You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Garmr]

Eagles behavior around kling is weird and I don't like how itlip is trying to push eagle as a different faction from kling. It's like he knows what klings going to flip.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Itlepip explain yourself please

[T S O]

Give me a few hours and I'll sort this shit out.

[Aneninen]

Catching-up.

Firstly, Dapper's 958. I see your points, but have you considered they're a hydra? (I've just started cathing-up, sorry if this has been pointed out.)

What doesn't make sense about my explanation for the cult thing?
And lastly, if I had other scumreads besides Varsoon I would have said so in that post.

I've explained it a couple of times. The sooner the Cult is out the better it is.
And I still can't get it why Varsoon is your only scumread.

Random's readlist in 966 contains just as much information as a cubic metre of deep space contains astatine.

Also,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: spifflop
Doesn't look like spidey is happening today.

Eeeeeeeeeeek!
I'm quoting Antihero right now:

al;kdjfal;kj !!!!!

UNVOTE:

Alchemist's 984 is a DAFUQ, especially the vote.

________

Okay, it's simply not working with 20+ pages to read.
Anyone, anything I should be aware of?

(Right now I'm willing to move my vote back or Randomidget or Alchemist.)

[itlepip]

In post 1451, Dapper Stranger wrote:

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

This is where I first mentioned it (the long post of kling rebuttals). Basically we have two sides that think everyone on their side is town and everyone on the other side is scumish (me storm spiff and random kling and dapper ish). My point is that given this gamestate the way you changed your read on Klingon felt organic enough that I don't think that TSO's point was right about it being scummy. Your two scum teams were completely off though and I want you to explain that again.

[Shiro]

ANEN LET'S DO THIS

Let's start an alchemist wagon

VOTE:alchemist

*Extends hand *

I posted a case as well if you want more conviction.

[Passionate Storm]

How can you ignore my offer of cookies Shiro?

Notice how the only one voter not in my townblock gets off after EE gets on.

[Shiro]

How can you ignore my offer of cookies Shiro?

I am resisting so stahp Dx

[itlepip]

How can you ignore my offer of cookies Shiro?

I am resisting so stahp Dx

did Shiro just turn down cookies, what am I seeing!

[Extrapolated Eagle]

[quote="In post 1533, itlepip"][/quote]
I'm heading to work now, but I would like to see a post explaining what two factions you were talking about earlier.

Also
UNVOTE:

I'm not entirely ready to leave this unattended to.

[itlepip]

I'm heading to work now, but I would like to see a post explaining what two factions you were talking about earlier.

Also
UNVOTE:

I'm not entirely ready to leave this unattended to.

I did this already.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Oh I'm dumb. Ok that makes sense. Sorry, I missed that.

[Elyse]

@itlepip
No I'm referring to the posts where I addressed you about your scumread on me. I'm on my phone so I can't quote it but it's not far back in my ISO.

@Shiro
Remind me again why you don't want to vote Kling.

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

[Shiro]

@itlepip
No I'm referring to the posts where I addressed you about your scumread on me. I'm on my phone so I can't quote it but it's not far back in my ISO.

@Shiro
Remind me again why you don't want to vote Kling.

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

Because I think she is town. I have seen her twice as scum and two times as town.(that I freshly recall )

This doesn't look like her scum game to me at all. She is none existant when she is scum, even when people tried to engage her she didn't really respond back (like she did in pun mafia that titus was part of). I am seeing the same agressive defence I was seeing in Twilight mafia. Titus thinks it not the same but I do.

[itlepip]

@itlepip
No I'm referring to the posts where I addressed you about your scumread on me. I'm on my phone so I can't quote it but it's not far back in my ISO.

@Shiro
Remind me again why you don't want to vote Kling.

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

Because I think she is town. I have seen her twice as scum and two times as town.(that I freshly recall )

This doesn't look like her scum game to me at all. She is none existant when she is scum, even when people tried to engage her she didn't really respond back (like she did in pun mafia that titus was part of). I am seeing the same agressive defence I was seeing in Twilight mafia. Titus thinks it not the same but I do.

