You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Passionate Storm]

And I wasn't rolefishing. I don't give a fuck about your role.
Alignment, now that's another story. I'm hoping you're Town.

Oh shyt, you DO give a f-ck. You give a lot of f-ck.
You really want to know who Varsoon is and you really want to know who I am.

Varsoon is Luke Skywalker and he will never go to the Dark Side, so Varsoon's Town and that's all that matters. I truly do not a single fuck give about his role.

As for you, bucko, I'm not the one that's dangling Clotilde in front of everyone. I want to know who she is, not what you are.

How do you know Varsoon's Flavor?

Second, God was scum in YCBA2

death in family might be a little more absent than usual for a few days. will try to still post if i can

Sorry for your loss.

[Dapper Stranger]

Passionate Storm - seems as obnoxious as usual. null-town
Garmr - hasn't particularly pinged for me, will re-read
I Am Innocent - didn't notice they were in the game
inte - same as above
PeregrineV - had a null-town earlier but can't remember why
Dapper Stranger - town, I'm liking their logic and their scumreads. Town [

their scum read is that if you assume spifflop is scum elyse and kling are town, so therefore spiff is scum

Klingoncelt - I like the fact that they are sticking to their guns and aren't trying to convince people to townread them, they are trying to do their job. Town

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

Spider Gwen - ignored me then made a bad vote on passionate storm. Scum

If ignoring a post was alignment indicative in this game everyone would be scum.

Aunt Jemina - seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum

So like this readlist? AJ has made some good points so I disagree.

TheWayItEnds - barely registered they were in the game.
T S O - like what I've seen, town
Shiro - hasn't pinged, will reread
My Other Head Is Scum - I can't read fire, if vedith becomes more active will be able to give something on them.
Alchemist21 - I like alch and want them to be town. town

I'd say this is shit but it seems the most genuine comment in this whole readlist.

Extrapolated Eagle - EE's posts have been mixed for me, bit I'm scumreading his pushers and there fore null-town

Holy shit the person who has posted the most is being read by your opinion of his pushers?

itlepip - when I said I was scumreading them earlier I meant spifflop. My bad. They haven't really registered so I'll put them at null
Aneninen - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null
Errantparabola - I disliked his early pushes on EE, but since then has been decent. Null

why is pushing someone scummy if that person is being null read?

Elyse - dislike fence sitty blehness. Scum

This one I agree with

grapes - hasn't pinged that much but seems to have posted a decent amount. Null-scum
Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Dapper's reasoning was that if you assume spifflop is scum, he is scum... Just because you can invent a world where someone is scum doesn't make it scum. I could probably come up with a case against anyone in this game, but Spifflop has made some of the best posts this game so far

Varsoon - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null

Overall " seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum" perfectly describes your play so far. You have waaay to many scumreads in this list to the point of fencesitting. Spifflop wagon is horrible and you need to get off of it, and you are putting too much trust in that one dapper post.

Misrepping a man why?

[Passionate Storm]

Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.

That's where post like this exchange are coming in

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch

someone

. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

But, for the while Klingon is getting a bit of a reprieve from as much suspicion this one is making himself to be fully into his cups with how he wanting squished Grapes:

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

And then, finally, a man is presenting this

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

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With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

Likewise Spifflop's play which is causing a man's scum read is making it impossible to consider Klingon may be scum as scum aren't throwing away a scummate because they FoS'd in RVS.

His interactions with Gwen are giving a man pause there as well as he isn't putting together how those are scum together. A man also hasn't put much effort into that as yet but is seeing if such ties exist later on. For now

VOTE: Spifflop

I have caught scum on post 29 before. Sometimes scum are just bad.

[Passionate Storm]

Ransom's readwall is classic wants to vote everyone but the lead wagon scum.

[Dapper Stranger]

Yes, but when is a Storm catching Klingoncelt performing that poorly? We are all having our bad games, but that one is pretty solid.

[Dapper Stranger]

And exactly how much weight is a lady giving 'scum cuz FoS when yeh should be RVS'? A man is RQS starting games- when is that a scum tell? Same thing, and a man is finding it extremely weak sauce.

