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[itlepip]

I'm also slightly concerned how you openly state you refuse to interact with your scumreads. Just because you're confident that someeone is scum doesn't mean the rest of us are. So interacting would be a help.

Ok, I'm certain Elyse is scum. In my opinion interacting with her at this point in time will determine me from the task of making sure she is lynched, and I highly doubt that she will say anything that will make me reconsider. The things she could be doing to make me reconsider are all things she would be less likely to do while we're arguing over it.

p-edit looked quickly at your recent post and it looks like some of my questions might be answered there. Will respond to that, but for now Eagle, you ain't lookin' too bad. I think I might want to try and reevaluate you because I see you coming up with some decent content.
I see me in the future being less confident with any possible scummy thing you might do actually coming from a scum slot because I've convinced myself otherwise twice now, and I'm getting closer to thinking it might be something akin to playstyle

UNVOTE:

Thanks, I tried, haha. What can I say, I like to live on edge.

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

gj on proving this wrong eagle lol

Not completely, I had to drop the role play stuff (it was annoying people anyways) and I wasn't even really able to finish my "reasons Elyse is scum" all the way this morning because I was doubting people would actually read all of it and I was so discouraged. But thanks anyways, I'm still going pretty strong And tomorrow maybe I'll finish a whole reads list (there are just so many people, lol)

You are doing great. I'm still in the enthusiastic noob phase and I am much more reserved than you. One suggestion in general is try to work towards tighter arguments, they are easier to read and are much more convincing, but that takes time.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing, and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

1. I've seen scum start wagons, scum hammer, scum sheep. I've also seen town do all these things. Sheeping doesn't equal town and I think that most people know that. From what I see, Elyse has been actually making poitns on here reads and that makes her accountable for them.
2. Not understanding number 2, can you explain
3. I also don't really see Elyse sidelining, could you point me to some things you've said about this?

Eagle I really honestly appreciate the effort you've put into this game. Doesn't make you town or scum, but I respect it none the less and I'm interesting in hearing your response to this.

1. True she makes points, but she doesnt really push them, if you know what I mean. Enough to be noticed and not sheeping, but even when she says "balls to the wall eagle lynch" she makes no case against me. She doesn't actually make a case against anyone. And while scum will do these things, it's often not optimal and brings scum in the limelight. Imo scum like to stay in the background until there's few enough people that people start really noticing inactivity and lynching it.
2. You push someone/ put them under a lot of pressure they sometimes OMGUS or AtE in a way that makes them look town (because if you're scum pushing the wagon, they often are) and then the wagon dissolves and you have to build up momentum again, something scum don't want to be doing in the first place. The other part of it is people who push are often put in the spotlight by the one they push in order to try and make their case seem invalid by invalidating the person themselves.
3. Sorry, I said sidelining, I meant to try to say she isn't pushing in another way.

But here check this out:
Klingon is under pressure. Passionate Storm makes a couple posts about how scummy she is, and what does Elyse say when one of her prime scum reads that she wants lynched over Gwen? "Ditto to passionate storm" now she may have those thoughts all on her own, but this way, when kling OMGUS votes passionate storm, what does she say about Elyse? "Need to reread." Now I don't know about you but for me when I'm OMGUS ing I try to get all my aggressors, because that way maybe they'll back off. But Klingon didn't even feel the push. Which means it wasn't really there

[Elyse]

I'm also slightly concerned how you openly state you refuse to interact with your scumreads. Just because you're confident that someeone is scum doesn't mean the rest of us are. So interacting would be a help.

Ok, I'm certain Elyse is scum. In my opinion interacting with her at this point in time will determine me from the task of making sure she is lynched, and I highly doubt that she will say anything that will make me reconsider. The things she could be doing to make me reconsider are all things she would be less likely to do while we're arguing over it.

p-edit looked quickly at your recent post and it looks like some of my questions might be answered there. Will respond to that, but for now Eagle, you ain't lookin' too bad. I think I might want to try and reevaluate you because I see you coming up with some decent content.
I see me in the future being less confident with any possible scummy thing you might do actually coming from a scum slot because I've convinced myself otherwise twice now, and I'm getting closer to thinking it might be something akin to playstyle

UNVOTE:

Thanks, I tried, haha. What can I say, I like to live on edge.

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

gj on proving this wrong eagle lol

Not completely, I had to drop the role play stuff (it was annoying people anyways) and I wasn't even really able to finish my "reasons Elyse is scum" all the way this morning because I was doubting people would actually read all of it and I was so discouraged. But thanks anyways, I'm still going pretty strong And tomorrow maybe I'll finish a whole reads list (there are just so many people, lol)

You are doing great. I'm still in the enthusiastic noob phase and I am much more reserved than you. One suggestion in general is try to work towards tighter arguments, they are easier to read and are much more convincing, but that takes time.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing,

and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous

.

So in other words, what you and errant are doing with Eagle?

