You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Shiro]

Not a historical Clotilde.
So, who wants to be Clotilde? Shiro? Klingonette? Elyse? Maybe SpideyGwenny, Eagle or Jeminah?

http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Clotilde_Barford ??????

I dunno help me here Anen DX

[itlepip]

Why is no one talking about EE making a post where he fencesits on about 8 people??!

[Garmr]

eagle needs death but people are blind and think big post = actual content when in truth that isn't the case.

[Dapper Stranger]

@dapper, how do you feel about sharing reads?

A man is always completely forthcoming in the past, but much and more is thinking this may not be wise. When every read is public, it is giving weaknesses scum are capitalizing on.

A man is explaining how this is just so. If a man is saying persons A, B, C, and D are scum and is wrong on B and D then it is providing common ground for persons A and C to share with the other two. Persons B and D, knowing they are falsely accused, are then susceptible to unwittingly playing for scum and a man's correct conclusions are thrown out as well.

No, one at a time unless a man is nearing death.

A man is intrigued with this one's Web of Suspicion, and would suggest keeping track of who is initiating each action will be much and more helpful. If a man is having a copper to spare, he is wagering the blue lines will be of more importance.

[Aneninen]

http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Clotilde_Barford ??????
I dunno help me here Anen DX

Stop guessing. If you're town you have nothing to be afraid of.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

[Aneninen]

A man is explaining how this is just so. If a man is saying persons A, B, C, and D are scum and is wrong on B and D then it is providing common ground for persons A and C to share with the other two. Persons B and D, knowing they are falsely accused, are then susceptible to unwittingly playing for scum and a man's correct conclusions are thrown out as well.

A man understands another man's logic. But man should not forget that the example given above can provide more information if the reads are revealed.

[Garmr]

@dapper, how do you feel about sharing reads?

A man is always completely forthcoming in the past, but much and more is thinking this may not be wise. When every read is public, it is giving weaknesses scum are capitalizing on.

A man is explaining how this is just so. If a man is saying persons A, B, C, and D are scum and is wrong on B and D then it is providing common ground for persons A and C to share with the other two. Persons B and D, knowing they are falsely accused, are then susceptible to unwittingly playing for scum and a man's correct conclusions are thrown out as well.

No, one at a time unless a man is nearing death.

A man is intrigued with this one's Web of Suspicion, and would suggest keeping track of who is initiating each action will be much and more helpful. If a man is having a copper to spare, he is wagering the blue lines will be of more importance.

Will a man lynch a eagle. Clip it's evil wings and join me on my crusade to hunt evil scum.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

My gizzard is screaming at me right now. Shut up, gizzard. Let me think for a moment. You might have a point, but let me contemplate it.
@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Shiro is less giffy than I hoped for, and I didn't know varsoon was in this game

"Mr spock send me some high.... Quality gifs for this Kind gentleman here... See how he likes our... Collection."

Why baby doll?

Can you at least vote Klingon?

*bats eyelashes*

You'll find I'm full of surprises.
But I'll never join you.

I had to

@Eagle you are in for a surprise if you find my fooling around scummy xD

Just fooling around with a new theory, nothing to see here.

I'll let you know if any of these become solid enough to be lynchable with the exception of Elyse. For right now these are just feelers in the water. I think I might have messed up anyways, but if this reads list does better than my other one, then I'll start using it more. It's certainly much easier for me to do.

@Klingon, if everyone (or most everyone) backed off right now, how soon could you read the thread and share reads?

I don't think she'll get lynched without posting a readlist. This post came very early, according to the vote amount on her. I remember doing something similar as scum in another game...

You should be lynched for this comment. You don't back off from people in hopes they give content, you threaten them with the noose until they comply.

So, I wasn't the only one who had the same feeling.

You don't make enemies of your town reads, at least not in my experience. But I wasn't asking anyone to back off. My theory was she's town because of all the votes on her. Association theory says it's likely, my brain didn't like her answer though. That's too much time if they're just going to be pop in three reads and hiding again.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@garmr your whole post is stuff you've said before and makes it obvious you're not reading what I'm posting in response to you....


