Has scum reads but doesn't really press. Accuses a much less active pigeon of the same thing.
Shiro might be scum: keeps up with the thread kinda sorta, seems to just be playing around with bassoon. People seem to ignore her for the most part. I didn't like 297
Alchemist might be scum: simply notes things, makes everyone aware he's keeping up. Talk about lynching but people get sidetracked and few follow through.
Garmr might be scum. Tunnels me as "pushing town read" which I'm good with. Not a fan of the fact that he dropped the tunnel, hasn't moved on to anyone else, and is just kind of being ignored now.
Dapper Stranger or Aunt Jemima might be scum. Really shaky in these two. The former doesn't seem to care much what's going on and no one notices him. The latter seems to be doing some mixture of buddying and ignoring me. Not really pushing her reads, too much.

These reads were based on a theory of mine. Scum try not to recognize or interact too much day one. Especially with a large game where they can hide. Elyse is confident, though, so she's different. Also I think they're in different places and they don't like to vote together. If I had to call out a scum team out right now the people I mentioned above would be it. I'm not quite sure the number of scum, so I added the last two on as just in case.

This was assisted by the creation of this document:

The red lines are aggressiveness. The blue ones are smoothing things over.

I don't think Klingon is too likely to be scum. Too many votes on her, too many people interested. Same for passionate storm and grapes and pigeon. Itlepip seems to be figuring things out. Tso has gotten a bit of talk for few posts. Likely not scum, imo. Spider Gwen also too much crossfire, too in the middle of things.


I am innocent is strange, and strangely ignored. He might belong on the first list, but he's null for now. epidemiology is also everywhere and harder to read when it comes to this. Null for now.

The others haven't posted anything or post like once or twice, but my gizzard says shut up and don't worry about them for now.

I'll go more in depth tomorrow night and try both styles of reading together if I get the chance. There will be more to read into then. But for now, I have to say goodnight because I've gotta be at work in a couple hours and I need my beauty sleep

[Spifflop]

Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

5 votes isn't much in a game this size. Normally I would agree with you, but I don't think this is a particularly bad wagon. I believe its a wagon that is appealing to town.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

The effect that it had has nothing to do with whether the post is scummy or not or whether grapes is scummy or not. That was a no content post where Grapes was staying on the sidelines. He doesn't take a definitive stance. So he's not sticking his neck out for anything. It's him testing the waters. Not him begging people to think. Your entire approach is backwards.

I liked watching his wagon. I can see where you guys were coming from. I think he's town though, partially because of my most recent post.

Yeah. My approach is backwards. But I like it that way. It's harder to defend against.[/quote]

Spidey, I agree completely.

Me and spiffy were discussing eagles random townread of us.

What should we do?

When did I town read you?

Or are you talking about errant?

[Spifflop]

Apologies. It is late, and I saw your post and typed out your name

yes, I meant errant. I do however appreciate his support of the FRUIT WAGON and hes not at the top of our radar, spideygwenny

[Extrapolated Eagle]

This was assisted by the creation of this document:

The red lines are aggressiveness. The blue ones are smoothing things over.

Wanted to add that I only drew a line for what I deemed significant occurrences between players and that I only drew the occurrence once. For example if person a voted person b twice, I'd only draw one red line. If he buddies person b once and voted person b once, I would draw one of each. The multiple lines of the same color between people is me trying to make the lines thicker

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Apologies. It is late, and I saw your post and typed out your name

yes, I meant errant. I do however appreciate his support of the FRUIT WAGON and hes not at the top of our radar, spideygwenny

Too many e's. I assume this is hiplop?

Ok I'm actually tired, and going to bed now.

[Spifflop]

yes though I'm not sure why it matters in this particular moment

Spidey come back!!!

[Shiro]

My gizzard is screaming at me right now. Shut up, gizzard. Let me think for a moment. You might have a point, but let me contemplate it.
@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Shiro is less giffy than I hoped for, and I didn't know varsoon was in this game

"Mr spock send me some high.... Quality gifs for this Kind gentleman here... See how he likes our... Collection."

Why baby doll?

Can you at least vote Klingon?

*bats eyelashes*

You'll find I'm full of surprises.
But I'll never join you.

