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Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:33 pm

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If I would have said that I'd be flashlynched.

If a lot of the other players would have said that they would be flashlynched.

You should be flashlynched.

VOTE: itlepip

No, this is another case of not reading. I was guilty of this here as well. He was talking about something else if you read a couple posts before it. Itlepip is probably town.

And I'm curious: Do you think that just isoing players a valid way of reading them? Do you believe the reads you posted are valid enough to lynch off of?

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@Errant: Don't worry about it. I was throwing names at a wall and seeing how they looked on the wall next to each other.

And there's nothing new from aj. I just think she would be an interesting candidate.



Oh no, oh hell no. If I slipped multiball I guarantee I'd be lynched. There are players in this game that know exactly what I'm talking about. And I'm not the only one that would swing. Most players would.

You can't townread some players for the same thing that would get others lynched.


Itlepip should be the lynch.
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Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:35 pm

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itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

klingoncelt why is the multiball slip more likely than this
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Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:36 pm

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so you're saying that Kling's D1 behavior is NOT non-indicative at best? Because I remember you saying that kling's behavior is non-indicative somewhere in the pages that I'm caught up to.


A man is saying exactly what he said. Don't this one start that putting words in a man's mouth shit to. Celt isn't doing enough for a man to make a comfortable read either way.
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Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:36 pm

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Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Hey let's wagon Aunt Jemina, Errant. What do you think?


Where is AJ, btw?


I don't know. Do you want to lynch her?


I'd like to see her answer to my question before deciding.

In the last game she was Town. She was NK'd early on and flipped. Before that she posted her reads list. It wasn't bad, but there were a couple of big mistakes on it. So I want to hear more from her before deciding.
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Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:37 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:What's the case on alch?


I'd like this answered too.
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Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:41 pm

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itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

klingoncelt why is the multiball slip more likely than this


Because when people refer to different factions
when discussing game theory
they're probably talking about Citizens vs. Scum.

However, when players
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in regards to players' behavior
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Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:44 pm

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Dapper Stranger wrote:She is either lurking it out or constantly contradicting herself as early game scum in a man's experience.

Is kling doing either of these things?
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Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:46 pm

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itlepip wrote:
In post 1451, Dapper Stranger wrote:

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.
This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

This is where I first mentioned it (the long post of kling rebuttals). Basically we have two sides that think everyone on their side is town and everyone on the other side is scumish (me storm spiff and random kling and dapper ish). My point is that given this gamestate the way you changed your read on Klingon felt organic enough that I don't think that TSO's point was right about it being scummy. Your two scum teams were completely off though and I want you to explain that again.

This is where I explained the factions. It clearly reads that 1 faction is town and the other is scum, Klingon stop trying to misrep me here.
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Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:52 pm

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If I would have said that I'd be flashlynched.

If a lot of the other players would have said that they would be flashlynched.

You should be flashlynched.

VOTE: itlepip

No, this is another case of not reading. I was guilty of this here as well. He was talking about something else if you read a couple posts before it. Itlepip is probably town.

And I'm curious: Do you think that just isoing players a valid way of reading them? Do you believe the reads you posted are valid enough to lynch off of?

Pedit:

@Errant: Don't worry about it. I was throwing names at a wall and seeing how they looked on the wall next to each other.

And there's nothing new from aj. I just think she would be an interesting candidate.



Oh no, oh hell no. If I slipped multiball I guarantee I'd be lynched. There are players in this game that know exactly what I'm talking about. And I'm not the only one that would swing. Most players would.

You can't townread some players for the same thing that would get others lynched.


Itlepip should be the lynch.


Is this your response to the other questions here as well?
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Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:56 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:man
Dapper Stranger wrote:Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

I've definitely seen reads with no substance coming from town with equal frequency.
Confident players =/= scum players, even though scum are informed.


A man is seeing this, but is watching football at the same time and so is waiting until after the game to respond.

A man is saying this exact thing in his case (is EP even reading a man's whole case, because a man very specifically says this is just so?).

Dapper Stranger wrote:This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.


As one point, this one is right. It's not enough to make a case from. In fact, any one point in a man's case isn't enough to hang Spitflop's with ON ITS OWN.