So you're on the ignore list until you can calm down and read. My brain and my theory both say it's likely you're scum, though, because this sounds like convenient tunneling to me, when the argument is repeated bs and the author isn't reading and until it gets brought up that he's dropped his aggression for some reason it gets brought up against. It does provide a good way for you to ignore other players, though, like ythan did in my last game, and ignore list doesn't mean I'm ignoring your scumminess, just your stupidity.
That said, my theory says it's slightly unlikely that you flip scum with Elyse (I noticed my mistake when I woke up for some reason), so if you know she's your scum buddy you can keep acting like an idiot for a while because she's next and then whoever theory says is more likely, I think. Unless I've discarded theory by then.

[Shiro]

Stop guessing. If you're town you have nothing to be afraid of.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

Then uhm sure, I am game

[Garmr]

@garmr your whole post is stuff you've said before and makes it obvious you're not reading what I'm posting in response to you....


So you're on the ignore list until you can calm down and read. My brain and my theory both say it's likely you're scum, though, because this sounds like convenient tunneling to me, when the argument is repeated bs and the author isn't reading and until it gets brought up that he's dropped his aggression for some reason it gets brought up against. It does provide a good way for you to ignore other players, though, like ythan did in my last game, and ignore list doesn't mean I'm ignoring your scumminess, just your stupidity.
That said, my theory says it's slightly unlikely that you flip scum with Elyse (I noticed my mistake when I woke up for some reason), so if you know she's your scum buddy you can keep acting like an idiot for a while because she's next and then whoever theory says is more likely, I think. Unless I've discarded theory by then.

Don't turn this around on me. You haven't even touched on my points you keep avoiding them. You just keep strawmanning the shit out my post. I'm making a stance your going to be gone by today I'm going to make sure of it even if half the game is you or me arguing I want people to smarten up and lynch obvious scum.

these are my points.

1-I don't like the fact you just defended yourself instead of trying push for a lynch on Errantparabola. You stated one case for errant but didn't try to build on it latter on. Errant was doing other things as well. You have tried addressing this recently but you never gave me a answer I liked. But I acknowledge you did try and anwser this one atleast.

2- You seemed to be involved in everything early game but had no firm stance on anything. You haven't really addressed why you did this instead you tried to say a scum you wouldn't do this becuase scum you doesn't want to much attention on you. But that's the point your empty comments about things is just try and divert attention away from you by making it look like your doing something.

3-Your whole point on using the meaning of words to try and devalue my case. I know what I did and instead of addressing the point for the longest time you just argued this point this is fucking scummy.

4-You're way of reading me make it seem like you want to make me devote you. First you throw mild suspicion on me, then you give me a town read out of no where and then when I don't back off you throw a scum read on me this seems like scum trying to use reads to get heat off their tail. Also that bs excuse that I stopped pushing you lol. I was at work bud i could only phone post quick thoughts.


new ones
5-

That said, my theory says it's slightly unlikely that you flip scum with Elyse (I noticed my mistake when I woke up for some reason), so if you know she's your scum buddy you can keep acting like an idiot for a while because she's next and then whoever theory says is more likely, I think. Unless I've discarded theory by then.

This is a very fucking weird thing to say. It's like your trying to find a way to link me to elyse even through everything says the opposite to you.

6- you called me scum numerous times yet you haven't laid a vote on me I think you are actually pushing me more than elyse and I'm curious why your votes on elyse and not me.

[Dapper Stranger]

I think Eagle's push/non-vote is out of site-newbieness (reminds me of myself). Don't really want to hang him for that.

-Fresh

[Garmr]

I think Eagle's push/non-vote is out of site-newbieness (reminds me of myself). Don't really want to hang him for that.

-Fresh

what do you think of my recent points.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Garmt, every one of your points I've responded to or is really freaking dumb.

