You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[T S O]

What's your read on Eagle, Spiffeh?

[Elyse]

@TSO
I expected some justification for the vote or acknowledgement. Idk if someone said that to me I'd be angry and show them why they're wrong. Random just seems to be coasting by and shitty votes that he knows are shitty and doesn't care.

Interesting that Eagle jumps back on me after someone else votes there. He called me scum for something similar earlier in the game. I also thought he wasn't scumreading me that much anymore. Oh well guess he changed his reads completely again.

[Elyse]

And casting*

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@spider Gwen, wheere have you been?

[Alchemist21]

I have Townreads of varying strengths on Garmr, Peregrine, AJ, Elyse, Other Head, and Eagle.

Why were you townreading Peregrine?

His entrance at 710 gave me Town vibes.

[Dapper Stranger]

TSO

Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.

That's where post like this exchange are coming in

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch

someone

. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

But, for the while Klingon is getting a bit of a reprieve from as much suspicion this one is making himself to be fully into his cups with how he wanting squished Grapes:

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

And then, finally, a man is presenting this

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

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With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

Likewise Spifflop's play which is causing a man's scum read is making it impossible to consider Klingon may be scum as scum aren't throwing away a scummate because they FoS'd in RVS.

His interactions with Gwen are giving a man pause there as well as he isn't putting together how those are scum together. A man also hasn't put much effort into that as yet but is seeing if such ties exist later on. For now

VOTE: Spifflop

[Spider Gwen]

35 pages...

Yeah, not doing that tonight. Maybe tomorrow during my 2 hours of down time. Is anybody I want to talk to on? I think I really want to vote the stalled wagon now.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

35 pages...

Yeah, not doing that tonight. Maybe tomorrow during my 2 hours of down time. Is anybody I want to talk to on? I think I really want to vote the stalled wagon now.

Which one?
One has kind of rolled back and the other one has kind of rolled back.


By the way, is TSO intentionally misrepresenting cases a thing? Typically I assume it is something that is not alignment indicative but based in everyone's reaction to him, I assumed he was an excellent player who was careful and deliberate to make sure he had everything. Do you believe this to be a poor assumption on my part, or is the fact that he seems to be pretending to be dumb a sign of his alignment?

[Spider Gwen]

Which one?

Klingon has heavy duty stalled. That's with all the people calling her scum. Not a good sign.

By the way, is TSO intentionally misrepresenting cases a thing? Typically I assume it is something that is not alignment indicative but based in everyone's reaction to him, I assumed he was an excellent player who was careful and deliberate to make sure he had everything. Do you believe this to be a poor assumption on my part, or is the fact that he seems to be pretending to be dumb a sign of his alignment?

I've been kinda sorta fast reading, but I really haven't seen TSO misrep anything. Granted, I have been sorta skimming you, because you have no idea what you're talking about and it gets kinda tiring having to read that. I know what you've said. I just don't put much stock in it.

[Dapper Stranger]

What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

Just the fact this one is saying with conviction there are x factions is speaking volumes. Is this one somehow missing that fact?

[Spider Gwen]

Not to sound mean Eagle, but you have been mainly spitting out theories which have little to no bearing on the reality of mafia. I think you're town here. But you're not town I would stake any sort of trust in when it comes to finding scum. And given your inexperience I really don't think you have the right to be cocky about this. If so, whatever, but you're in for a rude awakening.

P-edit: And more of a reminder why Stranger is scum.

[Spider Gwen]

Unvote:
Vote: Klingon

Eagle's probably going to get butt hurt and go all crazy paranoid on me. I feel bad, but I don't really care.

(Almost alt slipped...)

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Unvote
Vote Klingon

Eagle's probably going to get butt hurt and go all crazy paranoid on me. I feel bad, but I don't really care.

(Almost alt slipped...)

Like I've said before. I'm ok with the Klingon wagon. Just not a fan of it myself.

[Dapper Stranger]

last post tonight

... kling ... Her completely fabricated reads, the ... meta on her by titus, her dodging of questions, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.

My reads are not fabricated. I ISO'd everyone and gave a very honest read. Titus is either lying or she's lying, my meta is not what she says it is. I scumread the scummy, simple as that.

You, Titus, and some others are trying way too hard to make a case that isn't there.

It's like watching republicans calling Muhammad Ali a radical Islamic.

This is over the line, even for scum. Don't care compare players to racist assholes.

A man is thinking this one is reaching for "separatist" since Muslims are coming in all colors.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Not to sound mean Eagle, but you have been mainly spitting out theories which have little to no bearing on the reality of mafia. I think you're town here. But you're not town I would stake any sort of trust in when it comes to finding scum. And given your inexperience I really don't think you have the right to be cocky about this. If so, whatever, but you're in for a rude awakening.