Every point taken into consideration together however is as solid as you can expect on the first day of a large game. Flaky reads with no supporting reasons. Flip-flopping his town reads to scum reads when it is looking like they could be popular. Kissing the butts of those who may oppose them to gain favor. Teaming up with his town-to scum when popular- back to town read to lynch a counter. ALL THAT SHIT
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IS MAKING A LOCK TIGHT CASE. Alone, each point is simply suspicious.

This, as Titus is kind enough to point out earlier, is how scum are attacking a case on their scummate. Particularly early in the game when it's "safe". This, TSO, is how you are getting preflip associatives. THIS is one. And, it too is solid.

A man is lynching this with speed and fire if everyone is still too chickenshit to weigh the sum total of a man's case against Spitflop. This one flipping scum is PROVING a man's Spitcase is legit.

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Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:00 pm

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Day 1 for this game is going so fast I am having a hard time keeping up.
Need to look at vote count.

Then analyze leading wagon, but I don't really have time. So this is 99% a prod dodge, unless vedith has been posting.

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Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:00 pm

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itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.


And of course this one is being honest if she did in fact slip... :roll:
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Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:05 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on spiff wagon though


A man would be surprised if there are scum on every wagon of 5 or more as that's usually the case? Why is this one singling out the Spitwagon?
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Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:08 pm

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Is this your response to the other questions here as well?


Do you mean these:
And I'm curious: Do you think that just isoing players a valid way of reading them? Do you believe the reads you posted are valid enough to lynch off of?

I use familiarity, meta, ISOs, anything I can. (When it comes to players I know nothing about I like to go to their profile and ISO a couple recent Town games and a couple recent Scum games. Sadly I haven't had the time to do that since late April.)

Anyone that lynches a player because of someone else's reads list is lazy, Scum, or a noob.

Do I think my reads are accurate? Is that what you mean? Then yes.
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Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:10 pm

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itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.


"Two groups of different alignment..."

Would it not have been easier and more sensible to say "I meant Town and Mafia?"
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Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:11 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:
Dapper Stranger wrote:She is either lurking it out or constantly contradicting herself as early game scum in a man's experience.

Is kling doing either of these things?


No. At the same time, a man is seeing players of her experience all of a sudden blossom beyond what they were and have a break out game. If a man is going just on previous experience and disregarding this fact, a man is naming her town based on the past couple real day's posting. If.
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Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:15 pm

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Klingoncelt wrote:
itlepip wrote:What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.


"Two groups of different alignment..."

Would it not have been easier and more sensible to say "I meant Town and Mafia?"

Nice

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Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:52 pm

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Klingon

(Your name is in bold because I'm frustrated with you.)

No. That was only kind of what I was talking about. I think your reads are inexcusable. As is your lack of push. I am certainly frustrated with you. Perhaps you are more experienced than you appear.

Ep we need to talk. About several things. First of all, where are you going next in this game? What's your next move? I don't like the passive reaction stuff you've had going on for a bit. Is that just because you're catching up, or...? Because I think that is a bit scummy. As was your interest in the Elyse wagon around the time Klings wagon began picking up. I also don't like how you failed to engage me when I asked how you felt about wagonning someone I thought might be scum with you. However, I have seen some good sense come out of you. So talk to me. What's up?

Dapper. We need to talk. I like you and where you're at. I'm starting to think Passionate Storm is probably town, just frustrated and certain a certain someone should be lynched. Based on TAOs reaction (not the overreaction post, that was really rather scummy) and his reads, I think he's probably town as well. Elyse is probably town, too, but I can't truly read her right now. I think her posts are quite anti-town, but perhaps she means well. So that first team proposal was a bit of a wash, but they're still rather bullish and I don't feel comfortable trying to work with any of them right now. I actually would probably feel better if we just lynched the whole lot, (though I won't) their arrogance and overconfidence is distracting, intrusive, and rather anti-town. I guess we all have things to learn.

I shared what I thought of errant above. AJ is also a bit passive, doesn't push reads, simply states facts. I would love to have some pressure there. Firebringer was chosen for this team over shirk because shirk was aggressive but restrained. I would expect the aggressive scum in the passive party to be a bit more all out. Itlepip dits this because he's aggressive but a bit restrained and he's been pushing wagons. But I think I actually have a town read on him. Maybe the second strongest after you. Klingon would maybe fit this part because she does cause chaos, and I'd this was a thing, I think that the AJ vote on her was probably planned in daytalk. But I'm not too sure about this. Spifflop actually does fit this build, I think. He has built his game around being somewhat reckless and his reads just seem to match whatever he wants at the moment. Aneninen might actually be a part of this team. He never did respond to my question about participating in a lynch, and the chlotilde thing could be a ruse/excuse to get him by as a loon. Other Head needs to catch up and share thoughts. All of the people I've mentioned here with the exception of those in the aggressive/defensive persons section are in a decent place to start acting town if necessary.
What do you think of this? My reads on the first two teams