[Dapper Stranger]

And, when is a lady seeing either head of Spifflop be so endearing?

[PeregrineV]

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

[Alchemist21]

Randomidget has 5 scumreads in his list. For a 23 player game I would expect 5 or 6 scum players, so there's nothing wrong with the actual number of scumreads he has.

[Alchemist21]

Itlepip and Passionate Storm can both go in my scumpile for this. They both take issue with rm "wanting to vote everyone" (which isn't true at all if you look at his post) despite him having an appropriate number of scumreads, but neither haven't seemed to take issue with the fact that I only had 1 scumread. If they're arguing that Klingon isn't making any pushes, you'd think they would have something to say about me too. I'm thinking they just want to push a Klingon lynch because they think they can get away with it while allowing apathetic Townies to get by because they're happy with having apathetic Townies around. I think there's also been a notable lack of attention towards Shiro, Other Head, and Varsoon for all this, so I think this might be the case (and may imply Varsoon is actually Town as well).

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Voting here before Itle because at least Itle made a fair point regarding randomidget's leaning on Dapper's posts.

[itlepip]

Itlepip and Passionate Storm can both go in my scumpile for this. They both take issue with rm "wanting to vote everyone" (which isn't true at all if you look at his post) despite him having an appropriate number of scumreads, but neither haven't seemed to take issue with the fact that I only had 1 scumread. If they're arguing that Klingon isn't making any pushes, you'd think they would have something to say about me too. I'm thinking they just want to push a Klingon lynch because they think they can get away with it while allowing apathetic Townies to get by because they're happy with having apathetic Townies around. I think there's also been a notable lack of attention towards Shiro, Other Head, and Varsoon for all this, so I think this might be the case (and may imply Varsoon is actually Town as well).

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Voting here before Itle because at least Itle made a fair point regarding randomidget's leaning on Dapper's posts.

When you can't read almost 2/3 of the players in the game yeah you shouldn't have 5-6 scum reads. I would claim that I'm new to large games here, but I'm still pretty sure that random has too many scumreads.

[itlepip]

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

Why would you vote for spifflop instead of Elyse here?

[itlepip]

Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

That is Spiffeh's style of posting, I will say that you (obviously) picked the weakest posts and the ones that didn't contain explanations. I would expect town honestly to have made posts that aren't fully explained at this point

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.

That's where post like this exchange are coming in

The problem with this is that I still am really certain that Klingon is scum, and all of this falls apart if Klingon is scum. Present me a good case for Klingon being town (ie posts that actually help town) and not the usual "oh stop picking on Klingon" defense.

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun :)

elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too ;)

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch

someone

. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

But, for the while Klingon is getting a bit of a reprieve from as much suspicion this one is making himself to be fully into his cups with how he wanting squished Grapes:

This point doesn't make any sense, saying that someone is town doesn't mean they are looking for lynches... It might just be you style blowing but I don't think the logic is sound here.

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

And then, finally, a man is presenting this

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

Have you played with Spiffeh before? He called me 100% scum in a game for making a joke post and then saying that scumreading me because of a joke post was dumb, and he was town that game (so was I). He usually isn't reserved in his reads, so this point is pretty weak.

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With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

Likewise Spifflop's play which is causing a man's scum read is making it impossible to consider Klingon may be scum as scum aren't throwing away a scummate because they FoS'd in RVS.

His interactions with Gwen are giving a man pause there as well as he isn't putting together how those are scum together. A man also hasn't put much effort into that as yet but is seeing if such ties exist later on. For now

VOTE: Spifflop

Reading 3 people based on this level 4-5 read is dumb. This is why I am considering you as scum, the Spifflop case is contrived but I can see town believing it, but you shouldn't take the 2 otherwise most scummy people in the game and give them a pass because of that read.

Since the Lady of Syrup is a bit soured on a man, then she should be seeing she can at least weigh a man's thoughts evenly given the nature of her reads as compared to reality of a man's alignment...if not then with a bit of humor look at this abstract:

Given: a man is town, thus his actions are flowing accordingly


SCENARIO

Elly is facing the flame and is sweating most profusely.