P-edit: And more of a reminder why Stranger is scum.

Dont worry, I'm nowhere near as cocky as I sound. But I have noticed, at least in this game, when I don't act cocky or arrogant, arrogant people try to manipulate me and talk about me like I'm a bug to be observed under a microscope. I'm not about to let that continue to happen, and because of this I'm not interested in giving TSO the respect he refused to give me.

If/when he's ready to not be shit head to dapper and a shit head to me I'm willing to work with him. I'm not answering his questions before then, especially since he's asking questions about a vote on Klingon that lasted a whole couple of hours. That or for some reason he thinks my vote is still on Klingon.

[Dapper Stranger]

TSO- are you math saavy?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I've been kinda sorta fast reading, but I really haven't seen TSO misrep anything. Granted, I have been sorta skimming you, because you have no idea what you're talking about and it gets kinda tiring having to read that. I know what you've said. I just don't put much stock in it.

I wasn't counting you actually reading it. Just his past. And I wasn't asking about this game. More about past experience. Hmm, ok.

He seems rather stuck on my "throw a bunch of names at a wall" post. Which is interesting. I don't think I like it. He also seems more obsessed with me as scum then he does seem actually reading me. But he also seems rather defensive about how I brought up that he jumps around a lot. Which, by the way, is in reference to how his catch up posts seem to skip things.

Also, for some reason I think he thinks I wanted Klingon dead. Or that my vote wasn't just for reactions, which should have been rather apparent, but I also believe I stated it somewhere. I know I at least stated that I did not really believe Klingon was scum here:

3. Yes. I one hundred percent can put it off on you when I voted her, and I did. You know why? Because both of you were WAY too confident she was scum. I was pretty confident she wasn't. She might be, but she probably wasn't. So no, I didn't flip my read on her. I've read her as null:town and null:scum alternating for a while now, but the vote on her did not reflect a desire to see her lynched. It was a reaction vote. I wanted to see what you would do.

As well as the reasons for my vote .

And anyone can read the thread and see that I never voted Klingon after that short fling.

I also don't like how he seems to manipulate me: you're a good player, but you play like trash that holds town back oh wait you won't respond to me because I'm being an arrogant jerk who won't read the thread? Oh. You're definitely a trash player then. I'm sorry I said you might be good. Correct me if I'm reading this wrong anyone.

And to dapper: your town game isn't as good as my town game and therefore my read a are always better than yours (at least implied) and my early game is better your reads are invalid.

[Klingoncelt]

Says one who is protecting scum as town to bitter defeat...

Oh, one of us is protecting scum and pushing town alright, but it sure isn't this old lady.

Yes it is.

I can't decide if this is a case of you being not infallible, or if you're Scum.

Your push on me for an act of kindness is ridiculous.

[Klingoncelt]

Unexpected V/LA for today because of medical reasons. Sorry!

Get well soon, Anen.

[Klingoncelt]

... Klingon's most recent pushes have been on weak players, lurkers, people who she knows are quite vulnerable. Pip, inte, that sort of thing. The pushes also suck ass, for what it's worth. This sort of horrible opportunism when close to death is not what Klingon-town would be doing.

Pip will flip Scum.

Inte, yeah, that's weak, but I get pissed off when the game's fairly intense and someone dicks it up with a prodge. Why sign up for a game that's gonna last until spring just to prod dodge?

[Klingoncelt]

Have you seen my scumgame before? I only remember 2 games with you (HU2 and Space Dandy) and I was Town in both. Is there a game I'm forgetting you were in?

Yes, but I'm too tired to look for it. I also observed quite a few games up until last April, good way to learn. And if I don't know a player very well I'll go to their profile page and ISO all their games.

[Spifflop]

finally done finals; just a little bit behind. will catch up in the AM, apologies.

[Klingoncelt]

Have you seen my scumgame before? I only remember 2 games with you (HU2 and Space Dandy) and I was Town in both. Is there a game I'm forgetting you were in?

Yes, but I'm too tired to look for it. I also observed quite a few games up until last April, good way to learn. And if I don't know a player very well I'll go to their profile page and ISO all their games.

And there were the games at Wake's forum.

[Klingoncelt]

Which one?

Klingon has heavy duty stalled. That's with all the people calling her scum. Not a good sign.

Not ALL of the people.

Some of them jumped on it simply to sheep AJ. And there's Scum on my wagon. I'm the low-hanging fruit here.

[Klingoncelt]

fixed:

Which one?

Klingon has heavy duty stalled. That's with all the people calling her scum. Not a good sign.

Not ALL of the people.

Some of them jumped on it simply to sheep AJ. And there's Scum on my wagon. I'm the low-hanging fruit here.