1. The reads early game were to push people around and get them out of their comfort zone so I could read them better when I had sleep and time to distance myself from the thread. That includes reads, my reads are freaking crap if I haven't had time to take a step back. I believe thhat on multiple occasions I had made it clear that I til I posted my next days reads list none of those could be taken seriously.
2.see one. Not saying this again.
3.NOT AT ALL, bucko. Glancing at and skimming are NOT under any circumstance reading thoroughly and understanding as you have proven time and time again.
4.see 1 and my most recent pistsm READ them this time don't glance or skim
5. I literally said its likely you aren't a team. So HoW on earth is this linking you?
6.

Read.
The.
Game.
Please.

I don't think you can make this up. I have pushed Elyse harder than anyone else this game.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

garmr, this is most of the stuff against Elyse. Quote me where I pushed you at freaking all.

Also, quote me where "eagle's other stuff is meh"
You dan say something like that and then not back it up

Spoiler:

E

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EADS

"

When a storm is coming, all other birds seek shelter. The eagle alone avoids the storm by flying above it.

"

-Unknown

Eagle wakes and leaves his nest, soaring the skies as he often liked to do as if to say to the sun, "I can get higher than you." It wasn't true of, course but aime days Eagle just felt the need to fly above

something

, anything.

Eagle's afterthought: pigeon, it appears I was wrong what I said about eagles and storms yesterday, but it made for good flavor. I honestly didn't find out until I was looking for eagle quotes this morning

EAGLE looked out over the world and saw all- the creatures calling his name, and those that did not. Many had questions for the eagle, for he had done something that had scared and confused them.

"Peace, friends. All will be answered now. I am here. I have had time to think and sleep. But you must wait until the end of this post for answers to questions, first I shall tell you what I think of you so you may all go back to gossipin.
"There is an intruder in my forest," the eagle continued, "in your forest. In our forest. You have discovered this already. I suspected it. Which is why I did what I did. Was it the best course of action? Perhaps. Perhaps not. It was the first time I had tried such a thing. I think, for now, it was helpful. I shall come back and look at it better when this whole predicament is over, and I know who the intruders are, and how they reacted.
"And it will be over. You can rest assured that we will find and kill the intruders. So for now, I share my thoughts on who they are."

First,

Varsoon, the Knight

Spoiler:

The Eagle looked at the man, burly, yet quivering in his once fine suit of armor.
"I cannot tell about you, yet sir, whether that quiver is really or fake. How the spider knew you were going to come before you came, I know not. Perhaps she knows you from elsewhere, her eggsac

was

in a castle. I enjoy how humbly you came into our forest, how respectful you were. How you seemed to try to stir things up the moment you heard there were intruders. And your frustration when it seemed to come to nothing. But it was early in the day, perhaps a bit too early. But for now, friend, I think you belong here.

null/

town

But when you get a chance, dear sir, could you share your thoughts on the others here? You likely know them better then I.

Next,

SpiderGwen, the Spider

Spoiler:

"Either you or the clouds in the distance do not belong here. You did do exactly what I expected the intruder to do, but not when I expected them to do it. You grew your nest after the clouds had changed direction, but perhaps that does not matter? You do seem to stay close to me, which I greatly appreciate, so for now I shan't tear down your web. For as my mother told me,

"You should never turn against your friends in times of trouble, unless you are certain they mean you malice. For if you have no friends in times of trouble, you have no friends at all."

"You are kind of crazy, and maybe a little stubborn, but you're strong, and I like you. You certainly didn't seem to expect the clouds, and you attacked them when it appeared they were intruders here. You seem to have locked your targets and even your friendliness towards me seems to be something an intruder would not do, for you have put yourself on a limb for me, and I am grateful for that. There is not much time that has passed since we have been invaded, but you seem to be on our side.

slight town

But be warned, my lady, for if the storm belongs, then you do not.