Also, Dapper, let's talk about Klingon. I thought she could be town most of the game, but her reads are atrocious. The reasoning behind them is sad. So. If I'm going to build a team around Klingon scum, who do I choose? Aneninen, with his unvote? Varsoon with his crumbing that leads Hansel and Gretel in circles? The problem is I can't really find too many scum buddies. I guess maybe spider Gwen. I would like to hear her thoughts, though. She's probably town. I feel weird about her, and I can't put my finger on why, but I think she's probably town.

Anyways. What do you think about these as well?

Spider Gwen we should chat when you get a chance about where you're at and stuff.
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Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:30 pm

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Still not enough for s town read. Null at best.

@Kling and @EP

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Shiro wrote:I will try to make alchemist case

He has been jumping from vote ti vote ti places that it will never matter

He asked Anen for a game link but never did anything with it or presented any findings

He said he was scumreading him, Gave some poor reasons then never pursued anything

He called out Anen as alignment changing role by saying he is masoniser(which would be so only if he was scum or maybe not even then I dunno) or cult which is something you don't really call out someone on being as town. Just iso him for that post it is for me the worst post in the game

Only engaged people that wouldn't really engage back like rnm.

And explained it all by hiding behind the I am not good at larges (Which might be true tbh but eh)


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Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:37 pm

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Are you a player in the game, now, shiro?

I'm literally falling asleep as I write thisx but I will talk to you plenty tomorrow given that I'm wrong about this:

I thought you were still discussing flavor etc. I guess maybe your alchemists vote meant you had read enough to take things seriously.

If you are part of the game now, I was wondering: what was going through your head when you decided to open with flavor claiming? What were your thoughts on people's reactions to that?
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Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:48 pm

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For fun ^_^ See I was planning to try and emulate James kirk but then realised I can't sooo yea It fell flat ^_^;

I didn't really see any off reactions to it though. Why, did you?

Btw I wish to add that alchemist is a common ground between both sides. If that isn't a good sign I do not know what else is
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Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:57 am

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Hello, dearies. I am exhausted from my old age combined with vigorous night life activities, thus, I cannot catch up on nearly 30 pages overnight. I am to this point:
Klingoncelt wrote:Your "case" on me was based entirely on an FoS, which I explained and changed to a real vote once that other game ended. Why has your read not changed when you no longer have a case?
Because, deary. Your explanation might be reason enough for you to claim the case is invalid, but I hold onto my belief you are sour anyway: your reason felt weak, and your content since then has done nothing to impress me.

Klingoncelt wrote:
Aunt Jemina
, Do you have any guesses who the Scum are on each wagon?
I would need a refresher on the composition of the wagons, since this old lady's memory is not what it used to be. However, very easily I could guess if I saw the names before my eyes.

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Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:14 am

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(Your name is in bold because I'm frustrated with you.)

No. That was only kind of what I was talking about. I think your reads are inexcusable. As is your lack of push. I am certainly frustrated with you. Perhaps you are more experienced than you appear.

Ep we need to talk. About several things. First of all, where are you going next in this game? What's your next move? I don't like the passive reaction stuff you've had going on for a bit. Is that just because you're catching up, or...? Because I think that is a bit scummy. As was your interest in the Elyse wagon around the time Klings wagon began picking up. I also don't like how you failed to engage me when I asked how you felt about wagonning someone I thought might be scum with you. However, I have seen some good sense come out of you. So talk to me. What's up?

Dapper. We need to talk. I like you and where you're at. I'm starting to think Passionate Storm is probably town, just frustrated and certain a certain someone should be lynched. Based on TAOs reaction (not the overreaction post, that was really rather scummy) and his reads, I think he's probably town as well. Elyse is probably town, too, but I can't truly read her right now. I think her posts are quite anti-town, but perhaps she means well. So that first team proposal was a bit of a wash, but they're still rather bullish and I don't feel comfortable trying to work with any of them right now. I actually would probably feel better if we just lynched the whole lot, (though I won't) their arrogance and overconfidence is distracting, intrusive, and rather anti-town. I guess we all have things to learn.