I get that you guys don't want to discourage the tryhard newb and I'd probably be right along with you if he didn't irritate me so much. However, that doesn't mean his arguments are correct.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You are doing great. I'm still in the enthusiastic noob phase and I am much more reserved than you. One suggestion in general is try to work towards tighter arguments, they are easier to read and are much more convincing, but that takes time.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing, and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous.

Haha, thanks. I know I have a hard time with that, I think best out loud about some things, particularly how to deal with people, which often caused me to get mislynched off of misunderstandings. Still does a little bit, but I've learned to kind of talk to myself a little bit.

Elyse actually hasn't given her reads. She may read one or two people scum, or have said something about them at the beginning of the game, but there's no list, no cases against anyone and very few reads except her scum read.

No that's the reason against the fos being scummy. Klingon seems like an emotional person which would explain her fos in the way emotions relate to empathy. It also explains her OMGUS. But for the rest of it, like I said earlier, while her individual posts are scummy, they're often only scummy in and of themselves and don't tell the story of scum. Town makes scummy posts, partially because thyley don't know enough to avoid it. But all of this says she is nowhere near scummy enough to be lynchable over Elyse right now, which is where I intend to spend my energy, not defending Klingon when I'm not sure she's town, either

[Extrapolated Eagle]

So in other words, what you and errant are doing with Eagle?

I get that you guys don't want to discourage the tryhard newb and I'd probably be right along with you if he didn't irritate me so much. However, that doesn't mean his arguments are correct.

I love how you imply my arguments are incorrect without stating it so you don't have to defend yourself.

[itlepip]

The difference is that Eagle is clearly town and Klingon isn't. Eagle is posting stuff, some of it is wrong, but as someone who does this the brain throw up on the thread is easy to read. Eagle is actually pretty high on my town list right now. Kling on the other hand still hasn't done anything that I know of that I can town read, but a lot that I can scum read. I feel like Eagle's read on Klingon is sympathy instead of analysis. I personally have no problem picking on people new to the site if I am trying to get a certain reaction, but with Eagle I have already gotten that reaction so there is no need.

Pedit: Okay, Elyse can go over your opinions on the controversial figures (grape, Kling, EE, Titus). The problem with kling is that she still hasn't responded to our accusations 300 posts ago. I originally voted to get a response, and when she talked about tangential stuff instead of about our questions my vote became a real read.

Pedit 2:um 273, all 3 of us agreed that your arguments were incorrect there.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Also get out, Elyse. We're legitimately trying to find scum here. You wouldn't want to impede town from finding scum, would you?

Pedit: I doubt she's talking about that post.

[Elyse]

The difference is that Eagle is clearly town and Klingon isn't. Eagle is posting stuff, some of it is wrong, but as someone who does this the brain throw up on the thread is easy to read. Eagle is actually pretty high on my town list right now. Kling on the other hand still hasn't done anything that I know of that I can town read, but a lot that I can scum read. I feel like Eagle's read on Klingon is sympathy instead of analysis. I personally have no problem picking on people new to the site if I am trying to get a certain reaction, but with Eagle I have already gotten that reaction so there is no need.

Pedit: Okay, Elyse can go over your opinions on the controversial figures (grape, Kling, EE, Titus). The problem with kling is that she still hasn't responded to our accusations 300 posts ago. I originally voted to get a response, and when she talked about tangential stuff instead of about our questions my vote became a real read.

Pedit 2:um 273, all 3 of us agreed that your arguments were incorrect there.

Yeah I know your read on him isn't because he's new. I was talking more about the validity of his arguments. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Yeah I know your read on him isn't because he's new. I was talking more about the validity of his arguments. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I'm sorry, but this is actually a lie.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing,

and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous

.

So in other words, what you and errant are doing with Eagle?

You're accusing them of reading me as town because they feel for me. Not questioning my argument or their validity.

By the way, I am not reading Klingon as town because I feel for her or because of my empathy towards her, it's because of perceived empathy from her to Titus.

I get that you guys don't want to discourage the tryhard newb and I'd probably be right along with you if he didn't irritate me so much.

Right there with them doing what? Town reading me? So your scum read on me is because I IRRITATE you? That's rather ridiculous, don't you think?

And I irritate you intentionally dear. If you're frustrated with me you'll stay away from doing crap like the shit you're trying to pull now.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

And I irritate you intentionally dear. If you're frustrated with me you'll stay away from doing crap like the shit you're trying to pull now.

Nothing against you personally. I have to do something to keep the scummies away

[Klingoncelt]

This is green. Grey is a bit ill, so I am standing in.

Get well soon, Grey.

[Klingoncelt]

You are killings me Anen ;~;

My curiosity is screaming at me.

The Clotilde thing is driving me up a wall too.

[Dapper Stranger]

This head of the hydra is still behind in pages but is happy with our Gwen vote and doesn't have good feelings about Garmr either. I owe Garmr a question answer though and need to find it so I can answer it.