Passionate Storm, the Storm

Spoiler:

"I see you, maiden of destruction, brewing in the West. How fickle and careless you seem. You lock onto what you say doesn't belong, but change it for something you don't care about. You thunder about me and why I am dangerous, yet, if I understand you correctly, I am not even your most suspicious of creatures, yet little is said about them. How little you care about who lives and dies, yet how controlled your stormy side is. You seem to be putting on a show, and I fear how the show ends.

slight scum

You and the spider do not belong together. Nor do you and the notebook.

Eagle's sidenote: I honestly wasn't thinking of your hydra, and I only read enough of your wiki to get a feel for you. When you noted that it was your hydra name, it rung a bell and I figured I would go along with it, but I didn't actually go that in depth, too many people. I also have no idea what insuyasha is.

ErrantParabola, the Scholar's Notebook

Spoiler:

"You are an interesting fellow, sir. Your pages seem to be filled with the frustrated scribblings of one who believed himself misunderstood. Which makes me think perhaps you do not mean malice on the forest. Perhaps I am wrong, but perhaps not. How you handled the end of our conversation yesterday seems interesting, going from a town to null read could be anything from an intruder trying to see how accusatory he can be towards others to a resident being careful who he calls friend. I am wary of you, Mr Book. But for now,

slight town

I do not like how the rain from the storm seems to fondle rather than ruin your pages, however, perhaps you can share what you think of this matter?

Aneninen, the Pigeon

Spoiler:

"Of you, my fellow feathered creature, I find myself quite fond. You seem a bit confused as to why we are being invaded, and this makes me think you aren't an invader. Those who I think to have intruded seem to dislike and accuse you, and this adds up to me thinking that us birds of a feather should fly together. I have enjoyed our conversations up until this point and I see not why we should not cease this.

slight town

You speak quite vaguely, though, could you explain who this Chlotilde is?

Elyse, the Girl

Spoiler:

"I believe, dear girl, that you do not belong here. You did EXACTLY what I expected from scum and stated so. That I would attract attention provocatively, someone would jump on me for it, and then a scum, seeing me, knowing I'm town, would vote for the one who voted for me. You spent an entire case building a case on me, cool, calm, collected, not caught up in all the confusion, and then instead of voting for me, you voted for the one voting for me. With no case built at all against the poor bear. On top of this, you attack my friend the Pigeon.

slight scum

VOTE: Elyse

Garmr, the Bear

Spoiler:

"Yes, I know you try to appear as a wolf, but you behave like a dreary mother bear, coming out of hibernation to find her cub missing. So for now, you are the bear. I am not quite sure what to make of you. You either believe words to mean things that they don't, or you make up new meanings for words. The case you have built against me is, in parts, legitimate. But most of those parts were intentional. Other parts of your case might have been legitimately what you see, but are not true. For example this:

. After a quick glance

A skim means a quick readin this case I skimmed every post................

I did read your posts Like i said I read every post and these are my first thoughts off my head aka a skim.

"A quick glance" and "skimming" are the same thing. Neither of them mean reading fully, which is what you seem to say they mean in the last post. Yes, I believe this argument is relevant, unless English is not your first language, and in that case, the argument is a bit ridiculous, and I will drop it immediately. You seem to tunnel me pretty hard and be proud of it, though, and I think that perhaps you misread/misunderstood/didn't believe in my gambit, all of which would make sense coming from a town player, fmpov.

So

slight town

But I can assure you I have done nothing against your cub. So please start trying to pull down someone else's tree, I don't want to have to move my nest again.

grapes, the Grapes

Spoiler:

"I like you. Many creatures say you are tasty, but, no offense, I prefer to eat creatures. But you seem to have very similar reads to mine and you seem to be quite intelligent, for a fruit. You don't seem turned by the chaos of the other animals, and you don't seem to be aware of what is going on, though you look to be figuring it out"

slight town

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

It's interesting, is it not? I think maybe it does mean something. Though I town read the people on that wagon right now.
I am curious to hear about your vote for spifflop, though.

... Wow there are a lot of people. I need a break from this, so I'm going to leave you with this and come back in a bit. (Hopefully before lunch, maybe not until after work).

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

@EE

huh?

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely

How so? Please quote where.

and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had.