I shared what I thought of errant above. AJ is also a bit passive, doesn't push reads, simply states facts. I would love to have some pressure there. Firebringer was chosen for this team over shirk because shirk was aggressive but restrained. I would expect the aggressive scum in the passive party to be a bit more all out. Itlepip dits this because he's aggressive but a bit restrained and he's been pushing wagons. But I think I actually have a town read on him. Maybe the second strongest after you. Klingon would maybe fit this part because she does cause chaos, and I'd this was a thing, I think that the AJ vote on her was probably planned in daytalk. But I'm not too sure about this. Spifflop actually does fit this build, I think. He has built his game around being somewhat reckless and his reads just seem to match whatever he wants at the moment. Aneninen might actually be a part of this team. He never did respond to my question about participating in a lynch, and the chlotilde thing could be a ruse/excuse to get him by as a loon. Other Head needs to catch up and share thoughts. All of the people I've mentioned here with the exception of those in the aggressive/defensive persons section are in a decent place to start acting town if necessary.
What do you think of this? My reads on the first two teams

Also, Dapper, let's talk about Klingon. I thought she could be town most of the game, but her reads are atrocious. The reasoning behind them is sad. So. If I'm going to build a team around Klingon scum, who do I choose? Aneninen, with his unvote? Varsoon with his crumbing that leads Hansel and Gretel in circles? The problem is I can't really find too many scum buddies. I guess maybe spider Gwen. I would like to hear her thoughts, though. She's probably town. I feel weird about her, and I can't put my finger on why, but I think she's probably town.

Anyways. What do you think about these as well?

Spider Gwen we should chat when you get a chance about where you're at and stuff.

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Dapper. We need to talk. I like you and where you're at. I'm starting to think Passionate Storm is probably town, just frustrated and certain a certain someone should be lynched. Based on TAOs reaction (not the overreaction post, that was really rather scummy) and his reads, I think he's probably town as well. Elyse is probably town, too, but I can't truly read her right now. I think her posts are quite anti-town, but perhaps she means well. So that first team proposal was a bit of a wash, but they're still rather bullish and I don't feel comfortable trying to work with any of them right now. I actually would probably feel better if we just lynched the whole lot, (though I won't) their arrogance and overconfidence is distracting, intrusive, and rather anti-town. I guess we all have things to learn.

The Titus potion of PS is showing some of that one's scum meta. That one's truly a horse of a different color when she is being read. In most cases, reading that one is requiring a visit to Bizzarro World. If she's being helpful, is wanting to work with town, and is likeable- one better keep her on a very short leash. After he sleeps and is taking care of a few responsibilities a man is pointing out examples, with analysis of that which he speaks.

TSO is probably town, which is irking a man. That one is brilliant from late D3D4 on and is a valuable town asset who is winning games. Early however, he is tripping over his own feet and doing his best to get in the way of others during the part of the game where those ones are excelling. A man is thought on this quite a bit and is believing the cause of this to be that one's desire to make his early game as strong as his late. But, TSO keeps making the same kinds of choices with the same loud abrasion and expecting different results. Insanity. Because that one isn't having those skill he is running interference from scum with those who can. It's this action of doing scum's dirty work for them that is causing a man to want to lynch him early on. For almost half a game, that one is playing for scum even as town.

A man is still null on Elyse. Well, that's not true. He is seeing some scumminess in that one, but not enough to put her ahead of a few others. Leaning scum to null is where she is in a man's thoughts. If a man's top scum read is in fact flipping scum it is putting her in a better light.

As to Klingon- to what meaning is this one attributing to "atrocious"? The accuracy or the reasoning?

@TSO- because you are good in figuring out the game in late game where a man is not so bright, when you are catching scum buddying one of there scum mates at what stage in the game is that buddying most like to start and how is the dance which is bringing it about going down? Specifically scum on scum. A man is neither doing nor having done to him as scum. As town it is happening plenty, so much so because a man is once quite susceptible to it. A man must needs know to help with a read.
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Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:17 am

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That Klingon quote is a ghost. That post is she tended to just that one paragraph and for some reason the whole and the edit d are posting. A man is seeing that isn't going away and is trying to remember to preview every post before posting from here out.
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Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:18 am

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Ugh EE post.
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