I had to

@Eagle you are in for a surprise if you find my fooling around scummy xD

[Aneninen]

10 more pages? Ohsheiße.

[Aneninen]

Who is Clotilde?

Do you want to be Clotilde?

P-edit: Search for it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62686

First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

I bet you remember NeuroScience... you were so cute when I was after you and you were flailing all the time. What a pity that I dropped the case and lost the game to you later. Nevertheless, I want to see that again.

wish granted?

Not known yet. She doesn't seem to want to be Clotilde, which is not a good sign.

Unvoting him after you modified your read from town to null?

Is this a problem?

Unusual at best.

@errant
I've played with Anen before. Amidst all the pigeon weirdness he usually has some decent observations and votes. I'm seeing a difference in this game. I also dislike his willingness to provide self-meta of when he got lynched for similar reasons. He's aware of his own meta and could imitate it as scum and be all "look I acted this way when I was town see"

Wow-wow-wow, are you searching for a card in your hand pondering about what you deal next... Let's hope together it won't be the Regardless of Card, shall we?
Also, Elyse, since Kill all Townies I haven't had any game I played well in. (Yeah, I know I was outplayed in KaT but at least I tried everything I could... and it almost worked.) You can check it if you wish. My recent meta, therefore, is full of dumbplays and some tries that didn't work. In other words, I'm aware of it, of course, because I want to "pull together" something useful as a gameplay.

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

See above!

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

So... someone actually found that. ^_^

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

Where is Klingonette by the way?
(Also, I seem to have a parallel activity scumread on her.)

[Aneninen]

Going on later.

[Shiro]

@Anen you are confusing me.

So clotilde was a princess that turned Christian turned her husband Cristian and then became a saint.

Now that I am armed with knowledge of past I....Still don't get it.

[Garmr]

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Since it's 3 am will elaborate on a few things. English is my first language but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skim
a.

To read or glance through (a book, for example) quickly

or superficially.
I'm using it as in the term quickly I looked through it quickly your pushing as I looked through superficially. Is there really even a point in arguing this because even after a a reread i still like my points which I noticed straight away. They still stand. It's scummy to to try and devalue ones case by something other than the case its self.

Fine. I take it you're saying you read the thread through and still like your points? Then I'll respond to them.

about time.

I don't understand how you came about this 360 when a couple of posts ago you were saying this

This is what I mean when I say you don't read.

I'm just going to put this out there: (I haven't had a chance to reread the thread yet) but at this moment in time I disagree with a majority of your reads. We'll have to discuss this in detail tomorrow.

Yes, I'd like to sit back and observe. But we don't always get what we want, do we? And I like starting things off.

I was tired and these were gut reaction reads. They were quick and I hadn't had time to take a step back from the thread. That's when my reads are best.

I thought you were actually going to respond to what I said not go off in a different fucking direction. You were pushing deeply I was scum in your tone then did a 360. Irionic you complain about glancing ect when you haven't even got the brain capacity (or pretending not to.) to comprehend something so fucking simple.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does.

Reasoning you disagree with is not necessarily bad reasoning

I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

.. so you would prefer I don't try to justify my vote and ignore the numerous accusations against me? I don't have an infinite amount of time. Also, as I have said multiple times (though not necessarily before this post) this was a gambit and I need time to go back and think about the results before I push further. It would be stupid to tunnel him before backing off and checking on everyone else and making sure I'm going the right way with it. In my experience gambits can go horribly wrong and "scum reads" can be for the wrong reasons and end up being town.

Are you fucking retarded omg how many times do AI have to go through this with you. It's not that you defended yourself that is scummy no no that's ok it's you defended yourself and didn't push forward at the same time. You seemed capable of addressing others on different subject but not capable of fucking doing that.

His other content is meh.

Quote which content, pls.

All your other content at that point was meh and didn't contribute.

Scum want to be involved in everything so they look like they are doing something tell me what has eagle actually contributed to hunting scum. His vote epola was bullshit yet his been involved with all these other events I would think a townie who was involved in everything would push more on a scum read showing eagerness. This seems like scum eagerness to look town.

Actually, if I was scum, I would AVOID putting my neck on the line to get some reads at game start. It just doesn't seem smart to start the game attracting a whole lot of attention that I really don't like when I play scum.