I see. So I wasn't scum in your eyes, yet, but you had lots to say, But on your scum read you're speechless?

I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I don't know, white knighting is very much motivation. Also for someone who's really upset about a "superficial" read, voting aneninen for his "tone" is quite interesting.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

You should. That would also make two reads you agree with me on. Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?

Mobilpost.

Not to brag or anything, but all of my posts have been mobile. Yeah. That last post was a craps ton of work.

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

@EE

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had. I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

I bet you remember NeuroScience... you were so cute when I was after you and you were flailing all the time. What a pity that I dropped the case and lost the game to you later. Nevertheless, I want to see that again.

wish granted?

Elyse I really look forward to you responding to me. I'm excited to see what all this not being here at all will warrant and the great in depth reads that look at the motivations behind the players that you post.

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely

How so? Please quote where.

Here:

I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood. I was talking about BEFORE you voted him.

No, you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting me. You said that I built a case on you piece by piece and then just voted for Garmr at the end without justifying it. What I'm saying is that any "case" you think I built was simply my catchup post regarding your actions. Yes, I scumread you, but you weren't at the top of my list.

So let me get this straight, you were scum reading me, but later you weren't willing to vote me, and you were scum reading me without a case against me?
And apart from this your vote on garmr with no explanation or observations at the time was just something I should ignore?

White knighting is townreading someone under pressure as scum to look better when they flip. Do you think I'm doing that to you?

Umm, you're the one that said it. I don't like how you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth and then trying to use them against me.

I also like how you don't deny your reads are superficial and instead try to attack me. I've already explained that Anen's post lack the intention of finding scum. They are a cluster of meaningless observations and questions with no follow-up. In other words, I am looking at the motivations of his posts.

How is this looking for motivation? Explain the scum motivation behind his posts, pretty please.

Feeling paranoid about voting someone does not mean I suddenly townread them, thank you very much. Whenever a lurker comes out of nowhere and joins a wagon I'm on with shit reasoning, it makes me think that maybe the wagon is on town and a scum lurker is taking advantage.

so it doesn't make you town read them, but it makes you think about it. But you are moving in the direction of agreeing with more of my reads.

I also won't answer that scummy bs loaded question.

because? Explain how it's scummy bs pls

Fuck off.
VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

Idgaf if people call this OMGUS but his entire response to me reeked of cocky scum. The constant misreps, deflections, and false accusations ping hard and don't match up with his previous play.

Quote misrepresenting and reflections and false accusations pls.

Also being cocky != being scum my. Why would it? Town people are cocky when they think they've caught scum. Pls explain scum motivation behind being cocky.

So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Well I've gotta get going to work now. I'll respond to that later. Bye!

1. Well the first quote was before I voted him and the second was in reference to things that happened before I voted him so I don't know what your problem is.

my bad, you're right here. Sorry.

2. I was scumreading you but you weren't my top scumread, yes. I never said you should ignore a vote without justification, but I did justify mine.

see response to #1

3. I said white knighting because I thought that's what you were referencing. Otherwise I have no idea what you were trying to say.

you don't have to. You're acum

4. Seriously...? I just said that his observations don't lead anywhere and he doesn't follow up his questions. He's not motivated to find scum.

oh. Kinda like you're asking questions and interrogating me right now? Because you aren't. You're just defensive. Or like you're aggressively questioning Gwen?

6. This was your question:
"Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?"
This is A) loaded B) scummy because it serves no purpose C) bullshit because I'm not agreeing with you

Oh, so you're NOT starting to think that maybe aneninen is town because a stranger came in and voted him for no reason?

7. You misrepped me when you said I built up a case on you and voted someone without justification

scuse me but you and I have very different definitions of building a a case

.
You deflected my point about your reads being superficial by accusing me of the same thing even when I proved you wrong.

that's not deflecting. That's ignoring a stupid accusations. And how on earth did you prove me wrong?