Shiro, you forgot me :(. In pun mafia we didn't nearly push Kling as hard as we did in this game, d1 ended up being me flubbing a bit, but there wasn't a serious wagon on Kling that I remember. Titus was the d1 lurker lynch suspect not Kling.

[Spifflop]

kling, you have us in the same category as players who are lurking or adding little of value and I have no idea how you can justify that. We have a ton of posts clearly outlinining what we think on a variety of issues. Your refusal to put us in a category adds credence to your necessity of lynch.

@Itlepip, you're killing it. Good job. Not going to quote because of the awkward way it'll show up, but anyone unsure of Klingon-scum should read @1480

@EE, please think about how easy the wagon on us showed up, and how hard it was to get to 9 on Klingon. Immediately we got 3 shitty votes. That's telling. I honestly can't tell whats up with you. I think you're a very smart person who hasn't quite figured out mafia yet?

I think we have one of two possible scum teams at this point in time:

stuff like this is absolute bull. You can't claim this day one. I for one have no idea about your alignment. ALSO PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH EACHOTHER =/= SCUM TOGETHER. BOTH YOUR SCUM TEAMS ARE BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE THAT AGREE. If you want a critique now, this is it. Scum frequently distance/bus/etc. You're not gonna find scum by lumping anyone who agrees into one group. You're not. I promise you.

1489 is one of the worst posts I've ever read on this site.

I appreciate you think its the second group (ala Klingon+random), but that's the only connection you can make. I like the last sentence, that's it

Correct but when I have lynched Vedith based on this, he has flipped town. See Midnight Sun.

me too, they flipped scum

Alright.
VOTE: Klingon

I reserve the right to call you scummy as much as I want d2 if she flips town. No "I was town so I couldn't have known her alignment" or any of that. Yeah, I know exactly what I'm doing. If I'm alive d2 you're not going to strongarm or WIFOM me. I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. You will have to convince me that you're town or I swear I will push your lynch until I run out of breath or you get lynched. And keeping me alive tomorrow will not make me doubt that you're scum.

HALLA FUCKING LEUIA

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

tso, I agree with you one hundred percent. Lets talk about this more later, I don't think I should share what I noticed just yet. I think it should make your Klingon vote feel good.

[Elyse]

@itlepip
1122 is what I'm talking about

[Passionate Storm]

Shiro I has lots of cookies

[itlepip]

@itlepip
1122 is what I'm talking about

Oh, yeah you are null right now. I think some of your early posts were randomesque, too many reads not enough explanation but I have liked some of your recent stuff. I am worried about buddying stuff so not quite a town read, but I won't support a lynch on you right now.

[Shiro]

Shiro, you forgot me . In pun mafia we didn't nearly push Kling as hard as we did in this game, d1 ended up being me flubbing a bit, but there wasn't a serious wagon on Kling that I remember. Titus was the d1 lurker lynch suspect not Kling.

I am pretty sure we ended up lynching her. Sure it wasn't a day 1 wagon but it happened and she didn't get nearly as invested in defending herself.

[Passionate Storm]

Shiro, you forgot me . In pun mafia we didn't nearly push Kling as hard as we did in this game, d1 ended up being me flubbing a bit, but there wasn't a serious wagon on Kling that I remember. Titus was the d1 lurker lynch suspect not Kling.

I am pretty sure we ended up lynching her. Sure it wasn't a day 1 wagon but it happened and she didn't get nearly as invested in defending herself.

I wasn't a lurker in pun, just not confident in my reads. It threw people off.

Klingon, although I suspected her, wasn't a wagon. You could compare the D1 ISOs.

[Passionate Storm]

Wound up getting naked n1 for being right on FB and Klingon.

[Shiro]

Klingon, although I suspected her, wasn't a wagon. You could compare the D1 ISOs.

That is what I said. We didn't wagon her day 1 but if I remember we did day 2 and she wasn't nearly as aggro-def

[Passionate Storm]

Klingon, although I suspected her, wasn't a wagon. You could compare the D1 ISOs.

That is what I said. We didn't wagon her day 1 but if I remember we did day 2 and she wasn't nearly as aggro-def

Klingon tends to be more reserved in a hopeless scenario. Aggressive when not hopeless.

[Passionate Storm]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62339

Aggressive scum Klingon lynched D2