Spitflop, like everyone else, is knowing this is just so.

Spitflop is taking the opportunity to derail any attention from Elly onto Celty.


HYPOTHESIS

This is pinging opportunistic in a man's mind.

If Lord Spit's scum, he's hoping Elly will swallow and they are becoming the best of buddies even though if this as well is just so, Celty is likely mislynch material. If a man is building a sufficiently clear case of early game scummotivation, then a Spifflop lynch today is superior to either lady because if Spit flipping scum reasonably town clears both.

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If you are following that LOGIC (disregarding your personal reads, just the logic), would you agree proving Spitflop scum is clearing Celty in whole and soft clearing Elly at the same time? If so and if a man is just so in his evaluation will a lady work with a man for a day?

All you have done in my mind is create a good case for scum spif being with town kling and elyse. Your read on spifflop can't be based on that relationship unless you prove that both of them are town, which you haven't done. If you really believe your theory then kill Kling and if she flips town we can start looking at the spiff wagon the next day, but there is no way we should lynch spifflop today.

[TheWayItEnds]

where was that "too many scumreads" complaint when titus put out a list with 8 scum reads on page like 15?

also that orange is basically unreadable.

[itlepip]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

This, yeah this was bad. The difference is that storm has pushed people while Random's only real contribution was his readlist. He made a big deal about his readlist while this was just another random post to be ignored.

[TheWayItEnds]

i suppose that makes more sense, but i'd kinda disagree with you about him making a big deal about it given that elyse and alch both asked him for content/reads.

[TheWayItEnds]

also its not the only thing hes done.

he brought up the terrible idea of flavor claiming.

which id still like him to rationalize

[grapes]

Have only read the last couple pages but the spifflop votes are beautiful.

Lots of resistance too and I haven't seen one person muster a reason why they're so town.

[Dapper Stranger]

itlepipsqueak- "He called me 100% scum in a game for making a joke post and

then saying that scumreading me because of a joke post was dumb

"

And this one isn't seeing the difference here...

And a man isn't needing to find posts which are making either of Klingon or Elyse town. Spitflop's flipping scum is doing that all on its own. Lynching him today, if he is flipping scum, is also giving two town clears. A man is showing ample reason for Spiff being scum here, which is what matters since that's where a man is voting. Elyse town and Kling town are but a benefit if Spiff is indeed flipping scum. Don't try to muddle shit again.

[Passionate Storm]

Spiffehop is obvious town. People deliberately wagonning him after one head has a death in the family and cannot defend himself. Just terrible.

That being said Klingon is still obvious scum. So is random midget.

[Dapper Stranger]

A man is finding that the beauty of hydras Titus- the other head is here and is fully capable of defending himself.

[Dapper Stranger]

A man is reminding Titus that Spitflop's is being mostly Spiffeh. Hipplop's circumstance isn't keeping that one from carrying on.

[itlepip]

Most of these posts I read as towny, especially given what I know of how Hip and Spiffeh play.

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

Someone is self conscious about being scum read.

What are your thoughts on the grapes wagon?

~Spiffy

EP I play p. differently every town game so I urge you to meta me beyond History if you're going to meta me at all. Also hiplop felt strongly about grapes and I let him take the wheel but now I kinda want to switch to Klingon.

I really hate the Eagle wagon. He seems like lynchbait 101 to me.

Klingon is a shoe in for scum. She tried to discredit my vote on her by lying about my ability to read her and has since ignored me calling her out on it. Hiplop can we switch to Klingon?

~Spiffy

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

When did this become a thing? Cause I don't see what scum gains from it.

its not, shes trying to discredit the wagon

@spider, interested in why you think tituscum?

You're just trying to find anything to paint her in a scummy light at this point. So you're saying that it's scummy of her to respond to your case?

PEdit: How can she get in the way?
You can still make posts. My point still stands.

~Spiffy

[Dapper Stranger]

5/101 posts

[itlepip]

5/101 posts

Well there is a lot of Spiffeh filler.

Also the count is 0/75 for klingon right now.