You falsely accused me of "not being here at all" and townreading Aneninen.

again, so you didn't start to think that maybe aneninen might be town because a stranger came in and voted him for no reason? Or you got nervous that your vote might be scum? I'm not seeing it here

I'm not frustrated. I am angry because you're annoying as fuck to deal with though.

Are you implying you should just sit around and make small talk with your scum reads, like you chatted Gwen up about where you thought she was acting scum my?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Dang it the tags screwed up

[Extrapolated Eagle]

By the way if you feel like it you can vote Elyse with ms

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@garmr
Quick question, did you just happen to miss all the stuff in 514 because you "glanced over it" or "skimmed it?" Because that would make sense

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Or are you just not reading the game thread and tunneling me because it's a good way to get out of reading your fellow players?

[Garmr]

Garmt, every one of your points I've responded to or is really freaking dumb.

1. The reads early game were to push people around and get them out of their comfort zone so I could read them better when I had sleep and time to distance myself from the thread. That includes reads, my reads are freaking crap if I haven't had time to take a step back. I believe thhat on multiple occasions I had made it clear that I til I posted my next days reads list none of those could be taken seriously.
2.see one. Not saying this again.
3.NOT AT ALL, bucko. Glancing at and skimming are NOT under any circumstance reading thoroughly and understanding as you have proven time and time again.
4.see 1 and my most recent pistsm READ them this time don't glance or skim
5. I literally said its likely you aren't a team. So HoW on earth is this linking you?
6.

Read.
The.
Game.
Please.

I don't think you can make this up. I have pushed Elyse harder than anyone else this game.

Not satisfied with the way you answered 1 or 2.

3.My point was a quick read and my initial thoughts I went deeper into it latter on. There is no point in arguing this as you could just of argued my point in the begging instead you used this as a way to try and dance your way around my initial point why not try and answer my argument at the start why try to use word play to devalue something

4. 1 doesn't answer anything about this question.

5.

That said, my theory says it's slightly unlikely that you flip scum with Elyse (I noticed my mistake when I woke up for some reason), so if you know she's your scum buddy you can keep acting like an idiot for a while because she's next and then whoever theory says is more likely,

I think. Unless I've discarded theory by then.

I'm reading deeper into this. I don't see any reason for you to saying this as town at all. You use language like she's probably my buddy then go on to say she's probally not then go on to say Unless I discard that theroy meaning your looking for a chance to discard it making you seem eager.

6

so if you know she's your scum buddy you can keep acting like an idiot for a while because she's next

I assumed I was the stronger read because of the language you used in the last comment. But yeh concede this point.
But that brings up a interesting question why would you say she's next if your not going after me? Unless you mean your going to do her now which isn't really next.

[Garmr]

@garmr
Quick question, did you just happen to miss all the stuff in 514 because you "glanced over it" or "skimmed it?" Because that would make sense

Nah Just got caught in the language you were using which made me think I was the stronger scum read.

Or are you just not reading the game thread and tunneling me because it's a good way to get out of reading your fellow players?

I am reading the game thread I'm just trying to get you lynched. I have shared my opion on a few players through not many. You might be able to pick up some reads through my tone when addressing some players through.

[Garmr]

Also it looks like eagle is scum flailing at the moment he can't seem to handle the pressure well so his trying to devalue everything by saying I'm not reading properly.

[inte]

ok literall 21 pages screw u guys

[Extrapolated Eagle]

See what I mean? Garbage. That whole post. Just like the last one. You're free to argue what you want. The whole thing goes in the trash can.
Now you have two options:
1. Whine about how I'm not responding anymore
Or go back and actually read the thread, make a quality thought out post, READ this time instead of looking for what you want to because you miss things when you do it the latter way, and stop being an idiot.

I have to say though, and this is a big reason I'm scum reading you: this is only crappy play if you're town. If you're scum this is actually good play because you're likely to get ignored as VI and people will think you're kind of town if I flip for the opposite reason people think scum are town when they white knight- scum would know my alignment so why would garmer press so hard if eagle flipped town?

[itlepip]

Eagle have you posted a read of me yet?