Of course you say that while your scum. Other people have acknowledged that scum do tend to like that to make themselves look better. Maybe you did it because you felt like no one would look into it you didn't think a townie like me would pressure you on it. Maybe the reasoning you did that was because you don't normally do that as scum and you are self aware as scum. Tell me what reason does a townie have to post empty fucking post followed by shitty reasoning on a obscure wagon.

4.I read your singular reason for the scum read

This actually sounds like quite a few reasons to me. Perhaps you miscounted here?

was using words like singular reasoning for emphasis what I should of said was I read your single post with all your reasoning and thought it was throw away garbage.

I don't think it's any good. Post 100 right is the full explanation of your read. So you scum read him in short for tunneling you and not having much attention to whats around him until he finished tunneling you and started paying attention to them right thus not giving you as much attention even through his votes on you. Kinda sounds like a bs reason to me and a delayed omgus so people wouldn't mention that. Now you unvote when he unvotes you and you are being pushed by someone else.......

You don't have to like my reasoning. That's your problem. But I do have to say it's pretty early in the day, and I have to say I don't like your reasoning for voting me either. .

There's a difference between not liking one reasoning because you think it has scum motivation and not liking ones reasoning because you disagree with it.

[Garmr]

Garmr might be scum. Tunnels me as "pushing town read" which I'm good with. Not a fan of the fact that he dropped the tunnel, hasn't moved on to anyone else, and is just kind of being ignored now.

I haven't dropped my scum read on you I said I couldn't quote while I was at work then I fell asleep when I got home because I was exsausted It's only been a couple hours in real life not even a day wtf.

[Garmr]

Also like to point out eagle switches to a scum read when it's fucking convenient for him and since he was criticized for doing the 360 (technically now he has done a 360 I should of said 180 before) this slot should be lynched over grapes. Tbh grapes isn't even that that bad of a slot.

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Grapes even brings up a valid point there is such a strong scum read on kling for just one post. People are swearing she's scum. I don't see how anyone can get that strong of read from one post alone. I think aj mentioned this as well (another person who I have a good feeling about.)

Through his content is lacking it's not really what I would call scummy. Some of it shines town like post 224 which I just mentioned and 187 strike me as genuine.

[Garmr]

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

[Aneninen]

<3 (Nenny is sweet.)
In other news, Exxy (Extrapolated Eagle) is definitely sweet.
(Thus, the dual Nenny/Exxy wagons are both bad and at some later point will be examined for finding scum.)
Both heads of Spiffyloppy are also strongly sweet.

Why are we so sweet?

@AJ
Why are you townreading Alchemist? I've found his few posts scummy.

And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS.

To tell the truth, I had started developing a scumread on Elyse, because of her long posts (which sounded like the scumElyse I'd met), but this one is very town.
(1) If she were scum she'd be happy about Alchemist's vote on me and they could chase me together.
(2) She's right, Klingonette needs to post more and it looks like a perfect vote-parking place. Even if my vote is there, but yeah, I hope I'll find a better place for it.

(At this point I unvoted but when I saw Klingonette's later posts I thought my vote could stay there.)

Who said anything about a vote park? I'm voting Celty because I want her lynched.

Erm, that doesn't match your list posted in 364, and I don't think Klingonette could be a good "cornerstone" of scumhunting right now.
(In general, reading your posts is like talking on *Orzese*.)

Pedit: yay... at what point to we policy him for speaking in recognizable english?

At least three players are posting in a very weird style, eg. see above!

@Klingon, if everyone (or most everyone) backed off right now, how soon could you read the thread and share reads?

I don't think she'll get lynched without posting a readlist. This post came very early, according to the vote amount on her. I remember doing something similar as scum in another game...

You should be lynched for this comment. You don't back off from people in hopes they give content, you threaten them with the noose until they comply.

So, I wasn't the only one who had the same feeling.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

Erm... a man nods. (Am I doing this right?)

So clotilde was a princess that turned Christian turned her husband Cristian and then became a saint.

Not a historical Clotilde.
So, who wants to be Clotilde? Shiro? Klingonette? Elyse? Maybe SpideyGwenny, Eagle or Jeminah?