[Elyse]

You just misrepped everything I said. This is why I don't respond to you.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You just misrepped everything I said. This is why I don't respond to you.

let's keep it that way, shall we? Why you keep getting involved with me and my discussions when we're talking about wy you're scummy is another mark against you being scum.

I also didn't misrepresent you. But you've lied/said something that was untrue and then excused it by saying I'm difficult to talk to.

To me the situation is easily solvable. Don't respond to me and let me lynch you.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

And one hundred percent honest Elyse, because I feel kinda bad for this: I'm being difficult to work with PURELY to get you to stop trying to mess up my hard work. Or distract from it. I guess a small part of it is frustration that you do keep trying to mess up my stuff, but the large reason is what I have already brought up. I want to specifically point out that this is nothing against you as a person, and if I believed you were town, I would be 100% more willing to work with you.

I say this because while I do want to keep you temporarily frustrated so you stay away, I want to avoid post-game hard feelings if possible.

[Klingoncelt]

... This is more Suidoken u pick than twilight zone. Both I lynched Klingon day 1. In Sudikoen, Kling's ISO was devoid of any attempt to read people or defend people. There was nothing to engage Klingon with. She finally gave a readwall but said wall had zero conclusions but a lot of waffles. In twilight, every post Klingon made early was a defense attack or question. When we fought, it was due to her bad strategy that did not line up with her words, making me doubt everything else she said. You can grab Kling's ISO side by side with Sudioken and see the contrast.

Except don't. I refer to that game as brown acid down the rabbit hole, it was the weirdest game I've ever seen.

The reads list was given reluctantly - at Titus' insistence. I hate doing readslists on Day 1. I think I said that already.

Also, the way the game was set up, Town had tons of communication, Scum were stuck with night chat only. As long as Town played half-assed or better they could pin down the Scum team pretty quick.

Titus' play was

very

strange. (So was Wgeurts' and LQ's.)

[Spifflop]

let's keep it that way, shall we? Why you keep getting involved with me and my discussions when we're talking about wy you're scummy is another mark against you being scum.

What the actual fuck is this?

~Spiffy

[Extrapolated Eagle]

And even with that, this minor argument we've had has already set back some of the work I've done, I think. Neither Mr parabola nor itlepip is responding anymore, so maybe I just can't win.

It's just so frustrating trying to get places without getting messed up by you scumterupting.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

let's keep it that way, shall we? Why you keep getting involved with me and my discussions when we're talking about wy you're scummy is another mark against you being scum.

What the actual fuck is this?

~Spiffy

A very poorly worded sentence that's attempting to say that the fact that she keeps getting in my way when I start getting anywhere is scummy.

And a question that requests she continue not responding to me for now until she's lynched

[Elyse]

I've literally been ignoring you for pages now. I'm not interrupting anything.

[Spifflop]

You're just trying to find anything to paint her in a scummy light at this point. So you're saying that it's scummy of her to respond to your case?

PEdit: How can she get in the way?
You can still make posts. My point still stands.

~Spiffy

[itlepip]

And even with that, this minor argument we've had has already set back some of the work I've done, I think. Neither Mr parabola nor itlepip is responding anymore, so maybe I just can't win.

It's just so frustrating trying to get places without getting messed up by you scumterupting.

I had RL stuff to do. My point is that do Klingon's posts really do anything for you, they are all neck deep in meta that only Titus knows. Since that is her only defense and its not convincing Titus \_(ツ)_/. She isn't doing anything to move town forward.

[Passionate Storm]

... This is more Suidoken u pick than twilight zone. Both I lynched Klingon day 1. In Sudikoen, Kling's ISO was devoid of any attempt to read people or defend people. There was nothing to engage Klingon with. She finally gave a readwall but said wall had zero conclusions but a lot of waffles. In twilight, every post Klingon made early was a defense attack or question. When we fought, it was due to her bad strategy that did not line up with her words, making me doubt everything else she said. You can grab Kling's ISO side by side with Sudioken and see the contrast.

Except don't. I refer to that game as brown acid down the rabbit hole, it was the weirdest game I've ever seen.

The reads list was given reluctantly - at Titus' insistence. I hate doing readslists on Day 1. I think I said that already.

Also, the way the game was set up, Town had tons of communication, Scum were stuck with night chat only. As long as Town played half-assed or better they could pin down the Scum team pretty quick.

Titus' play was

very

strange. (So was Wgeurts' and LQ's.)

Yes. I am aware you do. There's a reason I asked. It's a huge flag you have no content this game.

Sudikoen would have been much worse without identifying a town block early. Town had communication, but not with guaranteed town.

It seems you have thoughts on this game.

I may read EE v Elyse later. Not in the mood for a wall fight.

[Spifflop]

I agree with Titus' analysis of Town Klingon in Twilight Zone Mafia and how she is very different here.

~Spiffy